Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[Reubus Swagrid]

So if there is a BP out there, why should'nt they claim so we can either start or stop clearing town. Starting with you

I'm not so sure anymore to be honest.

I've gone down this rabbit hole pretty far.

What are your thoughts on the matter and why?

Because if there is a BP you're not cleared and nobody can be cleared.

[FrogSC2]

So if there is a BP out there, why should'nt they claim so we can either start or stop clearing town. Starting with you

I'm not so sure anymore to be honest.

I've gone down this rabbit hole pretty far.

What are your thoughts on the matter and why?

Because if there is a BP you're not cleared and nobody can be cleared.

Which is exactly why Mafia would be forced into claiming BP if we were on the horizontal vertical, correct?

[FrogSC2]

Reubus, instead of repeating the same answer, I'd like to engage you in your thoughts.

Instead of pointing as a problem that I've already covered and found a solution towards, why don't you suggest your own solution.

Let me follow you down your line of thinking now.

[Reubus Swagrid]

If nobody claims BP I'm happy to play along with your strategy frog

[Reubus Swagrid]

Ah shit this is a problem. Scratch that because scum can claim when they aren't. Fk. Let me gather my thoughts. I'll probably follow you now frog since scum would've claimed BP if there isn't one.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Apologies frog. We are fine for now. Now we come back to the question of lynch candidates

[kagesong]

Apologies frog. We are fine for now. Now we come back to the question of lynch candidates

Well, if we clear Frog >.>, that just leaves me and Phantom. What order?

[Reubus Swagrid]

I thought Phantoms GG was actually genuine because he was going to be lynched

[Reubus Swagrid]

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

What the hell, a bit of voting might inspire some more talk from the elusive Phantom. Not announcing L-1 was kinda poor form too.

Pretty certain the scum exists out of PhantomCobalt or Kagesong.

We can mechanically deduce there is no bulletproof claim, based on votes and interactions, which means we can go through with the plan. Which is kind of hilarious Mafia didn't claim.

I think I'm dead. GG!

This GG seems like him conceding

[Reubus Swagrid]

Well I called Literallypam completely wrong...woops.

I'd say Frog definitively claimed Jailkeeper before the night, surely that means the scum is me or him, I'd rather we lynch him first but I can definitely see people wanting me lynched...its a town win even if you do me then Frog so I'm not too bothered about order.

VOTE: FrogSC2

Lmfao. Learn what a decoy is.

And dude, if I didn't push the pam lynch, we'd be in square 1, so just no.

Quoting this for future reference

[Reubus Swagrid]

I'm leaning voting Phantom

[Rufus Delorian]

I read the GG as a concession as well, then Frog started talking himself out of the lynch.

If PhantomCobalt is scum, claiming BP's just going to drag the game out for another turn. If he claims it, we lynch Kagesong, I jail Phantom and there's no NK, then we lynch Phantom. Maybe they didn't see any point in wasting everyone's time.

I'll jail Kagesong tonight if PhantomCobalt flips town.

[kagesong]

I read the GG as a concession as well, then Frog started talking himself out of the lynch.

If PhantomCobalt is scum, claiming BP's just going to drag the game out for another turn. If he claims it, we lynch Kagesong, I jail Phantom and there's no NK, then we lynch Phantom. Maybe they didn't see any point in wasting everyone's time.

I'll jail Kagesong tonight if PhantomCobalt flips town.

UNLESS he's MRB

[kagesong]

I read the GG as a concession as well, then Frog started talking himself out of the lynch.

If PhantomCobalt is scum, claiming BP's just going to drag the game out for another turn. If he claims it, we lynch Kagesong, I jail Phantom and there's no NK, then we lynch Phantom. Maybe they didn't see any point in wasting everyone's time.

I'll jail Kagesong tonight if PhantomCobalt flips town.

UNLESS he's MRB

If Phantom is MRB then it makes no difference who you jail, because he can simply block you and then choose to kill, clearing the jailed person, or not kill, causing them to be mislynched.

[Rufus Delorian]

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

[kagesong]

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

[FrogSC2]

Well I called Literallypam completely wrong...woops.

I'd say Frog definitively claimed Jailkeeper before the night, surely that means the scum is me or him, I'd rather we lynch him first but I can definitely see people wanting me lynched...its a town win even if you do me then Frog so I'm not too bothered about order.

VOTE: FrogSC2

Lmfao. Learn what a decoy is.

And dude, if I didn't push the pam lynch, we'd be in square 1, so just no.

Quoting this for future reference

I think I can see where you're going to take this.

So I'll just save this quote in case I'm dead and anyone needs to look over Reubus' accuracy of *NEW* statements.



Unless it's purely for post-game?

Because for in-game I think decoying is a pretty important strategy to teach new players. I already mentioned it before, but I really don't think Rufus understood the purpose of it until now.

Well I called Literallypam completely wrong...woops.

I'd say Frog definitively claimed Jailkeeper before the night, surely that means the scum is me or him, I'd rather we lynch him first but I can definitely see people wanting me lynched...its a town win even if you do me then Frog so I'm not too bothered about order.

VOTE: FrogSC2

If he claimed falsely he would've been counter claimed by now

[FrogSC2]

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

Kagesong

Walk through that whole scenario.

The premise is Rufus jails and no one dies.

What would the logical next steps be?

Sorry, I don't understand how you ever reach those conclusions from your premise points.

I'm sure I missed something, could you please explain it step by step?

[kagesong]

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

Kagesong

Walk through that whole scenario.

The premise is Rufus jails and no one dies.

What would the logical next steps be?

Sorry, I don't understand how you ever reach those conclusions from your premise points.

I'm sure I missed something, could you please explain it step by step?

IF the last scum is roleblocker, for WHATEVER reason no one is claming BP, then they can always block rufus, choose to kill or not kill, either confirming or clearing the person who got "jailed" as they see fit. KEEP IN MIND THAT ROLEBLOCKER RESOLVES FIRST. Yes I know no one has claimed BP, I'm not giving points for doing what people should here, I'm just saying this is a 50% possibility.

[kagesong]

Barring that, if we're horizontal, all scum has to do is NOT NK. Then suspicion falls immediately on a mislynch the next day. So mislynch and jail tonight, scum chooses not to kill. Tomorrow mislynch the one you jailed tonight, then scum kills. Pretty tidy.

[kagesong]

Your entire assertion that jailing = confirmed win has WAY to much WIFOM available to it.

[Rufus Delorian]

If scum doesn't NK, we get 2x the number of lynches that they can't control.

I know you like your WIFOM but that seems too farfetched to me.

[notachipmunk]

I think Frog has finally talked himself into a loop he can't escape. I am prepared to hammer him or Phantom. Preferrably Frog, kinda cus I just don't like him.

What is the loop you are referring to here? I get a bit lost trying to follow everything he posts.

[notachipmunk]

I don't like that Frog even demanded the bulletproof to claim to begin with. As much as he's coming up with some elaborate plans ultimately I feel like they're in his own self-interest to make himself look town regardless of his alignment. Of course it may all be true and maybe I'm wrong but isn't claiming BP bad as town? That's why I don't like that he pushed so much to even put it out in the open. He was hoping there wouldn't be anyone to claim it so he could be free, whether or not he was, and maybe they don't want to claim or just go with his plan. I mean at this point we're all kinda just jumping on the Frog strat because he accounts for about 1/3 of the total posts and has a lot of stuff laid out and I've been taking a lot of what he says as legit too.
I still don't like his "sheriff jailor" claim - decoy or not I feel like it helped him jump roles freely, especially since I took it as sarcasm at first and then he straight up used it as a role. His delayed pam vote also was shady. I mean if you were gonna vote in the last 2 hours, why do it like 45 min later -_-
Sorry if this is all "old" stuff from D1 but I need to think out loud and don't want to dismiss all of this and potentially get sucked into believing everything.

[notachipmunk]

I don't mean that everyone is legit like jumping on his strat, and it is being questioned but a lot of the focus is now on clearing himself, at least that is how I am seeing it