You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[T S O]

An Alchemist scumflip would make me feel a lot better about this game. It would confirm Shiro as town, for one thing. If Alchemist doesn't flip scum, that entire counterwagon and Shiro in particular should be looked at with a cold eye.

[Shiro]

Then join me TSO

[Extrapolated Eagle]

-Can you quote, or point out, or make some sort of attempt at showing where I have been "jumping all over the place?" I think this is the fourth time I've asked, and you continue to disappoint.
-The way you're grouping scumteams is idiotic. This isn't me being arrogant or something, it's the truth. But we can simply wait until postgame for it to be shown up, so I digress.
-Do you actually believe Klingon is scum? Or is it some ill-founded attempt to further your scumread on PS? If it's the latter, please get the fuck off the wagon now.
-Why are you voting Klingon? I want specific reasons.
-Do you think that the way you continually attempt to pressure flip conversations is indicative of your alignment?
-In post #1514, you say that I'm unvoting Klingon because of her alignment, but it's not clear why. Can you expand on this scenario in detail? It seems like the best reason to scumread me you have, yet you're curiously reticent about it.
-If my arrogance is blinding me, then why are you currently sheeping my reads and voting Klingon?
-Is it difficult to reconcile your scumread of PS with your apparent scumread on Klingon?

No. But I will try to explain here: when you caught up with the game your thoughts did not make a good stream of consciousness, there were parts missing. Obviously you couldn't have gotten to everything. But it seemed a bit like you were trying to get where you wanted to. I looked over this again and this was most likely confbias.

No. I didn't have a scumread on Klingon at first. Sorry. Let me rephrase that. I thought that FOS was scummy as shit. But then a bunch of people jumped on her and I didn't like that. I thought the pressure on her was enough. And then the way Titus pressured her made me hate her wagon, which caused me to actively oppose it. My vote on the Klingon wagon was partially to see if anything interesting would happen when I got on. Aneninen getting off makes me look at him a little closer and make me think alchemists might have been town. But I felt really uncomfortable with that vote, so I took it off.

I did not feel at all comfortable with the Klingon vote. I'm not particularly sure what more you want in response to this.

I town read Klingon because of the reactions to her. I scumread Titus because of her reactions and the way she acts. I did still have a bit of a town read on Klingon originally but I hated the way she was pressured, it made me suspicious that she was town. If Titus flipped scum I would have strong town read Klingon. However. Titus could bus her. I wouldn't put that past Titus. I'm posses at Titus right now. I think she's either scum or an idiot and I find when I say that it's more commonly the former. However. Certain people have had certain massive flips in reads on me. So I'm starting to question if I gave someone a reason to suspect I'm scum and she's stuck on a singular post.

Excellent!

The angle you're pushing with Gwen/PS scum is wrong, by the way. You're letting your anger cloud your vision.

I know. Titus probably isn't scum. Maybe not sg. I still don't think they're scum together.

[T S O]

Scumteam is still something like Klingon/Dapper/Alch/grapes/{inte/TWIE, not both}. Eagle is an outside bet, and the next person after those who should be lynched.

An Alchemist scumflip makes Shiro very town, and makes Eagle look better. An Alchemist townflip all but confirms grapes as scum. You should definitely lynch Alchemist after Dapper. Hopefully, I'll be alive to push it myself, but in the event I'm not, precaution must be taken.

[T S O]

I feel a little unwell about the way Alchemist is so nonchalantly voting Dapper. It's a very atypical bus.

[T S O]

Though, aside from Alchemist, the Dapper wagon is definitely well constructed.

[T S O]

What the current situation feels like, if I had to guess, is that Dapper is struggling like a caught fish because his team aren't in a good enough position to pull this game off without him. So there's, again, at least one lurker on the team (grapes) and maybe a second (one of inte/TWIE).

[T S O]

The townreads on Aneninen, for one person, bother me a little - he's pushing a really poor angle on Gwen here. Anyone who's pushing PS/SG scum right now is scum or bad. I do not think Aneninen is a bad player.

[Dapper Stranger]

VOTE: Dapper Stranger

How did you know?

[Dapper Stranger]

Garmr, Spifflop is dead. Do you mean grapes?

That was his top scum read aside from Celt, wasn't it? But nobody looks at the dead...

[Dapper Stranger]

Scumteam is still something like Klingon/Dapper/Alch/grapes/{inte/TWIE, not both}. Eagle is an outside bet, and the next person after those who should be lynched.

An Alchemist scumflip makes Shiro very town, and makes Eagle look better. An Alchemist townflip all but confirms grapes as scum. You should definitely lynch Alchemist after Dapper. Hopefully, I'll be alive to push it myself, but in the event I'm not, precaution must be taken.

Then take the precaution now and reasses with Dapper confirmed town after flipping.

[T S O]

Town:

TSO
Elyse
Passionate Storm
Aunt Jemima
Shiro (if Alchemist flips scum) If Alch is town, bottom half of null.

Nulltown:

Spider Gwen
Varsoon
Errantparabola
randomidget
My Other Head Is Scum

Null:

PeregrineV
Extrapolated Eagle
I Am Innocent
Aneninen

Nullscum:

Alchemist21
{inte/TheWayItEnds}(one of the two)

Scum:

grapes
Dapper Stranger

[grapes]

An Alchemist scumflip makes Shiro very town, and makes Eagle look better. An Alchemist townflip all but confirms grapes as scum. You should definitely lynch Alchemist after Dapper. Hopefully, I'll be alive to push it myself, but in the event I'm not, precaution must be taken.

considering how late in the day his wagon cropped up, i don't think that's the best place to look for scum

unless you think there was even a small chance of anyone but klingon getting lynched yesterday, i don't think there was and after page 20 or so it was pretty clear what the consensus was gonna be

[T S O]

Scumteam is still something like Klingon/Dapper/Alch/grapes/{inte/TWIE, not both}. Eagle is an outside bet, and the next person after those who should be lynched.

An Alchemist scumflip makes Shiro very town, and makes Eagle look better. An Alchemist townflip all but confirms grapes as scum. You should definitely lynch Alchemist after Dapper. Hopefully, I'll be alive to push it myself, but in the event I'm not, precaution must be taken.

Amendment to this post. Before you lynch Eagle, you should probably lynch I Am Innocent. In the event of an Alchemist scumflip, definitely do that; if not, you should probably do it anyway.

[grapes]

gonna reread; probably just vcs and then comb over the votes of interest

im comfortable enough with the townblocks currently forming fwiw

[T S O]

The most controversial read there is probably randomidget as nulltown; I have a curious feeling about that one being correct.

[T S O]

An Alchemist scumflip makes Shiro very town, and makes Eagle look better. An Alchemist townflip all but confirms grapes as scum. You should definitely lynch Alchemist after Dapper. Hopefully, I'll be alive to push it myself, but in the event I'm not, precaution must be taken.

considering how late in the day his wagon cropped up, i don't think that's the best place to look for scum

So where do you think is the best place to look for scum?

What's your read on Dapper?

[Dapper Stranger]

Though, aside from Alchemist, the Dapper wagon is definitely well constructed.

You seriously need to open your mind to the fact that one of Titus/Gwen (if not both) are scum. Seriously. Don't give them a pass this early. Titus's other head slipped and then disappeared again when called out on it with Titus nipping at her heels to go back to their QT (interesting side note- Jason still uses QT while other mods use the PT systembased on YCBA3 and he didn't make topics for hydra and Titus mods games with PT so it's interesting she would have a QT)

Gwen- look at her ISO after I flip. It's really self explanatory.

[T S O]

I apologise for somewhat spamming the thread; I find that that just vomiting my thoughts allows me to be more coherent in my end product.

[grapes]

haven't looked in depth yet but im thinking a couple late bussers and/or people that lurked out the day on vanity wagons

i kinda thought dapper was town yesterday - thoughts were aligning with mine but considering how off ive been so far i don't really think that means much

[Dapper Stranger]

The townreads on Aneninen, for one person, bother me a little - he's pushing a really poor angle on Gwen here. Anyone who's pushing PS/SG scum right now is scum or bad. I do not think Aneninen is a bad player.

Or, and I know this is completely unrealistic, those of us reading them as such have info you don't and/or read words for what they mean instead of how well we agree with them or not.

[T S O]

Scumteam is still something like Klingon/Dapper/Alch/grapes/{inte/TWIE, not both}. Eagle is an outside bet, and the next person after those who should be lynched.

An Alchemist scumflip makes Shiro very town, and makes Eagle look better. An Alchemist townflip all but confirms grapes as scum. You should definitely lynch Alchemist after Dapper. Hopefully, I'll be alive to push it myself, but in the event I'm not, precaution must be taken.

Then take the precaution now and reasses with Dapper confirmed town after flipping.

Alchemist looks very scum; there's still definitely a lurker or two as scum; Eagle looks way better; Aneninen gets promoted; townreads such as PS become downgraded.

[T S O]

Your words would probably carry more weight with me if a) I didn't think you were scum, and b) you'd been right and I'd been wrong d1, Jaqen.

[T S O]

VOTE: Dapper Stranger

L-2, by my reckoning.

[Dapper Stranger]

Town:

TSO
Elyse
Passionate Storm
Aunt Jemima
Shiro (if Alchemist flips scum) If Alch is town, bottom half of null.

Nulltown:

Spider Gwen
Varsoon
Errantparabola
randomidget
My Other Head Is Scum

Null:

PeregrineV
Extrapolated Eagle
I Am Innocent
Aneninen

Nullscum:

Alchemist21
{inte/TheWayItEnds}(one of the two)

Scum:

grapes
Dapper Stranger

TSO

If you're town, you're being a real dick right now. Don't ignore me. You need to reevaluate before you die tonight in a world where I'm town.

Pedit- that's a really lazy read TSO. You'll need to answer for that I suppose.