You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[T S O]

Though #1484 points to one of {EE, random, PV} being scum, I guess. It's hard to do VCA when multiple people are just sitting in the bottom section every time.

[T S O]

Is there any hope of inte getting force-replaced or modkilled? I actively support an inte modkill.

[Passionate Storm]

TSO, in my opinion, scum are caught in a VCA just like scum are caught in mafia. Focus on identifying town and make sure you're not voting them. I get carried away in prosecuting scum but the best approach is identifying town.

The VCs on the last page are not colored because we are changing assumptions frequently. The first VCA I will do is assuming Alchemist is scum. Please show your methods on your VCA.

~Titus

[Varsoon]

Your question about grapes seems like a diversion; I prefer all grapes. I do not see what this has to do with the New Jedi Order, however.
Alchemist represents a disturbance in the force. That is my 'read'.

[T S O]

I think that identifying town is more difficult than usual here.

Perhaps it's just me being rusty after not playing for two months or so, but I am finding it quite difficult to distinguish between scum, like Klingon, and people playing in a very scummy way, like grapes, in this game.

[T S O]

If Alchemist flips scum, do you think a lurker should be removed next, Varsoon?

[Passionate Storm]

Your question about grapes seems like a diversion; I prefer all grapes. I do not see what this has to do with the New Jedi Order, however.
Alchemist represents a disturbance in the force. That is my 'read'.

Where do you think other disturbances are?

[TheWayItEnds]

I'm pretty upset about that grapes kill. I was hard town on grapes.

Tso what are you even talking about why was sg killed over you she's a hider.

[T S O]

I agree. It was a moment of mild paranoia.

[T S O]

Vote Alchemist?

[Passionate Storm]

I'm pretty upset about that grapes kill. I was hard town on grapes.

Tso what are you even talking about why was sg killed over you she's a hider.

Wrong question... How was SG killed over TSO?

SG cannot be directly targeted for kills. SG was a hider.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I don't know why you're confused, Titus. I'm pretty sure I made it clear that if you can't get over yourself then I'm not discussing anything with you. If this were a smaller game I'd take the time to point out the pages upon pages of bs you've so graciously released all over the thread like a pile of whale waste, but I don't have time to do that right now. But this game is a hundred and six pages long, and I don't have time or energy for that. So I'll leave it at that and simply ignore you until you realize your poor posting procedure and the attitude your responses reveal are far more hurtful to town than perhaps anything any other singular person has done at this point in the game.

[Elyse]

I'm shocked that Dapper was town. I really thought the whole cop thing with Titus and SG was basically a scumslip.

VOTE: Alchemist

I don't think Alchemist was targeted for a kill since grapes seems like a vig kill, so SG had to hide behind scum. Her last post makes it seem like she hid behind Alchemist. An Alchemist scumflip will put Shiro firmly in my townpile with TSO and Titus. Outside of that though, I'm having trouble townreading people. I think Varsoon is probably town and am confused as hell with Aneninen. I still think randomidget is scum and Garmr is leaning town with Aunt Jemina. Randomidget's fixation on Spider Gwen and avoidance of the Kling wagon until the end looks even worse now. Garmr has consistently shown new reasons to read people, like in 2290 and 2341 and I've liked his posts a lot. Aunt Jemina's hardbus on Kling gives her lots of townpoints. Of the lurkers, I think MOHIS is scummiest and TWIE seems the most town. In a recently finished game with Fire, he didn't really do anything to try to find scum and he was scum there. I'm seeing similar behavior here. TWIE seems very brash and doesn't give a fuck and that always makes me think someone is town. No fucking idea about PerV, IAI, and inte. Errant is someone who I always think of as probtown when I read his posts, but he could be easily slipping under the radar. He seems to be going with the flow and I expect him to have more pushes and weight in the discussion. EE is a tough one because Dapper town gets rid of my strongest reason for scumreading him. I don't want to lynch him today.

That's where I'm at right now.

[Passionate Storm]

Hardbus? Why would AJ's vote be a hard bus if she's town?

I agree with the rest of that. EE being an asshole because we lynched a game thrower is no excuse. If town, he should let me have it post game about how bad that lynch sucked. He's basically saying y'all are morons, let me sheep your wagon and ignore you. That doesn't make coherent sense from any poV.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You're ridiculous.

I'm not sheeping you. I voted before you. And I'm willing to work with TSO because he admitted he made a mistake and he's moving on with his life.

And if you think I'm being an asshole you should seriously go reread some of the stuff you said to dapper and me yesterday.

But my statement stands. Unless you are a complete suckered to a whole bunch of people in this game for no apparent reason, were still friends afterwards. I just think you need to go think to yourself and reconsider your play, your reads, your mindset, and your "town" bloc before you come back in and start trying to give a review on a silent film you watched blindfolded again.

[Shiro]

Vote:Alchemist

It is happening.

[Varsoon]

I'm quite surprised that I have lived this long.
I am a sensor (of the FORCE), but I was waiting for later in this conflict before tuning into my Force senses. I figured it'd be more effective; that's why I have been lying so low.
To tell the truth, I thought that yesterday was quite telling given interactions and those who perished in their attempts to restore order to the galaxy.

[Passionate Storm]

Oooh I sense big revelation coming. Need to finish VCA first. Regular too easy blah blah disclaimer.

@EE, I am not going to apologize for lynching a terrible town who was playing terribly whether by his own design or whether he's retconning to save his own ego.

You want me to reconsider someone in my town block? Make a case.

Pouting like a kid who is sad he didn't get the toy he wanted ain't gunna cut it.

Do you think I am confirmed town or not?

[Elyse]

Hardbus? Why would AJ's vote be a hard bus if she's town?

I agree with the rest of that. EE being an asshole because we lynched a game thrower is no excuse. If town, he should let me have it post game about how bad that lynch sucked. He's basically saying y'all are morons, let me sheep your wagon and ignore you. That doesn't make coherent sense from any poV.

I meant to say that her vote would have been a hardbus if she was scum. She jumped on Kling's first post and never got off.

Yeah EE is annoying as hell and super dramatic, but that's not alignment indicative. Like I said, he seemed defeated when the Jaqen wagon was going through and I was so confident we nailed two scum there. Now it's just is he being an scummy asshat or a townie asshat. His actions regarding Kling still make me lean to the former. He also could have been white knighting Jaqen because now he thinks he has clout over everyone else.

[Passionate Storm]

Spoiler: VCs uncolored

Official Vote Count

Extrapolated Eagle

(4): Garmr, I Am Innocent, itlepip, Elyse

Aneninen

(3): Passionate Storm, T S O, Alchemist21

Spider Gwen

(3): inte, randomidget, Dapper Stranger

Shiro

(2): My Other Head Is Scum, Varsoon

Klingoncelt

(2): Aunt Jemina, Aneninen

grapes

(2): Spider Gwen, Spifflop

Aunt Jemina

(1): PeregrineV

Elyse

(1): Extrapolated Eagle

Spifflop

(1): grapes

itlepip

(1): Errantparabola

Not Voting

(3): Klingoncelt, Shiro, TheWayItEnds

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(5): Aunt Jemina, Aneninen, Elyse, Passionate Storm, itlepip

grapes

(4): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, Shiro

Spider Gwen

(3): inte, randomidget, Dapper Stranger

Shiro

(2): My Other Head Is Scum, Varsoon

Aneninen

(2): T S O, Alchemist21

Passionate Storm

(1): Klingoncelt

Aunt Jemina

(1): PeregrineV

Extrapolated Eagle

(1): Garmr

Errantparabola

(1): I Am Innocent

Elyse

(1): Extrapolated Eagle

Spifflop

(1): grapes

Not Voting

(1): TheWayItEnds

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(6): Aunt Jemina, Aneninen, Passionate Storm, itlepip, Spifflop, Elyse

Extrapolated Eagle

(3): Garmr, T S O, Errantparabola

Spider Gwen

(3): inte, randomidget, Dapper Stranger

Passionate Storm

(2): Klingoncelt, Spider Gwen

Shiro

(2): My Other Head Is Scum, Varsoon

Elyse

(2): Extrapolated Eagle, PeregrineV

Varsoon

(1): Alchemist21

grapes

(1): Shiro

Errantparabola

(1): I Am Innocent

Spifflop

(1): grapes

Not Voting

(1): TheWayItEnds

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(7): Aunt Jemina, Aneninen, Passionate Storm, itlepip, Spifflop, Elyse, Varsoon

Spider Gwen

(3): inte, randomidget, Dapper Stranger

Passionate Storm

(2): Klingoncelt, Spider Gwen

Elyse

(2): Extrapolated Eagle, PeregrineV

Extrapolated Eagle

(2): Garmr, T S O

Shiro

(1): My Other Head Is Scum

Varsoon

(1): Alchemist21

grapes

(1): Shiro

Errantparabola

(1): I Am Innocent

Spifflop

(1): grapes

Not Voting

(2): Errantparabola, TheWayItEnds

V/LA (1) I Am Innocent (Monday)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(7): Aunt Jemina, Aneninen, Passionate Storm, itlepip, Spifflop, Elyse, Varsoon

Spifflop

(3): grapes, Dapper Stranger, Extrapolated Eagle

Passionate Storm

(2): Klingoncelt, Spider Gwen

Extrapolated Eagle

(2): Garmr, T S O

Shiro

(1): My Other Head Is Scum

Varsoon

(1): Alchemist21

grapes

(1): Shiro

Spider Gwen

(1): randomidget

Errantparabola

(1): I Am Innocent

Elyse

(1): PeregrineV

Not Voting

(3): inte, TheWayItEnds, Errantparabola

V/LA

(1) I Am Innocent (Monday)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(9): Aunt Jemina, Aneninen, Passionate Storm, itlepip, Spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, Varsoon, T S O

Spifflop

(5): grapes, Dapper Stranger, Extrapolated Eagle, randomidget, PeregrineV

Passionate Storm

(2): Spider Gwen, Alchemist21

Shiro

(1): My Other Head Is Scum

grapes

(1): Shiro

Errantparabola

(1): I Am Innocent

itlepip

(1): Klingoncelt

Not Voting

(3): inte, TheWayItEnds, Errantparabola

V/LA

(1): I am Innocent (Monday)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(10): Aunt Jemina, Aneninen, Passionate Storm, itlepip, Spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, Varsoon, T S O, Extrapolated Eagle

Spifflop

(4): grapes, Dapper Stranger, randomidget, PeregrineV

Passionate Storm

(2): Spider Gwen, Alchemist21

Shiro

(1): My Other Head Is Scum

grapes

(1): Shiro

Errantparabola

(1): I Am Innocent

itlepip

(1): Klingoncelt

Not Voting

(3): inte, TheWayItEnds, Errantparabola

V/LA

(1): I am Innocent (Monday)


With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(8): Passionate Storm, itlepip, Spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, T S O, Aunt Jemina, Spider Gwen

Alchemist21

(4): Shiro, Varsoon, Errantparabola, Extrapolated Eagle

Spifflop

(3): grapes, Dapper Stranger, PeregrineV

Passionate Storm

(1): Alchemist21

Shiro

(1): My Other Head Is Scum

Errantparabola

(1): I Am Innocent

Elyse

(1): randomidget

Not Voting

(4): inte, Klingoncelt, Aneninen, TheWayItEnds

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(10): Passionate Storm, itlepip, Spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, T S O, Aunt Jemina, Spider Gwen, Errantparabola, randomidget

Alchemist21

(5): Shiro, Varsoon, Extrapolated Eagle, Klingoncelt, Aneninen

Spifflop

(3): grapes, Dapper Stranger, PeregrineV

Passionate Storm

(1): Alchemist21

Shiro

(1): My Other Head Is Scum

Errantparabola

(1): I Am Innocent

Not Voting

(2): inte, TheWayItEnds

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(12): Passionate Storm, itlepip, Spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, T S O, Aunt Jemina, Spider Gwen, Errantparabola, randomidget, Dapper Stranger, Varsoon

Alchemist21

(5): Shiro, Extrapolated Eagle, Klingoncelt, Aneninen, grapes

Shiro

(1): My Other Head Is Scum

Passionate Storm

(1): Alchemist21

Errantparabola

(1): I Am Innocent

Spifflop

(1): PeregrineV

Not Voting

(2): inte, TheWayItEnds

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Klingoncelt was lynched as of Post #1957

[Passionate Storm]

God damn it. My analysis got eaten.

Tldr errant is likely scum if Alch is. Then PerV for his sole vote countering the person who started Klingon train (if AJ is proven bussing ignore this).

Shiro TSO elyse town.

After lynching Alch look into EE Random and inte. Both inte and random are not likely scum.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Alchemist
Crumbs of hiding behind alchemist pretty sure this slot is scum.

[Shiro]

My feelings right now

[Aneninen]

TWIE that last minute vote was crap. Like seriously. You seem pretty smart. Why did you follow two of the largest hot air balloons in the game to one of the towniest men in town?

Dum-de-dum-de-dum. I'm not sure whether it's normal from him but it was indeed strange. Also, he was not voting at the end of Day1.

How about that aneninen last minute leap off of the Klingon wagon?

Misreading her because of another game she was scum in.

My issue with this game is mainly that I have so many lurkers-slash-unknowns, like Varsoon/Anen, that I have no real way of sorting them with a reasonable level of accuracy.

Varsoon seems to be town, although his 2590 is a thing I don't get.
As for me, I can understand your concerns. However, you left out that I

was

am a proven liar.

I really shouldn't be alive, I rarely live past d2 as town in Larges. I'm wondering why Gwen was killed instead of me. It's possible I was left alive to push the Alch lynch, but Gwen also wanted the Alch lynch, so I'm not sure that really matters. Perhaps they simply knew I'd have protection.

Erm... weren't you asking for protection?

Spider Gwen was hiding behind Alchemist last night and wound up dead by mafia kill. This is significant because a hider cannot be attacked directly in most circumstances. This means that mafia killed alchemist or alchemist is scum and the mafia kill was interfered with. I am more inclined to believe the latter.

Is it a stupid thing to ask how do we know that piece of information?

The serial killer also had no kill last night. Grapes was a vig shot.

Hmm-hmm-a-hmm-hmm

Both are suspect. In particular, the former. I don't want this day to end until I speak with him.

Ask.

I think it's time for Aneninen to fullclaim.

Oh, TSO, give me some time, okay? I've just woken up and it takes some time to make up another lie.

Oh, Titus - I'm thinking that VCA on Klingon's lynch points strongly towards a guaranteed scum in {inte, IAI, TWIE}. Do you agree?

Depends on Alchemist flip.

^^
That.

Randomidget's fixation on Spider Gwen and avoidance of the Kling wagon until the end looks even worse now.

Nothing looks good, as for Randomidget.

I'm quite surprised that I have lived this long.
I am a sensor (of the FORCE), but I was waiting for later in this conflict before tuning into my Force senses. I figured it'd be more effective; that's why I have been lying so low.
To tell the truth, I thought that yesterday was quite telling given interactions and those who perished in their attempts to restore order to the galaxy.

Like it's written on the Wiki?

________

I'm willing to vote for Alchemist, but there are already 7 votes on him. If I did so, he'd be at L–1, and anyone could quickhammer him before we've talked everything out Today.

[Varsoon]

Yes, my sensitivity to the Force is no different from what you are familiar with, Anen.
I do feel some hesitance within myself; Alchemist is quickly gaining the ire of many on the council.
That said, perhaps this is just judgment meted to those who have it coming.