Newbie 1681 - Game over!

[podoboq]

That feeling when you made a post with really good intentions and everything goes silent. I hope that didn't offend you Amihan.

Everything has been silent. Don't blame yourself. You're IC. You have a responsibility to foster a healthy game.

[Amihan]

The implication was only that I would feel guilty about second-guessing myself after coming so far with my correct NLR read. Nothing more. Again I'm sorry if I offended you because that's not my intention, but I'm sure you've been in that situation as town where you almost lynch scum, don't, and find out later on that things could have been so much better if you just changed one simple thing.

I also do not want to lose to any scum advocating a self-lynch. It is simply an unfun method of tackling the game and invokes way too WIFOM.

Right now I think you are... more likely town than not, and I think my assessment of your personality is such that you wouldn't be the kind of person to try and win a game doing that, especially as IC. If you are scum IC and did that, it's your choice to live with. Right now I just want pignash to claim and try his best to correct our course if he's town.

[Drixx]

As I said: I don't think you intended offense. I've definitely said my share of things on this site where I didn't intend to be offensive at all and people felt very hurt. Sometimes the outside perspective helps a lot. Please take that post totally as a genuine friendly "food for thought" kind of thing. I wasn't trying to tear you down at all. My job as IC is to try and help folks adjust to the site and have fun. You have been a challenge to figure out at times and you clearly are very skilled. You will make a huge asset to the site if you stay long term, and I sincerely hope you do.


As for how I play as scum:

If it will help, I can link you to my scum games in the newbie queue as well as my best scum game on site which was a super hard fought win. The latter is an 11.5k post thread so you may just want to read me in ISO. Ironically, for some reason I've only won as scum when I replaced into scum slots which were under some level of pressure. From memory my scum games since I joined the site are as follows:

Newbie: 2 wins (replaced in both times under pressure), 1 loss (Pignash was my partner and there's some similarities to his activity level here and in that game, but activity is almost universally NAI unless it's strategic, and there's no evidence that Pignash is lurking in this game strategically).

Other: 1 win (SMITE, replaced in on day 3 with the slot already having made a 3rd party claim and carried it to the win... super proud of that win), 2 loss (multi-ball, and I think I was killed by a PGO on the other team as I rolecopped them and the mod flavor for my death in my death PM was that just as I stumbled into finding that they were scum they shot me ... night 2 death) and (Was in the middle of making a play when day one ended super suddenly due to a mod kill and the SK killed me night one. I had been hard pushing a different slot as SK and clearly me looking for the SK drew fire... that SK had the scum team eliminated by day 4 and almost won in LYLO... was great SK play on his part).

Hydra: 1 loss. On our team we had one guy replace in (no daytalk) and literally put his head in the noose on day one. Day two our rolecop had been given code words to reveal his results to us (he never spoke in the scum chat either pre-game or during night one) and just never did so and also all but put his own head in the noose. Our final partner was pretty good but the town block was mad strong with masons that we didn't even suspect until we killed one of them. My hydra partner and I held it off for a bit but we eventually got PoEd. We actually intentionally made the least optimal kills possible so we could try and WiFoM. I can link you to it ... it was a pretty brutal beat down after the first two days featured suicidal members of the scum team appearing to intentionally get lynched.

I have also replaced out super early in a scum game due to very close deaths in my immediate family last year; I think that might actually count as a win, but I didn't really contribute to it.

I would be happy to link you to any or all of them. I have a ton of games on site so going through my topics might be overwhelming, if you just want to see my scum play.

[N e s s]

Prod dodge, I have one question for Amihan: Is there anyone in this DP you think should be lynched, because from what it looks like you don't seem to want any of us lynched.

[pignash]

I have been really busy at work. I'm sorry I haven't posted more. Reads:

Town: Amihan, SirCakez
Null: podo
Icky but moving toward null: Drixx
Scummiest: ness

[SirCakez]

When did I suddenly become a town read of yours?

[N e s s]

I have been really busy at work. I'm sorry I haven't posted more. Reads:

Town: Amihan, SirCakez
Null: podo
Icky but moving toward null: Drixx
Scummiest: ness

So i'm scum huh, for what reasoning, "fuck it"? no.

UNVOTE: Pignash since your here lets talk. Do you actually have anything about me besides saying "lol ness is scum".

[N e s s]

We're running out of time. I'm going to try and ISO everyone alive today and give my thoughts.

This never happened.

Today I don't think I can stomach a lynch on either Ness or SirCakez. Podoboq's play has been erratic and now that I know he isn't cop my strong townread there isn't so town anymore... It felt like he could have had a guilty on Drixx yesterday, it looked like that strong of a scumread, but today it's like he's ambivalent on Drixx.

pignash isn't preferred for a lynch today because I thought PVE's posts and pignash's early posts were town and because I think lilith could have jailkept either him or me.

Whenever I look at everyone else it keeps coming back to wanting to lynch Drixx more, and then I see Drixx's "lynch me" spiel and frustratingly it makes me want to do the opposite. At this point I can't even tell if it's because that's reading as town to me or if I just instinctively want to be contrary to Drixx.

Serious do you actually have anything against anyone? You look as if you don't want to lynch anyone.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #3.3:

pignash:

SirCakez, podoboq (2)

Drixx:

Amihan (1)

Not Voting:

pignash, Drixx, N e s s

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-03-09 21:25:00)

[Drixx]

No it didn't NESS. NyQuil happened that day (and the next).

[N e s s]

No it didn't NESS. NyQuil happened that day (and the next).

kek

*chirping noises as I wait for Pignash*

[N e s s]

*tumbleweed blows by*

[podoboq]

I have been really busy at work. I'm sorry I haven't posted more. Reads:

Town: Amihan, SirCakez
Null: podo
Icky but moving toward null: Drixx
Scummiest: ness

I'm waiting on any justification for any of these reads. Pig spent all yesterday saying that cakez and I were scummy because we were setting him up for a lynch today. Now Cakez is town all of a sudden. Why am I null? If pig doesn't explain these, how could we not lynch him?

[Amihan]

Prod dodge, I have one question for Amihan: Is there anyone in this DP you think should be lynched, because from what it looks like you don't seem to want any of us lynched.

There's nobody I specifically

want

lynched, but there are players I wouldn't mind lynching more than others: pignash and Drixx, and potentially podoboq. Yesterday I thought he was a cop and his attitude toward NLR's claim only strengthened that, but his play today has felt... off, to the point where him bussing NLR for such a bad claim and bad reception to that claim goes from "possible" to "believable". I can tell if I become more confident that his play later on indicates he's scum, it's going to be difficult to explain, so that what I'm most worried about.

Right now I can say I'm not going to consider lynching you (Ness) or SirCakez at all though. I've explained the former and it should be obvious, but SC's behavior toward the NLR claim and assumption that it'd flip town just... doesn't come from scum.

I was also unimpressed with pignash's post. It reads like scum unofficially giving up.

[podoboq]

Prod dodge, I have one question for Amihan: Is there anyone in this DP you think should be lynched, because from what it looks like you don't seem to want any of us lynched.

There's nobody I specifically

want

lynched, but there are players I wouldn't mind lynching more than others: pignash and Drixx, and potentially podoboq. Yesterday I thought he was a cop and his attitude toward NLR's claim only strengthened that, but his play today has felt... off, to the point where him bussing NLR for such a bad claim and bad reception to that claim goes from "possible" to "believable". I can tell if I become more confident that his play later on indicates he's scum, it's going to be difficult to explain, so that what I'm most worried about.

Are you saying that you might be OK with lynching me here because you imagine it would be difficult to argue for my lynch in the future? I'm not judging that play, I just want to know if I'm misunderstanding you.

As for the way I treated NLR yesterday, I have a problem with players who refuse to contribute. I held doubt that NLR could just be not playing enough (which is possible here with pig as well), but then with the obviously phony claim, that doubt was no longer justified. You say that I bussed NLR after bad reception, but everybody except for you seemed good to move off.

Spoiler: all of the posts between NLR claiming Drixx as target and me revoting him

Everyone needs to move votes to Pig or Drixx as soon as they get on. We have 12 hours to get a wagon going somewhere else.
P-Edit: Podo, Jailing doesn't leave a notification. So no one will be able to "confirm" it. But NLR should reveal who they jailed since if it's someone scummy, it might be whoever tried to make the kill.

I want to hear a claim if anything, NLR is close to lynch.

If he claims a PR will you believe him and go to Drixx? Because it's too late to afford scum an easy out.

It would be better to just lynch me at this point. Amihan clearly is saving me for tomorrow. Remember the slot Amihan replaced into and why it is scummy for reasons Amihan can never defend or explain away.

Please lynch me so scum doesn't get an easy win out of this game. Amihan is literally telegraphing a situation where NLR "unfortunately" flips town and then she'll say "but I just KNOW I'm right about Drixx" and GG.

Better to lynch me and at least town has a chance. We should never have been sidetracked from how scummy that slot was. Amihan has literally puppetmastered the game. She pushed me and Dewy as competing wagons (and when you see me flip town you'll know that for sure), and I foolishly took the bait.

Seriously. Please lynch me and confirm for everyone that I'm town so we have a chance.

Alright well if you think Amihan is scum then why don't you make a case on her instead. I mean seriously? I'm still fairly new to this game and asking people to lynch you is completely bogus if your town.

Umm... I made a case against Amihan's slot before Amihan replaced in, and have pointed out shady play by Amihan repeatedly since the replacement.

No, you've pretty much just misrepresented me, said I "have to be lynched before endgame" for weak obsolete reasons, and discredited me through a false portrayal as some sort of aggro Rambo-style player.

Of course I'm aware of how bad I'll look if NLR flips town. But NLR is not flipping town so the point is moot.

I'm just going to go with the latter, but i'm personally not that convinced he's scum right now. If theres something I see deemed worthy of lynching him, then sure i'll do it.

We are not lynching a claimed Jailkeeper unless there is a CC. Period.

REAL PR DO NOT CLAIM. THAT WAS A SCUM CLAIM FROM NLR. IF THEY WERE REALLY TOWN THEY WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY CLAIMED WHO THEY TARGETED, SEEING AS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING THEIR ACTION COULD HAVE CAUSED THE NO-KILL LAST NIGHT.

Why would not saying who they jailed be a scum claim?

Drixx has a higher chance of being scum now with that jail target.

Your play toward Drixx this day has NOT been the play of a jailkeeper interested in a player who they could have caused a no-kill by targeting.

There's also no way Drixx was either one of town being targeted for a kill, or the scum who chose to make the kill. A scum team wouldn't risk having Drixx perform the kill after his hammer.

Why is everyone unvoting? This is ridiculous, of course scum in this situation will try to claim a PR to draw the real one out.

If someone CCs, then we hammer NLR and we get a free scum lynch. Otherwise there is absolutely no reason to take the risk.

Drixx is a terrible jailer target. If he's town, you aren't protecting him, because he's so suspicious nobody will attack him. If he's scum, he won't perform the kill.

VOTE: NLR

As for you reading me as a cop, I have something I should confess. At the end of the last day phase, I was honestly trying to fake being a pr.

For what it matters, if my role conflicted with NLR's role here, I would not counterclaim,

because this lynch is obvious to me, and it is not worth getting an actual PR killed in order to confirm that NLR is scum.

Also, just to be clear,

THIS IS NOT A COUNTERCLAIM

.

I was hoping this would be read as "wink wink nudge nudge, I'm actually the cop, I KNOW that NLR is lying." I was hoping scum would kill me in the night, and that the pr would survive. I was even expecting to die, and posted some last words in case I did.

Spoiler: it's a tall post

In case I die tonight scum reads from most scum to least:

Pignash
Ness
lilith
SirCakez
Drixx
Amihan

On the unlikely chance that I die and NLR flips town:

Amihan
Drixx
..
...
....
.....
......these two players are my highest scum reads
.....
....
...
..
.
pignash
lilith
Ness
cakez

Why exactly are you scum reading me?

I don't know how much time I have to put the readslist together, and it's mostly informed by how we're treating the NLR lynch here and what it says about Drixx. If I survive, I'll have more time to elaborate and reconsider, but if I should go down, these are my last words on it.

Note that if NLR somehow flips town, that obviously changes the reads a lot.

I don't know if faking being the pr is something that town normally does here, because this is my first game on mafiascum, but I was confident that it was the right play to make. It has the benefit of protecting the actual pr if scum believes me, and has the benefit of convincing town that we are right to move forward with the lynch if town believes me.

I just felt that since we're moving toward the end of the day soonish here, I should bring this up. Plus, it's been super quiet lately, and I'd like for some discussion to be happening. You were probably reading me as cop last day phase because I was intentionally pretending to be the cop after NLR claimed.

[N e s s]

So fakeclaiming as a cop when you're a townie.

thats stupid, just going to say that right now. Don't ever do this again.

[Amihan]

Are you saying that you might be OK with lynching me here because you imagine it would be difficult to argue for my lynch in the future? I'm not judging that play, I just want to know if I'm misunderstanding you.

No. I'm saying that I'm significantly more suspicious of you now than I was yesterday, but that it's a read that'll be hard to put into words should my scumreads on Drixx and/or pignash fizzle out due to very late but strong town-telling. Which has been known to happen before...

[podoboq]

So fakeclaiming as a cop when you're a townie.

thats stupid, just going to say that right now. Don't ever do this again.

I didn't claim. I definitely wasn't going to just out-and-out lie about being cop. But if scum started to suspect I was, then the town benefits.

[Amihan]

So fakeclaiming as a cop when you're a townie.

thats stupid, just going to say that right now. Don't ever do this again.

For the record, I also tried to make it look like I was a PR in order to bait a kill. It's only a smart move to try and muddle the waters in a situation like that where you want to keep PRs alive. In hindsight, knowing that scum probably tried to kill me night 1, it was likely they wouldn't have targeted me either way in case I was protected by Doctor or Jailkeeper again.

There's a major difference between outright fakeclaiming a power role and causing the real one to counterclaim, and dropping subtle red herrings that only scum have an absolute need to be looking for anyway. And with NLR's Jailkeeper claim at L-1 already out there, there was no harm to be had in what either of us did.

[SirCakez]

No I think what Podo was doing was smart. It looked like he was trying to bait out the kill in a sneaky way scum would notice but town wouldn't dig into.

[podoboq]

On a different topic, where do we stand on pignash's responses? He was put at L-1 four days ago, and I haven't definitely not seen enough to justify turning away from this lynch.

[Drixx]

Not much time left to make a decision. A rushed decision at the end of the day is only beneficial to scum.

[SirCakez]

Pig is due for another prod *sighs*

[podoboq]

Not much time left to make a decision. A rushed decision at the end of the day is only beneficial to scum.

Right. pignash is also 49 hours gone, and overdue for his third prod. Whether or not he's scum, his lack of activity is contributing to us making a rushed decision at the end of the day. Ness unvoted because he wanted to wait for more commentary, and none has come.

[Amihan]

I would lynch pig. A bulletproof in his situation would have claimed by now.