↑ kagesong wrote: ↑ FrogSC2 wrote: ↑ notachipmunk wrote:I don't like that Frog even demanded the bulletproof to claim to begin with. As much as he's coming up with some elaborate plans ultimately I feel like they're in his own self-interest to make himself look town regardless of his alignment. Of course it may all be true and maybe I'm wrong but isn't claiming BP bad as town? That's why I don't like that he pushed so much to even put it out in the open. He was hoping there wouldn't be anyone to claim it so he could be free, whether or not he was, and maybe they don't want to claim or just go with his plan. I mean at this point we're all kinda just jumping on the Frog strat because he accounts for about 1/3 of the total posts and has a lot of stuff laid out and I've been taking a lot of what he says as legit too.
I still don't like his "sheriff jailor" claim - decoy or not I feel like it helped him jump roles freely, especially since I took it as sarcasm at first and then he straight up used it as a role. His delayed pam vote also was shady. I mean if you were gonna vote in the last 2 hours, why do it like 45 min later -_-
Sorry if this is all "old" stuff from D1 but I need to think out loud and don't want to dismiss all of this and potentially get sucked into believing everything.
I appreciate your pure unfiltered thoughts.
I feel as though your thoughts are a bit confused.
Let me help a bit.
Keep one small point for line.
"Of course it may all be true and maybe I'm wrong but isn't claiming BP bad as town?"
Think through the scenarios in which a Town BP would claim, and in which a Mafia BP would claim.
Think through scenarios in which a Mafia would NOT claim BP.
"He was hoping there wouldn't be anyone to claim it so he could be free"
Using your knowledge from the questions you walked through above, explain how the sentence you wrote above makes no sense.
I'll ask that after you walk through everything completely, do not post it yet.
You are not a prime night kill target in the event that the game continues.
Keep your findings ready for copy paste if necessary tomorrow.
Please understand why I'm asking you to keep this to yourself instead of posting it.
I'm not sure how you expect him to succeed on this homework, Sensai. I mean, you're asking him to prove facts to be true, which are indeed false. What do you want? Gold from iron?
The basis of logic I presented is blatantly objective.
It's not about proving facts, but rather thinking through what would be optimal strategy for BP and Scum in each situation.
If you do this, you can develop a counter optimized strategy.
Instead of starting at:
Player X is scum
And then moving to:
Player X is scummy because
I'm presenting a different (better) approach:
Thinking through optimized strategies for each player type in different scenarios
This is the basis for game theory
I would go so far as to say the question:
Why is player X Scum?
Is inferior to:
Why is player X not Town?
If you decide to pursue that route, ask the latter question instead.
The problem with tunnel vision is this:
"If you hear hooves, don't go looking for Zebras, go hunting for horses"
Kagesong - I mentioned this before, but I think you get lost in WIFOM too easily
This is perhaps an indication of an EN type personality,
WHICH IS NOT BAD
I myself am an ENTP and consider every situation
But apply Occam's Razor to reel yourself in when you're stuck in WIFOM as a Villager
On the other hand, if you are a wolf, inciting confusion and playing into levels or WIFOM is not a bad strategy to be viewed as the "Village Idiot" (Politically Incorrect, but commonly used term)
