NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[Espeonage]

On the point of shitty questions.

Nero: Why you ask about Shiro in particular? Because it seems pretty shitty when you know I've got nothing. Like I could say how validating a vanity wagon on a not very talked about person is an issue, especially when there are other people that need to be talked about. But that is all gleaned from one post on this page.

[Espeonage]

@Nero: Not on my radar at the moment. I'll get to her when it's important.

@AboveTitus: That is based on the completely false premise that there is only one scumteam which I have already proven as false. Scum can 100% scumhunt this game, because they need to. #multiball

You have speculated that the game began when it did because the first scum confirmed. What makes you so certain of that? It could simply be that scum confirmed earlier and the necessary # of people confirmed, starting the game. For all we know, it could have started when it did because that's when our mod checked in.

What you have is a theory without any reason to believe (or disbelieve) it; however, you are acting as if you know for certain that this is multiball. There aren't a lot of ways to be as certain as you are acting, and nearly all of them involve positing you as part of a small scum team.

HELLO. MY NAME IS ESPE AND UNLIKE YOU I HAVE READ THE GAME. FUCKING HILARIOUS LEVELS OF IRONY. Fucking hell. Go read page one.

[Espeonage]

I am doing plenty of scumhunting thank you. I like how you couldn't back up one statement so you moved on to try something else.

I had a busy last couple weeks. Can you quote yourself scum hunting in thread please?

Ok what the actual fuck is this?

Hey Nero, can you please not answer, I want to see what happens.

Nero has already lied since he replaced in. He claims to be scum hunting ... I don't recall seeing him actually push anyone or even try to get someone talking. On the off chance I missed something, I asked him to quote himself so I could go read in context what he thinks is scumhunting.

Also ... you do realize it's rude to interrupt one player directly questioning another right?

Hello again friend. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Also, thanks for the notice, but I figured the rule didn't apply when the asker was asking shit that is so dumb it needs to be dealt with. Which constitutes scumhunting by the way, as it seems you have no idea how wide a term scumhunting is.

[Nero Cain]

Nero: Why you ask about Shiro in particular? Because it seems pretty shitty when you know I've got nothing. Like I could say how validating a vanity wagon on a not very talked about person is an issue, especially when there are other people that need to be talked about. But that is all gleaned from one post on this page.

Titus is impossible to read.

This is blatantly false. Titus is among the easier people to read. The only issue is that occasionally she is town when you read her as scum. But she is very easy to townread. To the point where scumreading her at any point should send alarm bells in everyone's head.

So I wanted to know if you were sum reading Shiro for this, if you were I was gonna call you on it.

[Espeonage]

I don't have enough sarcasm left for this. Someone needs to top me up.

[Espeonage]

Why would I scumread someone for not knowing how to read a person in particular? That's even more dumb than asking the question.

"Hi, I'm not the best at this game bt I'll get there."
"OMG YOU SCUM BC SHITTY"

I'm kinda offended.

[Titus]

@Espy, how is this confirmed multiball?

Why are you deflecting?

[Nero Cain]

that's kinda the whole fucking point of asking you...

[Espeonage]

@Espy, how is this confirmed multiball?

Why are you deflecting?

OMFG. IT IS MULTIBALL BECAUSE CONFIRMATION AND MATHS AND THE BASICS OF MODDING> BEEN OVER THIS A FEW TIMES> PLEASE READ> PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE WITH A NOOSE ON TOP.

And I'm not deflecting at all???? If anything I am jumping in the way of the metaphorical projectiles.

[Titus]

@Espy, how is this confirmed multiball?

Why are you deflecting?

OMFG. IT IS MULTIBALL BECAUSE CONFIRMATION AND MATHS AND THE BASICS OF MODDING> BEEN OVER THIS A FEW TIMES> PLEASE READ> PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE WITH A NOOSE ON TOP.

And I'm not deflecting at all???? If anything I am jumping in the way of the metaphorical projectiles.

Which numbers?

I see one death.

Quote posts.

[Nero Cain]

Titus are you town reading Drixx?

[Drixx]

This game is in pre-game. Setup will be randomized and role PMs going out shortly

Role PMs have been sent. The game will begin when 13/18 confirm by replying to their role PM with their role name and alignment or at 09:00AM USA East Coast time on Monday, November 30th. Whichever comes first.

At least 13 players have confirmed. Day 1 will begin now.

Where does it say anything about the alignment of the people confirming? Fro99er said the game would start when 13 of 18 had confirmed, or 9am on Nov. 30th ... whichever happened first.

So again, having gone and re-read the opening posts to make sure I didn't miss something ... where does it say what you claim?

[Espeonage]

I really should say thank you. You finally put to rest the question of if you are actually reading my posts.

7 pages is probs not in rvs zone.

btw just went and had a look bc this went from role pms to gamestart before I was online. And I am p sure there are at least 6 anti town slots, as per the unwritten modding rule that you never start a game unless there is at least one scum confirmed. And a third of the game being scum is p damn rough.

In case the last bit of that is hard to understand because apparently people can't read.

There are too many scum for a single scum team. This game is 100% multiball.

Which I might add is why my issues with Titus are so important. Multiball means that scumhunting is legit. From everyone. Which means that motives in actions is the way to catch scum. Can y'all stop being shits look at player mentalities please. Thanks.

So?

People picking same target. The death makes sense from any scum group tbh. Also there can be protections. Another golden rule of set up creation is make sure the game doesn't end too quickly. There must always be ways to curb kills in multiball. That's one of the things common in all the setup theory articles and is just common sense.

Look at the facts.

At least 6 scum.

That is the only fact because otherwise the game is farcical due to the ability for the game to be occuring with no scum. Basic priniciples.

So given that and given the size of the game, multiball is confirmed unless you want to suggest an incredibly strong slew of town power.

@Nero: Not on my radar at the moment. I'll get to her when it's important.

@AboveTitus: That is based on the completely false premise that there is only one scumteam which I have already proven as false. Scum can 100% scumhunt this game, because they need to. #multiball

You have speculated that the game began when it did because the first scum confirmed. What makes you so certain of that? It could simply be that scum confirmed earlier and the necessary # of people confirmed, starting the game. For all we know, it could have started when it did because that's when our mod checked in.

What you have is a theory without any reason to believe (or disbelieve) it; however, you are acting as if you know for certain that this is multiball. There aren't a lot of ways to be as certain as you are acting, and nearly all of them involve positing you as part of a small scum team.

HELLO. MY NAME IS ESPE AND UNLIKE YOU I HAVE READ THE GAME. FUCKING HILARIOUS LEVELS OF IRONY. Fucking hell. Go read page one.

[Espeonage]

DRIXX PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD READ. MAYBE YOU CAN BENEFIT FROM TITUS' NOT READING.

[Drixx]

All Fro99er said is "at least 13 people have confirmed" ... for all any of us know, maybe all 18 had confirmed.

So I am asking again. Please walk me through the series of assumptions you are making, and the reasons that support them. I don't see any way I can know how many scum are in the game.

I think I understand your premises:


Minor Premise: A game will not start without at least one scum confirming.
Major Premise: The number of players needed to confirm to start a game will be N+1 where N is the number of non scum slots.
Observation: The required number of players who needed to confirm was 13.

Conclusion: There are 12 town players and the remaining players are some mix of scum and neutral roles.


Assuming that is your logic ... there problem is with the first premise and if the first premise fails, so does the second ... which necessarily makes it impossible to say that the conclusion is sound. If the premises are sound, the conclusion necessarily follows from them (and the observation). The problem is that you say yourself that it's an "unwritten mod rule". You are making a very large assumption based upon an assumption you cannot rely upon.

[Titus]

Well Drixx you made Espy's ramblings sound semi coherent.

[Titus]

P.s. doubt it's multiball.

[Firebringer]

OMFG. IT IS MULTIBALL BECAUSE CONFIRMATION AND MATHS AND THE BASICS OF MODDING> BEEN OVER THIS A FEW TIMES> PLEASE READ> PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE WITH A NOOSE ON TOP.

And I'm not deflecting at all???? If anything I am jumping in the way of the metaphorical projectiles.

None of this confirms a multiball.

I never heard of this 'unspoken' rule. So I guess it truly is unspoken.

I am also doubting it being a multiball even though you keep saying it is.

[Dwlee99]

I m okay with a nero lynch.

[Frozen Angel]

sorry everyone. don't have time for my all games atm

prododge

[Aj The Epic]

Main issue with discussion of multiball right now is unless we have reason to suspect an interaction occurring that is justified by it, there's no reason to waste so much time discussing it. Yeah we can keep in mind this if we have a vig claim come through on a questionable shot flipping town but this really isn't an issue that effects the current state of the game.

The issue I have with Esp is primarily having pushed this theory but not having applied it in any way to this game.

[Titus]

Main issue with discussion of multiball right now is unless we have reason to suspect an interaction occurring that is justified by it, there's no reason to waste so much time discussing it. Yeah we can keep in mind this if we have a vig claim come through on a questionable shot flipping town but this really isn't an issue that effects the current state of the game.

The issue I have with Esp is primarily having pushed this theory but not having applied it in any way to this game.

AJ, for your own benefit, compare your D1 posts to D2.

Like this point.

Dwelee thoughts?

Can we lynch Dave and do Espy tomorrow?

[Dwlee99]

Dave pig and Nero, titus. I can dig it.

[Dwlee99]

Aldo espe is wrong about the confirming things because newbies start on 7/9 with two scum.

[Titus]

Dave pig and Nero, titus. I can dig it.

Huh?