You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Randomnamechange]

Or if you confirm innocents and claim.

[TheWayItEnds]

oh yeah you're right, its useful if you only use it on people you're relatively sure are town.

thats way better than crumbing your hide.

[Errantparabola]

Since a MOHIS lynch unfortunately seems to not be happening, I would be fine with VOTE: random

Explain?

I'll go in depth later because I am on my phone right now.
But your reactive play reminds me somewhat of Kling's.

[T S O]

I think spider Gwen is town based off of anen's ability as she is alive. If that is the case my apologies for scumresding you yesterday gwen.

I propose we lynch in the pool of {Alchemist, random, grapes} today, seeing as that was Spifflop's pool of scum.

Spifflop said not to lynch me as I'd sort myself out over time...

I want to lynch either this or Stranger.

Scumreading random and DS.

I'm meh on him. Might change my mind on a bit of a read. I'm more interested on lynching Stranger/Random/Grapes.

Scumreading Random, DS and grapes.

I don't see why Eagle would be flipping tomorrow. Especially if you're town like you say. Sounds like you're going for an associative here. I'm kinda meh on Alch. Leaning town on Shiro. Varsoon is town. PV is worth looking into later. Not now. And Anen can be dealt with after I hear from the mod. But I don't think he's getting lynched.

And just to say it: Stormy is town. Hands off.

Shiro and Varsoon weren't targeted. PV and Anen were potential targets, but not the likeliest.

Stranger for sure. Talk to me tomorrow about Eagle.

Feel like this could be a crumb about hiding behind Eagle? But then again, maybe not. It's ambiguous if it is.

@Stormy: I think you're right on Eagle.

In reference to posts like this, where PS is calling EE scum. The linked post was PS's most recent post regarding EE before SG posted #2321, so it's really the only one you need to see, but you can dig back further if you feel like it.

@Stormy: I don't think Shiro is scum..

Shiro definitely wasn't targeted.

@Stormy: I think you're right on Eagle.

Good. More sudden omgusy opinion change.
Gwen: I'm not sure on eagle. I need more time. Let's dapper.
Eagle: I don't like how you two were on different teams yesterday but with almost nothing happening all of a sudden best friends fighting crime
Gwen: I was right all along. Eagle is defs. Scum.

Awesome.

It's called rereading.

Scumreading Eagle, though.

@SG, maybe we can reread alchemist tonight? Neither of my heads feels good about him, but at the same time too many obvious scum to work with Shiro.

Alch is not a priority for tonight.

I feel this post could be taken as an I'm-not-targeting-Alch-tonight crumb, but I admit it is ambiguous, and I'm only able to make this call because I know that SG didn't target Alch.

Any protective role needs to be on either Stormy or TSO. They will be the ones taking the game forward when I die.

Didn't hide behind PS/me.

@Stormy: A reread of Alch wouldn't hurt. I know I haven't gotten much from his play. You might be able to see things I can't.

This, again, seems more like a nullread in retrospect, rather than a scumread of Alch.

[T S O]

tl;dr for useful things from d4 - we at last know how Gwen died, and we know she hid behind either Eagle or random. Your vote elsewhere is useless.

[T S O]

TWIE - I don't know why you're being so stubborn about accepting that SG didn't hide behind Alchemist. The only thing supporting that theory are a bunch of extremely-dodgy looking posts where SG doesn't commit on a read, while you also need to believe that SG didn't submit an action (the likelihood of this is <0.1%) or that scum have some magical PR that somehow nullifies Hiders, while also shooting Gwen the same night.

On the other hand, if SG hid behind scum and scum also shot her, there's a very obvious path to her death. It requires no leaps of faith, no magical mystery roles. It's Occam's Razor in action. You can believe what you want, but unless you can come up with a coherent theory that disproves my assertion, I'll be forced to ignore you.

[T S O]

It's also possible that both EE and random are scum. I'm not saying I think it's any more likely than only one of them being scum, but there's no reason for them not to both be scum.

[T S O]

Currently waiting for Jason to answer my question and prove my theory correct - once that happens, I expect discussion topics today to change solely to random vs EE. I myself have yet to make up my mind, though I'm happy keeping my vote on EE.

[TheWayItEnds]

You can assume SG is incompetent if you want, but you'll excuse me for not joining you.

[TheWayItEnds]

especially if sprider gwen is who i think she is.

[T S O]

That literally has no relevance whatsoever to #3230. Thank you for your opinion, though.

[jasonT1981]

Official Vote Count

Extrapolated Eagle

(4): Garmr, Shiro, T S O, Passionate Storm

randomidget

(3): Varsoon, Aneninen,Errantparabola

Errantparabola

(2): Extrapolated Eagle, randomidget

I Am Innocent

(1): Elyse

Not Voting

(5): I Am Innocent, TheWayItEnds, ZZZX, My Other Head Is Scum,PeregrineV

Day 4 Deadline

(expired on 2016-01-19 14:09:44)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

If a Hider hides behind a Mafia, and the Mafia shoots the Hider, the Hider dies by Mafia kill?

They would do yes.

[TheWayItEnds]

@Stormy: A reread of Alch wouldn't hurt. I know I haven't gotten much from his play. You might be able to see things I can't.

TSO you literally cant make this post as your last post of the day and then not follow through on it as a hider.

hiders only work if people can figure out who you hid behind.

[TheWayItEnds]

so like if she hid behind someone else we might as well be blind guessing who it is.

on the other hand i dont care if you lynch random or EE so whatever.

[Errantparabola]

Jason, im voting random.

Fixed - Need caffeine

[T S O]

@Stormy: A reread of Alch wouldn't hurt. I know I haven't gotten much from his play. You might be able to see things I can't.

TSO you literally cant make this post as your last post of the day and then not follow through on it as a hider.

Firstly - you literally can. I can give you a perfectly plausible scenario why Gwen didn't blatantly crumb at the end of d2. But this isn't the key point. The key point here is that your insistence that she did hide behind Alch - and the only reason for it is that horribly ambiguous last post that happened to mention Alch in it - leads you to no conclusion at all. Your thought process is as follows: "Hmm, well SG definitely hid behind Alch, so how did she die if Alch was town? Hmm... ????". You have exhausted every line of inquiry - Roleblockers, Bus Drivers, Doctors and Jailkeepers, and

still

you cannot find a scenario that exists.

I don't really mind if I don't sway you, but this is an incredibly important detail which I have been pushing on for the entire of d4.

so like if she hid behind someone else we might as well be blind guessing who it is.

I've already explained why this

clearly isn't the case.

I'm not explaining again.

[Garmr]

To be honest I don't mind a random lynch either but eagle is more likely scum and today is the best day to lynch him before he starts killing off people who scum read him.

So What I have been trying to sort out is mohis

Day-1
he was opposed to the kling wagon calling her mislynch bait-fire
doesn't know how he feels about kling- vedith

When Klingon flips scum, I am lynching you next if you make no effort to sort her.

What do you mean by "Sort her"?
You mean defend and give reason to not lynching?



Nice trap attempt there Titus.

I haven't actually read yet so I don't know how I feel on Kling but for the time being I'll take my other heads opinion on it.

Plus the fact that you are pushing that we are defending a scum partner here (not the wording, but obvious you are saying that) is what concerns me. Considering you know both me and FB will throw a team mate under the bus.

I've got my eye on you Titus! And when I do read up you are my focus!

Also, no games on my main so I will make this my primary for now.

-Vedith

I really don't like the approach by vedith here it's like vedith knows what klings going to flip and distancing himself away from the lynch.


But after reading through most of his posts after those ones it sort of been low key with not that stands out. It worries me as It could be intentional because he lacks pressure on him.

[T S O]

Garmr - you agree with my explanation of Gwen's death, yeah?

[Randomnamechange]

That was awful tso. You cannot say for certain that she hid behind me or EE. We are the likely candidates sure, but based purely off of that you can't say we are the only people that lynch discussion should be about. You aren't in control of town. You are managing to do this more than Titus this game, which is an incredibly impressive feat.
3rd PEdit: Fucks sake let me post.

[Garmr]

Garmr - you agree with my explanation of Gwen's death, yeah?

I reckon she didn't hide.

[TheWayItEnds]

Any protective role needs to be on either Stormy or TSO. They will be the ones taking the game forward when I die.

Who should I look into on reread SG? I just keep getting mixed signals.

Any protective role needs to be on either Stormy or TSO. They will be the ones taking the game forward when I die.

Wut.

Totally on TSO or you. I totally planned on dying tonight.

I'm expendable in the long run. You are much more important to keeping town together and keeping the cogs turning. I'll add what I can but I don't want doc protection. The town bloc as a whole is more important.

Ok. 10-4.

Who should I focus on during my reread? I never got a clear answer.

@Stormy: A reread of Alch wouldn't hurt. I know I haven't gotten much from his play. You might be able to see things I can't.

no you're right TSO.

theres nothing that remotely suggests sg's hide. I actually have no idea why i keep thinking that she crumbed it.

And a competent player would certainly have no reason to NOT just hide behind whoever after clearly not leaving an obvious crumb and just let town waste a bunch of lynches guessing at who she chose.

[TheWayItEnds]

so like if she hid behind someone else we might as well be blind guessing who it is.

I've already explained why this

clearly isn't the case.

I'm not explaining again.

actually what you did is link a bunch of SG's posts and go oh i htink these were her reads at the time, dont mind that im skipping the only ones that matter.

which is slightly different

[TheWayItEnds]

dear garmr,

mohis is town.

cordially yours,

TWIE

[Aneninen]

I know it's terrible but you have to wait until tomorrow. Yet again, unexpected work.

[Randomnamechange]

dear garmr,

mohis is town.

cordially yours,

TWIE

I agree to the extent I'm not considering him as a compromise lynch.