Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[FrogSC2]

Something to think about.

If I were scum, I would have NEVER killed Panther. We mindmeld easily. I would have pocketed a strong voice.

[notachipmunk]

Something to think about.

If I were scum, I would have NEVER killed Panther. We mindmeld easily. I would have pocketed a strong voice.

This part actually makes less sense to me than the rest of what you've said =p
If the two of you mindmeld wouldn't you want him gone if you were scum because he would figure you out?
Though he did not seem suspicious of you from what he did post.

[kagesong]

Anyway I see your point.

Forget that I hammered Pam entirely. Forget it. Getting the Pam lynch yesterday was scummy as fuck.

Forget that I've been pushing for more engagement from other players. Lurking is pro-town anyway.

Forget that I'm pushing against voting Rufus who would be next in the POE. We should probably lynch that uncounterclaimed jailkeeper anyway. I'm so scum for defending him again Reubus + you lot still scum reading him because logic and all. Logic is scummy.

That whole POE thing I did D1, shouldn't have done that. It clearly helps scum when we identify scum potential and lynch in that group no matter what.

That whole strategy about guaranteeing a Town win 100% of the time I developed D2- That was so scummy. Obviously scum love losing, which is why I developed such a plan as scum, so I could lose.

Even though I'm mechanically cleared after I was jailkept last night and a kill went through - clearly there must be some sort of error and I'm the scum. You shouldn't at minimum soft clear me as town. That should make me hard scum if anything!

-_-

Seriously, I'm never, ever, ever a vote.

And if anyone can verbalize how in any world I would ever be lynched, I'd love to hear it, I'll gladly self-hammer and just peace.

literally, my reason is that you're pushing SO hard to prove that you could NEVER be voted for POE when any one else could, even if there cleared town, just for the sake of getting reactions. The fact that you COMPLETELY try to force people to believe that there is ZERO reason that you could be involved in POE is SUPER scummy. I've already pointed out several POEs that involve you as a vote, town or not. The main one being. THERE IS NO JK or Rufus is otherwise lying. Let's keep in mind YOU COUNTERCLAIMED. Taking that back now? SUPER SCUMMY. I can't see town false claiming a counter. It makes no sense.

[kagesong]

Something to think about.

If I were scum, I would have NEVER killed Panther. We mindmeld easily. I would have pocketed a strong voice.

This part actually makes less sense to me than the rest of what you've said =p
If the two of you mindmeld wouldn't you want him gone if you were scum because he would figure you out?
Though he did not seem suspicious of you from what he did post.

More to the point. Why should we consider a hypothetical quasi-metaphysical claim about your generally interaction with another player, which has nothing at all to do with our own experience? Why do we give a damn?

[Drixx]

Roleblocker exists 50% of the time when a Jailkeeper does. Roleblock resolves before Jailkeeper. On this site final scum are generally allowed to use both their ability and factional kill.

Therefore you are not logically cleared, FrogSC2. Making derisive statements about how terrible everyone else is and how stupid we are and how you're leaving the site because we're too stupid to realize you are cleared ... when you are actually

not

logically cleared. That just makes you look like you're having a tantrum: especially when you're swearing you're town while at the same time talking about self voting.

[Drixx]

Something to think about.

If I were scum, I would have NEVER killed Panther. We mindmeld easily. I would have pocketed a strong voice.

But I totally would have just led the charge and refused to take the gift wrapped opportunity you offered me to go elsewhere with the lynch and bused my partner on day one, right? (That is what you suggested earlier this day phase... just applying your own logic to you).

[PhantomCobalt]

I really don't like frogs flailing
VOTE: frog

[Rufus Delorian]

I'll say Frog does seem a bit scummy to me.

However, if we don't have a bulletproof townie, he

is

cleared. I jailed him & there was still a NK.

I claimed Jailkeeper D1, if I was lying, there'd be another Jailkeeper, a Doctor, a Tracker, or a Cop, they'd have claimed, revealed me as scum and won the game.

Pretty sure everyone's posted since then & would have had the whole night to work out the easy way to win.

Other than Frog, only person I could be suspicious of is PhantomCobalt, just because everyone else seems towny to me and Phantom & Kirroha haven't said much

[FrogSC2]

I'm most likely never coming back to this site after my mislynch.

[FrogSC2]

I really don't like frogs flailing
VOTE: frog

You just put me at L-1.

Should I self hammer? Quick poll in the next hour.

[FrogSC2]

Something to think about.

If I were scum, I would have NEVER killed Panther. We mindmeld easily. I would have pocketed a strong voice.

This part actually makes less sense to me than the rest of what you've said =p
If the two of you mindmeld wouldn't you want him gone if you were scum because he would figure you out?
Though he did not seem suspicious of you from what he did post.

Because I'd pocket a like-minded player and lead play if I were scum.

[FrogSC2]

Anyway I see your point.

Forget that I hammered Pam entirely. Forget it. Getting the Pam lynch yesterday was scummy as fuck.

Forget that I've been pushing for more engagement from other players. Lurking is pro-town anyway.

Forget that I'm pushing against voting Rufus who would be next in the POE. We should probably lynch that uncounterclaimed jailkeeper anyway. I'm so scum for defending him again Reubus + you lot still scum reading him because logic and all. Logic is scummy.

That whole POE thing I did D1, shouldn't have done that. It clearly helps scum when we identify scum potential and lynch in that group no matter what.

That whole strategy about guaranteeing a Town win 100% of the time I developed D2- That was so scummy. Obviously scum love losing, which is why I developed such a plan as scum, so I could lose.

Even though I'm mechanically cleared after I was jailkept last night and a kill went through - clearly there must be some sort of error and I'm the scum. You shouldn't at minimum soft clear me as town. That should make me hard scum if anything!

-_-

Seriously, I'm never, ever, ever a vote.

And if anyone can verbalize how in any world I would ever be lynched, I'd love to hear it, I'll gladly self-hammer and just peace.

literally, my reason is that you're pushing SO hard to prove that you could NEVER be voted for POE when any one else could, even if there cleared town, just for the sake of getting reactions. The fact that you COMPLETELY try to force people to believe that there is ZERO reason that you could be involved in POE is SUPER scummy. I've already pointed out several POEs that involve you as a vote, town or not. The main one being. THERE IS NO JK or Rufus is otherwise lying. Let's keep in mind YOU COUNTERCLAIMED. Taking that back now? SUPER SCUMMY. I can't see town false claiming a counter. It makes no sense.

Your play is bad. Take a deep breath and reread my logical arguments.

[FrogSC2]

Something to think about.

If I were scum, I would have NEVER killed Panther. We mindmeld easily. I would have pocketed a strong voice.

But I totally would have just led the charge and refused to take the gift wrapped opportunity you offered me to go elsewhere with the lynch and bused my partner on day one, right? (That is what you suggested earlier this day phase... just applying your own logic to you).

You still aren't even acknowledging the strategy of bussing to the actual newbies. I don't like your play. If you're town, I really don't like your play.

Roleblocker exists 50% of the time when a Jailkeeper does. Roleblock resolves before Jailkeeper. On this site final scum are generally allowed to use both their ability and factional kill.

Therefore you are not logically cleared, FrogSC2. Making derisive statements about how terrible everyone else is and how stupid we are and how you're leaving the site because we're too stupid to realize you are cleared ... when you are actually

not

logically cleared. That just makes you look like you're having a tantrum: especially when you're swearing you're town while at the same time talking about self voting.

Drixx. Your play is terrible. Your play is stupid. I'm not calling you stupid. That would be in poor sport. Although your tacked on accusations are well noted, but unsubstantiated.

The only thing you decided to talk about was how I'm not hard cleared? I agreed. Which is why I said I'm soft cleared.

Your limited engagement and topics is boresome and your tunnel vision does not mesh well with me. Feel free to mislynch me, if you're town, take a look in the mirror and reconsider your playstyle.

[FrogSC2]

I'll say Frog does seem a bit scummy to me.

However, if we don't have a bulletproof townie, he

is

cleared. I jailed him & there was still a NK.

I claimed Jailkeeper D1, if I was lying, there'd be another Jailkeeper, a Doctor, a Tracker, or a Cop, they'd have claimed, revealed me as scum and won the game.

Pretty sure everyone's posted since then & would have had the whole night to work out the easy way to win.

Other than Frog, only person I could be suspicious of is PhantomCobalt, just because everyone else seems towny to me and Phantom & Kirroha haven't said much

I'm literally the only one pointing out how you're a cleared Town. And yet somehow you still have votes? WTF? And I still have your vote??? Waaaat? And there's a world where I'm hard cleared BY you???? And I'm still the preferred lynch today?

Yeah, this play is literally killing me. (*Dies*)

[Drixx]

First: you shouldn't self-vote no matter what. It isn't playing to your win condition no matter your alignment at this point.

Second: you probably shouldn't judge the value of this site based upon one game on the Road to Rome. There's a wide variety of game types available, and I suspect it won't take you long to find people who prefer to play as you do. Wherever you come from (you haven't said, that I recall) seems to have a very mechanical approach. It's almost like a hill building algorithm the way you approach the game. And there's nothing wrong with that. Assuming that no BP comes forward, you are mechanically cleared and you've outlined a series of steps that leads to a town auto win condition. That's a fairly sound methodology.

Third: you should stick around just to learn about the equally sound and effective methods that you don't seem to currently view as valid or sound. In my time here I've seen all sorts of things which I initially viewed with disdain and skepticism work consistently. There's more to this game than just the mechanical bits. Some people have become really good at that "more".


P-Edit: So here I am extending an olive branch and I get called terrible and stupid and boring. Never mind that I found and ensured scum lynch on day one. My play is stupid and terrible and boring. *sigh* - Variety is the spice of life my friend. We're not all the same. That's a good thing.

[FrogSC2]

Anyway, feel free to hammer at any point. I'm the most obvious villager bar none.

If it brings you joy to mislynch me instead of solving the game, whatever makes you happy.

This site is really weird.

[FrogSC2]

First: you shouldn't self-vote no matter what. It isn't playing to your win condition no matter your alignment at this point.

Second: you probably shouldn't judge the value of this site based upon one game on the Road to Rome. There's a wide variety of game types available, and I suspect it won't take you long to find people who prefer to play as you do. Wherever you come from (you haven't said, that I recall) seems to have a very mechanical approach. It's almost like a hill building algorithm the way you approach the game. And there's nothing wrong with that. Assuming that no BP comes forward, you are mechanically cleared and you've outlined a series of steps that leads to a town auto win condition. That's a fairly sound methodology.

Third: you should stick around just to learn about the equally sound and effective methods that you don't seem to currently view as valid or sound. In my time here I've seen all sorts of things which I initially viewed with disdain and skepticism work consistently. There's more to this game than just the mechanical bits. Some people have become really good at that "more".


P-Edit: So here I am extending an olive branch and I get called terrible and stupid and boring. Never mind that I found and ensured scum lynch on day one. My play is stupid and terrible and boring. *sigh* - Variety is the spice of life my friend. We're not all the same. That's a good thing.

I'm raging Drixx. Thanks for calming me down. I'm having a hard time acclimating.

[Rufus Delorian]

I doubt you're going to get quickhammered, PhantomCobalt's the only other person I think could be scum and he's already voted for you.

You're right though, you're 50% hard cleared from my POV, would be a bit rushed if you get lynched now.

UNVOTE:

[FrogSC2]

I thought it was against the rules to mention other sites?

[FrogSC2]

I thought it was against the rules to mention other sites?

I'm assuming it's not then

I've played for years over on SC2Mafia, and now I'm pretty settled in over at MU.

I wanted to give this site, PerC, and 2+2 a shot since I know plenty of players around.

[FrogSC2]

I doubt you're going to get quickhammered, PhantomCobalt's the only other person I think could be scum and he's already voted for you.

You're right though, you're 50% hard cleared from my POV, would be a bit rushed if you get lynched now.

UNVOTE:

Praise the mafia gods!

[FrogSC2]

VOTE COUNT:

Frog (L-2): This is the scummiest composition of a train, lol, and coincidentally my top 2 for POE

Kagesong, PhantomCobalt

Rufus (L-3): This vote makes no sense because no one has counterclaimed Rufus on a Town Power Role, makes Reubus look derp

Reubus

PhantomCobalt (L-3): This player did not vote Pam, comment on literally anything for 2 days (including the sub), and puts me at L-1 without contribution. He's in the square POE, top of the list, followed by Kagesong.

Frog

[FrogSC2]

@Rufus

Can I please convince you to join me on PhantomCobalt?

[FrogSC2]

Alternatively, lynch me today but then lynch:

PhantomCobalt
Kagesong

In that order.

It's much riskier going that way, and imo illogical lynching me first considering partial clear. But w.e. makes you guys happy.

[Drixx]

With no 1-shot BP claimed, FrogSC2 is conftown. Without any Cop/Doctor/Tracker claim, then Rufus is confirmed to be telling the truth about being Jailkeeper. That's two conftown. We should let the remaining scum kill them. Foolish to do scum's job for them.

I think my suspect order goes something like this:

PhantomCobalt
Reubus Swagrid
Kagesong


Not sure where I should put notachipmunk. Reubus and Kage could swap places... I can't decide which is 2nd most suspicious to me.