NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[Dwlee99]

So he's scum for fighting with a townie that he has a history of arguing with?

He tried to blame it on her though.

[Fro99er]

(expired on 2016-01-18 10:00:00)

(Mon Jan 18 @ 10:00:00 AM ET)

VOTECOUNT 4.01

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  Espeonage
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  Nosferatu
  — Frozen Angel, Dwlee99
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  Drixx
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  pignash
  — Firebringer
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  Firebringer
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  Shinobi
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  Frozen Angel
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  Shiro
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  Elyse
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  Heat
  — Shinobi, Shiro, Elyse, Nosferatu
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  Dwlee99
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[NOT VOTING]

— Espeonage, Drixx, pignash, Heat

With

11

alive

, it takes

6

votes

to lynch.

[Shinobi]

So he's scum for fighting with a townie that he has a history of arguing with?

He tried to blame it on her though.

It doesn't matter - by this logic Nero has never rolled town in any game he's ever played.

[Shinobi]

I made a rather large leap there but you get my point.

The key thing is this - the only way your case holds water is with meta backing it. You need to go out and prove the following:
Nero only fights with Titus as mafia.
Nero only blames Titus for fighting with him as mafia.
Nero can't have made any of those statements as town.

Can you go out and actually do these things?

[Dwlee99]

So trying to pusj a mjslyncj through by lying about what happened isnt scummy?

[Nosferatu]

Why are you pointing out your slot's scumminess, nos?

shinobi told me to look through it but I couldn't find anything so I asked him what I could've found from it?

I thought that Nero's jump on pignash was good.
Apparently I'm the only one.

I just don't know why he did it, so I can't be sure if he was reaction testing or actually thought she was scum

[Elyse]

I asked this before and never got an answer. Did Nero ever push Titus as scum for arguing with him?

I hate Nosferatu's entrance though and would lynch the slot based on that alone.

[Shinobi]

So trying to pusj a mjslyncj through by lying about what happened isnt scummy?

I think the issue you're raising wrt Nero/Titus fighting is disproportionate wrt how valuable that information actually is.

Why are you pointing out your slot's scumminess, nos?

shinobi told me to look through it but I couldn't find anything so I asked him what I could've found from it?

I thought that Nero's jump on pignash was good.
Apparently I'm the only one.

I just don't know why he did it, so I can't be sure if he was reaction testing or actually thought she was scum

Nero's major contributions, outside of fighting with Titus, were centered around pushing pignash - I can assure you that they weren't reaction tests.

[Shinobi]

I asked this before and never got an answer. Did Nero ever push Titus as scum for arguing with him?

I hate Nosferatu's entrance though and would lynch the slot based on that alone.

I don't think so but other people seem to think it. Maybe I'm wrong but I still don't think it matters.
I think we really should just stay the course and kill Heat today.

[Drixx]

I asked this before and never got an answer. Did Nero ever push Titus as scum for arguing with him?

I hate Nosferatu's entrance though and would lynch the slot based on that alone.

I don't think so but other people seem to think it. Maybe I'm wrong but I still don't think it matters.
I think we really should just stay the course and kill Heat today.

I can get on board with Heat today ... if you guys will go and read Nero and Titus together in ISO. Objectively speaking, Nero entered the game, predicted a fight, and then went on to attempt to instigate Titus into a fight from that point onward. Nero clearly initiated it and he was clearly trying to provoke her into one of her famous fights. If I have to, I'll quote him and bold and explain why the things he said were provocative and likely intended to instigate a fight.

The question is why Nero wanted to provoke a fight. Since he lied about it afterward, I don't believe he was trying to do it to figure out Titus' alignment. Titus is dead now and town. I think that makes Nero's entrance pretty damning, and it also makes the people trying to say his posts weren't provocative and that he wasn't trying to provoke a fight suspect, in my view.

Obviously, one of those people is confirmed town so I don't know what to make of that except to say that I'm quite willing to do spoiler wall of quotes and bold/underline the parts of Nero's posts I'm talking about, and summarize the order of events. Anyone trying to argue the point after that is either just being ridiculously stubborn, or has some ulterior motive to try and misrepresent how things happened.

[Shinobi]

I'm impressed at how efficiently Drixx killed this game by asking people to do stuff.

[Drixx]

I'm impressed at how efficiently Drixx killed this game by asking people to do stuff.

I wasn't aware I possessed this level of power. It's not even really a very lengthy exercise I asked people to engage in. The whole back and forth is like 20 posts, tops, and most (if not all) of them are short.

[Shiro]

Drixx tbh I agree that Nero slot is scum but Shinobi has a point heat can die first.

then we can lynch nos and depending on the flip we will get a pretty good idea on pig's slot

[Dwlee99]

The most damning evidence I have against the nos/nero slot is that they are not in the town block tbh. I'm all for the heat lynch if we decide to do that and it seems a bit safer.

[Drixx]

Drixx tbh I agree that Nero slot is scum but Shinobi has a point heat can die first.

then we can lynch nos and depending on the flip we will get a pretty good idea on pig's slot

I picked up a game during the Holiday Steam sale which seems like a really good analogy for how I approach and solve mafia games. It's called Hexcells. You can probably find a gameplay video of it easily. Basically the information I have leads me to believe that a player is scum. That player flipping gives me information about other slots and allows me to continue solving the game. Eventually there's enough information that you can solve the entire puzzle. It's a perfect analogue to how I approach mafia.

So like I said. I'm okay with Heat today because I can see some merit in it and will gain information from it, and I don't see anything redeeming or any reason to hesitate in Heat's ISO.

That said ... the piece of the puzzle I really want to know is Nero. Titus flipped town, so if Nero's slot flips scum as I expect, then I get to review who was trying to make me look scummy for pushing him for his entrance. His flip could inform us quite a lot about several other slots.

I used to try and figure the whole thing out all at once, but inevitably kills and flips would invalidate assumptions and I ended up putting way too much effort in. Now I focus on sorting people and figuring out who is most probably scum given what I know. I'm sure there's some middle ground that works for people. I'm working on getting there.

[Firebringer]

Fine we can lynch heat first.
VOTE: Heat

This game has slowed down so much.

[Heat]

aww that's L-1
VOTE: Heat
bye

[Frozen Angel]

scum confess!?

Intent to hammer

[Frozen Angel]

soon I guess ... If anyone has nothing to contribute

[Dwlee99]

I think they may have hammered themselves,, fa.

[Frozen Angel]

yep 6 votes : Shinobi , Shiro , Elyse , Nosferato , FB , Heat

it was the hammer

[Firebringer]

So I guess that confirms Heat as scum.

[Espeonage]

Also means a scum was off the wagon and likely to vote. You self hammer as scum to protect partners.

[Shiro]

Also means a scum was off the wagon and likely to vote. You self hammer as scum to protect partners.

yea, my thoughts exactly.

Makes me think either pig or nos

[Dwlee99]

Nos was on the wagob rhougb. Also scum from dofferent grous could hammer the other.