Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[literallypam]

My secondary FOS is Rufus, because I think I do look extremely scummy right now, he seems to be playing the middle ground.

[kagesong]

You seem awfully confident about reads you claimed to have made after, what? 2 pages?

I'm assuming you still suspect me and literallypam...or should that be literallypam and I?

Actually, at the end of a sentence, it would be Literallypam and me.

[kagesong]

My secondary FOS is Rufus, because I think I do look extremely scummy right now, he seems to be playing the middle ground.

She says because scum would NEVER accuse other scum for the purpose of diverting attention from both people.

[literallypam]

I don't fully understand what you mean by that, could you explain? Sorry, I've played a few games on epicmafia, but the whole meta here and playstyle is super different.

[notachipmunk]

Wow I missed a lot of stuff over like 2 days.
So this may just be me, but I'm not sure whether Drixx as an IC is either really really good at this game in comparison to the rest of everyone and to assume what he says is true because of it, or if he's playing a very convincing lie.
literallypam and kagesong seem to draw a bit of attention to themselves.
So far Rufus is giving me a town vibe, as he does not seem to be getting overly and unnecessarily defensive which means for now I should get rid of that random RVS vote thingy I had on him.

UNVOTE: Rufus Delorian

Gonna read through everything more thoroughly before making a new vote.

I also need to learn how to quote multiple things at once so I'm not just throwing out random bits of info without quotes in future posts.

[Drixx]

Oh come on, I've answered all your questions, you just keep re-phrasing them.

They're 4 different questions;

How many people constitutes everyone?

Was your vote random or do you actually have a case?

It was random

If so, why did you vote Drixx?

Do posts 47 & 48 contradict each other?

This is the last time I answer:

It was because I saw other people voting him at first.

I'm more comfortable now that I think about it because a good player is more dangerous as mafia than useful as town.

That's a really bad thing to just think as a basic rule of thumb. Some players are great no matter town or scum. Some are far better as one alignment than the other. Since the odds over the long term mean that a player will play town 70-80% of the time, it's a very poor inexperienced player who doesn't work on his town game. I am exceptionally useful as town. If you doubt, I'll be happy to link you to a PT where a hydra partner and I produced 60,000 words of analysis as town in a game in order to put the town in position to guaranteed win. If not for another townie making a very bad play, we had the town at 100% chance to win at one point.

I could also link you to very good scum games by me. You shouldn't really assume I'm better at one or the other. You should read me in

THIS

game.

Wow I missed a lot of stuff over like 2 days.
So this may just be me, but I'm not sure whether Drixx as an IC is either really really good at this game in comparison to the rest of everyone and to assume what he says is true because of it, or if he's playing a very convincing lie.
literallypam and kagesong seem to draw a bit of attention to themselves.
So far Rufus is giving me a town vibe, as he does not seem to be getting overly and unnecessarily defensive which means for now I should get rid of that random RVS vote thingy I had on him.

UNVOTE: Rufus Delorian

Gonna read through everything more thoroughly before making a new vote.

I also need to learn how to quote multiple things at once so I'm not just throwing out random bits of info without quotes in future posts.

The only time you should assume I am telling the truth (as I understand it) is when I say something in my IC color. Anything else is me playing the game and the only way you could know my alignment is if you are scum. It therefore follows you should not treat me any differently than another player just because I'm the IC. The IC is simply a volunteer position to answer questions and try and help the game be more fun and engaging for newer players.

[notachipmunk]

The only time you should assume I am telling the truth (as I understand it) is when I say something in my IC color. Anything else is me playing the game and the only way you could know my alignment is if you are scum. It therefore follows you should not treat me any differently than another player just because I'm the IC. The IC is simply a volunteer position to answer questions and try and help the game be more fun and engaging for newer players.

So even that paragraph isn't to be trusted since it's not in IC color! ahhhh but anyway I get the gist of what you're saying.

[Reubus Swagrid]

My secondary FOS is Rufus, because I think I do look extremely scummy right now, he seems to be playing the middle ground.

She says because scum would NEVER accuse other scum for the purpose of diverting attention from both people.

Rufus is my current townread at the moment, he seems to be most actively calling out what he sees are scumtells.

Wait, secondary FOS is Rufus? Thought he was your biggest townread

[literallypam]

My secondary FOS is Rufus, because I think I do look extremely scummy right now, he seems to be playing the middle ground.

She says because scum would NEVER accuse other scum for the purpose of diverting attention from both people.

Rufus is my current townread at the moment, he seems to be most actively calling out what he sees are scumtells.

Wait, secondary FOS is Rufus? Thought he was your biggest townread

No, you're my townread. Rufus is my weak fos.

[Reubus Swagrid]

My secondary FOS is Rufus, because I think I do look extremely scummy right now, he seems to be playing the middle ground.

She says because scum would NEVER accuse other scum for the purpose of diverting attention from both people.

Rufus is my current townread at the moment, he seems to be most actively calling out what he sees are scumtells.

Wait, secondary FOS is Rufus? Thought he was your biggest townread

No, you're my townread. Rufus is my weak fos.

So 93

should

read Reubus?

[Reubus Swagrid]

The activity in this game is a joke

[kagesong]

The activity in this game is a joke

I agree. It seems like people are just confused, and I'm not really learning anything from it all.

[Rufus Delorian]

It does seem pretty slow, wasn't sure if that was standard here.

Is there a generally good method of getting things moving?

Not sure what else to say, I've already said my suspicions are Kagesong and to a lesser extent Literallypam and they both accept that they look scummy...not sure what to make of their reactions.

[Drixx]

It is very slow. I think the best thing we can do about it is re-read the 135 or so posts so far and ask questions about things that maybe didn't stick out the first time. Let's see if we can jump start this puppy.

[notachipmunk]

I don't like your first post either.
I don't think it was an innocent, random vote.
I think you're trying to pass by the radar undetected. You want the arrows pointing to other people (Drixx, me), but never to you.
You never gave me reason to trust you, quite the contrary.

First of all, I'm newbie at this game (my first mafia game), so it's possible I'm saying something stupid.
It's a bit suspicious how

intense

is your rage at me, if I end up dead, things will turn ugly for you (my innocence will be proven)!
Nice of you, putting a rope in your neck, so soon in the game.
Apparently I was right about you being an unstable individual. xD

I feel like guttsa got a bit defensive and also stopped posting after their interactions with kirroha were over. I get that they're totally new (as I am too) so that may be part of it, but they also tried a little too hard to point the finger back at kirroha.

VOTE: Guttsa

As far as how I see literallypam and kagesong as they both could be scummy, the fact that they know they're acting scummy and kinda putting targets on themselves is keeping me from pushing either too strongly either way (yet), but I don't think

both

are scum, just dunno which one to be more wary of.

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 1.2

literallypam (2):

Reubus Swagrid, Drixx

guttsa (2):

kirroha, notachipmunk

Rufus Delorian (1):

kagesong

hawkleader3 (1):

guttsa

Drixx (1):

literallypam

notachipmunk (1):

hawkleader3

kagesong (1):

Rufus Delorian

No Vote (0)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Tuesday, March 8, at 8:00 AM CST, which is in (expired on 2016-03-08 08:00:00).

Replacing guttsa and hawkleader3.

[Reubus Swagrid]

5 days, so as I see it my top 3 lynch candidates looks something like (in short):

litterallypam- no explanation needed, check muh ISO
guttsa- chipmunk makes a decent case but guttsa is inactive, so we can't really pursue that case much further
Rufus- this is mostly just for defending pam, I really have nothing else

Challenge or add to my reads guys, this is how mafia is played!

@Zaicon

Plz replace Hawkleader3

[notachipmunk]

@Reubus The bottom of Zaicon's post says both Hawkleader3 and guttsa are being replaced.

Which also means what I said about guttsa may or may not apply depending on the replacement.

I'm interpreting Rufus' posts as not trying too hard to fit in as town, and where he defends literallypam it seems more of an honest evaluation rather than jumping on an easy target, which in turn would knowingly make himself a target. It's kinda shady but also makes him seem less scummy.
Where it gets a little more complicated is that literallypam has Rufus as his "weak FOS." I'm not sure how that plays into things or if it does at all.

[Rufus Delorian]

I agree with notachipmunk, even though Kagesong and Literallypam both seem scummy to me, I doubt they're a team.

Guttsa's reaction to being accused did seem excessively defensive to me, I didn't get any sense of

intense rage

from Kirroha in the questioning so it was odd, Guttsa might have been having a bad day but I guess we won't find out if they're being replaced.

Drixx seems very focussed on Literallypam, same for Kirroha on Guttsa.


I went back over Kagesong's posts and I'm more convinced now:

43, 58, 61, 99, 127 for assuming some kind of tricky lies are afoot, seems like the mindset scum would be in
54 for enjoyment of Psychological warfare (seems scummy to me)

99 (again) working out nightkills, the others are more tone, this one seems more solid to me: from the previous posts, it's clear the Kagesong likes using this WIFOM reasoning...

If he's scum, he's putting out a name that he knows isn't going to get NKd, he's distracting attention and then he'll probably kill me and say "Why would I kill the guy who's pushing for my lynch? It's too obvious so it can't be me, besides, I already pointed out who the NK should logically be."

If he's town, why would he think scum want Guttsa dead? Guttsa didn't say anything of note other than a counter-accusation against Kirroha, the suggestion that scum should night kill Guttsa came out of nowhere.



Since I think Kagesong is scum, and a team with Literallypam is unlikely, I don't think Literallypam is scum, despite sounding scummy.

Guttsa case, other than the overreaction, seems weak to me, seriously go look at the ISO, 6 posts, 5 excluding the RQS reply: 1 questioning an IC lynch (apparently a common mistake among us newbies), 2 getting angry about getting accused (maybe scummy I agree), 1 giving a (are you thinking fraudulent?) explanation for the overreaction and 1 calling out a lurker.

I doubt Hawkleader is scum...don't know how things go in general here but I'd guess that scum newbies would be less likely to drop out than townies.

As a guess I'd say Kagesong is scummily teamed up with either Reubus or Drixx...can't say which.

[Reubus Swagrid]

@Reubus The bottom of Zaicon's post says both Hawkleader3 and guttsa are being replaced.

Lel I'm so blind

[Reubus Swagrid]

I wanna see literallypam flip tonight if I'm completely honest. It'll answer a few questions about who is sided with who ect. we all agree that pam out of all is most likely scum?? We have under 5 days to decide who we're gonna lynch, so lets weigh up our options and share what reads we have. Obviously we are gonna come up with a few null reads but that's better than nothing. Oh the drawbacks of a slow moving game such as this and 2 non noncontributing people being replaced this late in day 1.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Reubus Swagrid
Not going to read myself huehuehue.

Rufus Delorian
I'm not sure how I feel about Rufus just yet. I could conceive of a pam/rufus scumteam which seems the most likely scumteam to me but those thoughts don't have much weight considering there isn't much more than Rufus defending pam to be scumteam indicative. Very weak scumread because my paranoia points towards collusion.

notachipmunk
Nothing particularly screams scum out of the 8 posts, imma call this one nul.

Drixx
Follows my line of thinking on pam. Doesn't earn much towncred still. What do you think of Rufus btw Drixxy? Slight town read

kagesong
I love your ISO. I like your line of thinking and agree with your accusations. This is very similar to my Drixx read, slight town.

literallypam
I feel as though I have elaborated on this enough, my top scumread

kirroha
Has actually done some detective work in their ISO, would like to hear the analysis you've made from your observations

(Reads Please)

Slight town read.

guttsa
I felt as though guttsa genuinely wasn't mafiascum savy, I really don't have enough to make any accurate observations but their posting style did seem a little fishy. Nul

hawkleader3
2 non related posts. I'll put on my wizards hat and say

Null

Share your reads guys!

[kagesong]

ok, i need to know what ISO means. also, i am amused that I am being teamed with either Reubus or Drixx as scum, as they are my more confident town reads.

[kagesong]

Reubus
Well, read his on me, we seem to be thinking the same. I think if we're using the same logic, I can be comfortable that we're on the same side.

Chipmunk
Not suspicious other than trying to tag me.

Drixx
Not sure

Literallpam
seems pretty scummy as i've said. trying too hard to prove not scum

Rufus
Same as Literallypam

Kirroha
because of the detective work either town or REALLY good scum. probably town

[Drixx]

ok, i need to know what ISO means. also, i am amused that I am being teamed with either Reubus or

Drixx

as scum, as they are

my more confident town reads.

Emphasis added because of next quote.

If you look next to the post number of someone's post, there's a link in parenthesis that looks like this: (ISO). Clicking that link will let you view all the posts by a player. You can also use the menu at the bottom of the page to add up to three players to read isolated, which can be very helpful if you need to see interactions in context.

Reubus
Well, read his on me, we seem to be thinking the same. I think if we're using the same logic, I can be comfortable that we're on the same side.

Chipmunk
Not suspicious other than trying to tag me.

Drixx
Not sure

Literallpam
seems pretty scummy as i've said. trying too hard to prove not scum

Rufus
Same as Literallypam

Kirroha
because of the detective work either town or REALLY good scum. probably town

There's definitely something inconsistent in your thinking if you can make those two posts (I emphasized the part that changed for no apparent reason in the space of 4 minutes) so closely together. What's up with that?