Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[Reubus Swagrid]

I don't think Reubus gets credit for putting the first vote on Pam in RVS. Scum often vote their partner in RVS. Once the wagon was up, he may have never seen a good chance to get off.

I voted you in RVS

[FrogSC2]

Meh, I still want to lynch PhantomCobalt anyway.

The way he said "the REAL BP" made me feel like he's not uninformed, rather he is informed, and wants us to wait until we wagon someone who claims BP for him.

Placing imaginary vote on PhantomCobalt so we don't hammer too soon and everyone can check in.

Also want to confirm with Rufus that he'll roleblock Kagesong tonight before any hammers.

[notachipmunk]

Also, this is very awkward.

PhantomCobalt!Scum would have been forced to claim bulletproof in this scenario.

UNVOTE:

I think we need to lynch kagesong today instead, even though PhantomCobalt would have made more sense.

PC pretty much subbed in and didn't really get much of a chance to say anything and suddenly he was at L-1 and D2 has hardly started: because of this I don't think that if he were scum he would necessarily fakeclaim bulletproof. He doesn't have as much vested in the game as the rest since he kinda just showed up into a bad situation. Idk if you think he definitely would or just wanted to pressure him to get some words out. There is time yet in D2 to change things up but you switched gears rather quickly on your lynch target. Half the time I'm not sure whether you are legit trying to get people answering things or causing mass confusion -or if not mass confusion then definitely chipmunk confusion-

[Reubus Swagrid]

Thing is, we don't know if town only has 1 PR or not (as per setup 1 in the matrix) or there is indeed a one shot BP

[notachipmunk]

nvm you went back to wanting to lynch PhantomCObalt anyway =p

[Drixx]

I don't think Reubus gets credit for putting the first vote on Pam in RVS. Scum often vote their partner in RVS. Once the wagon was up, he may have never seen a good chance to get off.

I voted you in RVS

By the time the vote count in post #55 was posted, you were voting for pam. *shrug*

[Reubus Swagrid]

So what does that change?

[FrogSC2]

Also, this is very awkward.

PhantomCobalt!Scum would have been forced to claim bulletproof in this scenario.

UNVOTE:

I think we need to lynch kagesong today instead, even though PhantomCobalt would have made more sense.

PC pretty much subbed in and didn't really get much of a chance to say anything and suddenly he was at L-1 and D2 has hardly started: because of this I don't think that if he were scum he would necessarily fakeclaim bulletproof. He doesn't have as much vested in the game as the rest since he kinda just showed up into a bad situation. Idk if you think he definitely would or just wanted to pressure him to get some words out. There is time yet in D2 to change things up but you switched gears rather quickly on your lynch target. Half the time I'm not sure whether you are legit trying to get people answering things or causing mass confusion -or if not mass confusion then definitely chipmunk confusion-

Lol, I'm legit confused most of the time examining of every option.

At the end of the day, I'd like to stand by my POE.

[FrogSC2]

So what does that change?

Drixx and Reubus interactions?! OMG!

[Reubus Swagrid]

UNVOTE: Rufus Delorian

[Reubus Swagrid]

Wait frog are you clearing Phantom?

[FrogSC2]

Wait frog are you clearing Phantom?

Nah, I'm hesitant based on his not claiming BP in his L-1.

I have my invisible vote there so he's not actually at L-1, but my invisible vote is for Phantom

[FrogSC2]

Again, if Wolves want to avoid a gamed strategy, they're kind of forced to claim bulletproof when they're at L-1

[FrogSC2]

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

What the hell, a bit of voting might inspire some more talk from the elusive Phantom. Not announcing L-1 was kinda poor form too.

Pretty certain the scum exists out of PhantomCobalt or Kagesong.

We can mechanically deduce there is no bulletproof claim, based on votes and interactions, which means we can go through with the plan. Which is kind of hilarious Mafia didn't claim.

I think I'm dead. GG!

When I saw this, I thought it was a concession.

The claiming VT afterwards threw me.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Again, if Wolves want to avoid a gamed strategy, they're kind of forced to claim bulletproof when they're at L-1

No?

[Reubus Swagrid]

They can claim either VT or BP to no detriment. If there is a real BP and (assuming Phantom is scum) Phantom claims BP, he's totally fucked either today or tomorrow. If there is no BP in the setup it would be safe to do so. Right now remaining scum can either feign that this is setup A or 1 with no consequence by claiming VT. Scum could also claim BP if there is no BP (for they would know if they were a role blocker or not) or simply claim VT. Or Phantom is really VT and Rufus fake claimed. His VT claim therefore doesn't do much for me.

[FrogSC2]

Again, if Wolves want to avoid a gamed strategy, they're kind of forced to claim bulletproof when they're at L-1

No?

Unless the wolf is Notachipmunk, then according to our planned strategy, we will mechanically clear and lynch everyone outside of the Town Block using Rufus' confirmed uncontested roleblock.

The only way for a wolf to get out of that is:
1) Be Notachipmunk
or
2) Claim bulletproof - this disallows players from being cleared (including myself and at least one other person tonight after Rufus roleblocks them) because of the potential existence of a mafia roleblocker on the vertical

I believe the second option to be the inevitable outcome, but I was wrong, no one claimed! And no one can reasonable claim it now! Such lols!

Since no one has claimed to be the bulletproof, this means:
1) Either the wolves haven't figured this out yet and it's too late for anyone to convincingly claim bulletproof at this point.
or
2) The wolf is Notachipmunk

I believe it's option #1 based on Notachipmunk voting Pam yesterday + interactions D1

[FrogSC2]

They can claim either VT or BP to no detriment. If there is a real BP and (assuming Phantom is scum) Phantom claims BP, he's totally fucked either today or tomorrow. If there is no BP in the setup it would be safe to do so. Right now remaining scum can either feign that this is setup A or 1 with no consequence by claiming VT. Scum could also claim BP if there is no BP (for they would know if they were a role blocker or not) or simply claim VT. Or Phantom is really VT and Rufus fake claimed. His VT claim therefore doesn't do much for me.

1) You said youself previous, there were no counterclaims to Rufus, therefore Rufus must be real claiming.

Sub notes - I believe Rufus' absurd D1 claiming

2) Simply claiming VT in the horizontal function would merit a strategized lock game for the scum. Which is lol.

3) Simply claiming VT in the vertical function,knowing there is a BP, waiting for the BP to claim, is a smart move. Continue to roleblock Rufus and kill whomever he desires. OOOOH I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN NOW RUFUS.

If we're in the vertical, scum won't be forced into a claim battle with the real BP. That would mean instant death. Pretending we're on the horizontal instead and getting the real BP to claim would be more beneficial for him/her. Let Rufus continue to "clear" more and more people until the wolf is "cleared".

Yeah it's definitely possible, but that would require the Wolf to not be in the TOP 3 POE spots.

ATM, I sincerely believe our TOP 3 POE will close the game out anyway.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Except you're not confirmed town frog

If he's the Mafia Roleblocker, as I suspect, who I choose to jail doesn't matter, it also doesn't matter too much if I die, I'm effectively a VT now.

[FrogSC2]

Except you're not confirmed town frog

If he's the Mafia Roleblocker, as I suspect, who I choose to jail doesn't matter, it also doesn't matter too much if I die, I'm effectively a VT now.

Ugh.

I'm confirmed town until further notice.

No, if we're in the vertical I don't want any real BPs to claim today.

Let the scum squeal on trial.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Except you're not confirmed town frog

If he's the Mafia Roleblocker, as I suspect, who I choose to jail doesn't matter, it also doesn't matter too much if I die, I'm effectively a VT now.

Ugh.

I'm confirmed town until further notice.

No, if we're in the vertical I don't want any real BPs to claim today.

Let the scum squeal on trial.

Why are you confirmed town until further notice??

[FrogSC2]

Except you're not confirmed town frog

If he's the Mafia Roleblocker, as I suspect, who I choose to jail doesn't matter, it also doesn't matter too much if I die, I'm effectively a VT now.

Ugh.

I'm confirmed town until further notice.

No, if we're in the vertical I don't want any real BPs to claim today.

Let the scum squeal on trial.

Why are you confirmed town until further notice??

Until I'm proven not confirmed, we go through with the gamed plan.

[Reubus Swagrid]

So if there is a BP out there, why should'nt they claim so we can either start or stop clearing town. Starting with you

[FrogSC2]

So if there is a BP out there, why should'nt they claim so we can either start or stop clearing town. Starting with you

I'm not so sure anymore to be honest.

I've gone down this rabbit hole pretty far.

What are your thoughts on the matter and why?

[kagesong]

I think Frog has finally talked himself into a loop he can't escape. I am prepared to hammer him or Phantom. Preferrably Frog, kinda cus I just don't like him.