Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[notachipmunk]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

DOWN WITH THAT OTHER GUY YEAH! errr so which guy is it

[kagesong]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

Impressive contribution.

I Really don't like agreeing with Frog's sentiment here, however, that was A - really scummy of you to say and B - completely useless to you no matter what alignment you are. It gives no meaningful input to the game. Give us a reason he's probably not town, and a reason you are.

[Rufus Delorian]

I hadn't even considered lynching that other guy...we may have to debate this proposal at great length.

I'll start us off:

If That Other Guy = scum, this is a great proposal.

If That Other Guy = town, this is not a very good proposal.


I'm sure Frog can elaborate in far greater detail.

[kagesong]

I hadn't even considered lynching that other guy...we may have to debate this proposal at great length.

I'll start us off:

If That Other Guy = scum, this is a great proposal.

If That Other Guy = town, this is not a very good proposal.


I'm sure Frog can elaborate in far greater detail.

OMG so much broken. I almost want to rebirth Doge for this.

[FrogSC2]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

Impressive contribution.

I Really don't like agreeing with Frog's sentiment

here, however, that was A - really scummy of you to say and B - completely useless to you no matter what alignment you are. It gives no meaningful input to the game. Give us a reason he's probably not town, and a reason you are.

Why not?

All you've suggested is point C:
Frog is scum

But you haven't elaborated how you got there;
Points A & B

Spoiler: no thought process

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

Kagesong

Walk through that whole scenario.

The premise is Rufus jails and no one dies.

What would the logical next steps be?

Sorry, I don't understand how you ever reach those conclusions from your premise points.

I'm sure I missed something, could you please explain it step by step?

IF the last scum is roleblocker, for WHATEVER reason no one is claming BP, then they can always block rufus, choose to kill or not kill, either confirming or clearing the person who got "jailed" as they see fit. KEEP IN MIND THAT ROLEBLOCKER RESOLVES FIRST. Yes I know no one has claimed BP, I'm not giving points for doing what people should here, I'm just saying this is a 50% possibility.

@Kagesong

I'm trying my best to ask you a simple question.
Your answers feel very confused and with a purposeful narrative to fit whatever story you want to spin.

Once again:

Walk me through step by step how you get from:

A)Our current scenario of a jailkeeper
To
B) The next 2 lynches are Phantom and Yourself (Kagesong)
To
C) The last POE lynch is between Me (Frog, the clear) and Rufus (The uncontested Jailkeeper)

I don't, that would require me to have started from your theory, which would not make sense, as I do not view it as valid. I, however, using my own logic, began at my own point and worked toward my conclusion. To get from A to B you have to start at A. I however, began at C. So, your inquiry is invalid.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

Impressive contribution.

My thoughts exactly, Pam tier response.

[FrogSC2]

Spoiler: LMAO

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

DOWN WITH THAT OTHER GUY YEAH! errr so which guy is it

I hadn't even considered lynching that other guy...we may have to debate this proposal at great length.

I'll start us off:

If That Other Guy = scum, this is a great proposal.

If That Other Guy = town, this is not a very good proposal.


I'm sure Frog can elaborate in far greater detail.

Phantom is suggesting a vague binary situation, not addressing any particular player or why.

His Logic:
1. It's him or "That Other Guy"
2. "That Other Guy" and Phantom are 'probably' opposite alignments
3. Since Phantom claims VT, Phantom suggests instead "That Other Guy"

We're missing from phantom:
A. The identity of

Spoiler: That Other Guy

Obvious Scapegoat

B. Logic how he reasoned Step 2

[Reubus Swagrid]

Take him to the gallows already

[kagesong]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

Impressive contribution.

I Really don't like agreeing with Frog's sentiment

here, however, that was A - really scummy of you to say and B - completely useless to you no matter what alignment you are. It gives no meaningful input to the game. Give us a reason he's probably not town, and a reason you are.

Why not?

All you've suggested is point C:
Frog is scum



But you haven't elaborated how you got there;
Points A & B

Umm, I definitely explained my logic. But, since it's "wrong" you completely ignore the fact that I did so, simply because I used a different procedure than you.

[kagesong]

Ummm, quotes got ruined on my last post.........................

[Reubus Swagrid]

Preview prior to posting Kage

[kagesong]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

Impressive contribution.

I Really don't like agreeing with Frog's sentiment

here, however, that was A - really scummy of you to say and B - completely useless to you no matter what alignment you are. It gives no meaningful input to the game. Give us a reason he's probably not town, and a reason you are.

Why not?

All you've suggested is point C:
Frog is scum

But you haven't elaborated how you got there;
Points A & B

Umm, I definitely explained my logic. But, since it's "wrong" you completely ignore the fact that I did so, simply because I used a different procedure than you.

[FrogSC2]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

Impressive contribution.

I Really don't like agreeing with Frog's sentiment

here, however, that was A - really scummy of you to say and B - completely useless to you no matter what alignment you are. It gives no meaningful input to the game. Give us a reason he's probably not town, and a reason you are.

Why not?

All you've suggested is point C:
Frog is scum

But you haven't elaborated how you got there;
Points A & B

Umm, I definitely explained my logic. But, since it's "wrong" you completely ignore the fact that I did so, simply because I used a different procedure than you.

Quote your logical steps please.

I can't find them in your ISO anywhere.

Maybe you forgot to post it?

[FrogSC2]

FYI,

This was your blatant refusal of logic.

If Phantom wasn't derping so much, this would get you auto-lynched.

Quotes below:

Spoiler: no thought process

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

Kagesong

Walk through that whole scenario.

The premise is Rufus jails and no one dies.

What would the logical next steps be?

Sorry, I don't understand how you ever reach those conclusions from your premise points.

I'm sure I missed something, could you please explain it step by step?

IF the last scum is roleblocker, for WHATEVER reason no one is claming BP, then they can always block rufus, choose to kill or not kill, either confirming or clearing the person who got "jailed" as they see fit. KEEP IN MIND THAT ROLEBLOCKER RESOLVES FIRST. Yes I know no one has claimed BP, I'm not giving points for doing what people should here, I'm just saying this is a 50% possibility.

@Kagesong

I'm trying my best to ask you a simple question.
Your answers feel very confused and with a purposeful narrative to fit whatever story you want to spin.

Once again:

Walk me through step by step how you get from:

A)Our current scenario of a jailkeeper
To
B) The next 2 lynches are Phantom and Yourself (Kagesong)
To
C) The last POE lynch is between Me (Frog, the clear) and Rufus (The uncontested Jailkeeper)

I don't, that would require me to have started from your theory, which would not make sense, as I do not view it as valid. I, however, using my own logic, began at my own point and worked toward my conclusion. To get from A to B you have to start at A. I however, began at C. So, your inquiry is invalid.

[Rufus Delorian]

Take him to the gallows already

This.

[kagesong]

FYI,

This was your blatant refusal of logic.

If Phantom wasn't derping so much, this would get you auto-lynched.

Quotes below:

Spoiler: no thought process

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

Kagesong

Walk through that whole scenario.

The premise is Rufus jails and no one dies.

What would the logical next steps be?

Sorry, I don't understand how you ever reach those conclusions from your premise points.

I'm sure I missed something, could you please explain it step by step?

IF the last scum is roleblocker, for WHATEVER reason no one is claming BP, then they can always block rufus, choose to kill or not kill, either confirming or clearing the person who got "jailed" as they see fit. KEEP IN MIND THAT ROLEBLOCKER RESOLVES FIRST. Yes I know no one has claimed BP, I'm not giving points for doing what people should here, I'm just saying this is a 50% possibility.

@Kagesong

I'm trying my best to ask you a simple question.
Your answers feel very confused and with a purposeful narrative to fit whatever story you want to spin.

Once again:

Walk me through step by step how you get from:

A)Our current scenario of a jailkeeper
To
B) The next 2 lynches are Phantom and Yourself (Kagesong)
To
C) The last POE lynch is between Me (Frog, the clear) and Rufus (The uncontested Jailkeeper)

I don't, that would require me to have started from your theory, which would not make sense, as I do not view it as valid. I, however, using my own logic, began at my own point and worked toward my conclusion. To get from A to B you have to start at A. I however, began at C. So, your inquiry is invalid.

Apparently you live in a very tiny world where only you are capable of being correct about any kind of logic and your logic is the only truth. OMG you're one of THEM. Here, let's test your theory, since I'm an "auto-lynch" for whatever reason.

VOTE: Kagesong
I guess it really comes down to, I'm sick of reading this arrogance, but I really wanna get a complete game. SO, go ahead, vote me. Then lose when you get lynched tomorrow.

[FrogSC2]

FYI,

This was your blatant refusal of logic.

If Phantom wasn't derping so much, this would get you auto-lynched.

Quotes below:

Spoiler: no thought process

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

Kagesong

Walk through that whole scenario.

The premise is Rufus jails and no one dies.

What would the logical next steps be?

Sorry, I don't understand how you ever reach those conclusions from your premise points.

I'm sure I missed something, could you please explain it step by step?

IF the last scum is roleblocker, for WHATEVER reason no one is claming BP, then they can always block rufus, choose to kill or not kill, either confirming or clearing the person who got "jailed" as they see fit. KEEP IN MIND THAT ROLEBLOCKER RESOLVES FIRST. Yes I know no one has claimed BP, I'm not giving points for doing what people should here, I'm just saying this is a 50% possibility.

@Kagesong

I'm trying my best to ask you a simple question.
Your answers feel very confused and with a purposeful narrative to fit whatever story you want to spin.

Once again:

Walk me through step by step how you get from:

A)Our current scenario of a jailkeeper
To
B) The next 2 lynches are Phantom and Yourself (Kagesong)
To
C) The last POE lynch is between Me (Frog, the clear) and Rufus (The uncontested Jailkeeper)

I don't, that would require me to have started from your theory, which would not make sense, as I do not view it as valid. I, however, using my own logic, began at my own point and worked toward my conclusion. To get from A to B you have to start at A. I however, began at C. So, your inquiry is invalid.

Apparently you live in a very tiny world where only you are capable of being correct about any kind of logic and your logic is the only truth. OMG you're one of THEM. Here, let's test your theory, since I'm an "auto-lynch" for whatever reason.

VOTE: Kagesong
I guess it really comes down to, I'm sick of reading this arrogance, but I really wanna get a complete game. SO, go ahead, vote me. Then lose when you get lynched tomorrow.

lovely.

VOTE: Phantom Cobalt

[FrogSC2]

L-1

[FrogSC2]

I think Frog has finally talked himself into a loop he can't escape. I am prepared to hammer him or Phantom.

Preferrably Frog, kinda cus I just don't like him.

Pleasantness aside, play to your win condition.

[Drixx]

Please don't self vote. I can go into a lengthy explanation of why not if you need.

[FrogSC2]

Please don't self vote. I can go into a lengthy explanation of why not if you need.

There are some situations where self-voting is beneficial to your win condition.

But it's inherently against win cons.

Threatening a self-vote is a bit different than actually self-voting.

Frustration is certainly one aspect that leads to improper play of self-voting.

My last standard vanilla 13er (1 cop, rest vanilla) went to Final 3 due to self-voting.

Ultimately, it was a beneficial strategy because the POE was narrowed down between 2 people and the person who self-voted was a Town inside of that POE. (Basically it was a locked game).

Self-voting as scum when you don't consider yourself a serious lynch candidate is a way of playing off of levels/WIFOM and could be a strategy that

could

work to your advantage. But it's

very

situational.

[FrogSC2]

Before the game is over, I should apologize to you all for bearing with me.

If I come off as arrogant, it's because I am.

But voting someone you don't like is significantly different than voting someone you believe is a wolf.

It can certainly be used as a strategy to lynchbait an unlikeable player:
-Build a weak case on an unlikeable player
-Suggest the main reason is because the player in unlikeable
-Wait and see who votes with you and their reasons (If they're equally weak reasons, it's an easy way of spotting a wolf)

Self-lynch bait can be used similarly:
-Wolves want to appear as though they are scum hunting
-By presenting yourself as a weak player/strong target, it allows for wolves to jump onto something easy

Honestly, I've mostly stopped with self-bait and kind of despise that play now, whoever does it.
I've found more likely than not, experienced wolves use self-lynch bait early D1 as a soft clearing method

[kagesong]

Yeah, all that great strategy stuff, thanks for making me not seem like a *********** Frog. Of course it's strategy. When I die, Frog gets lynched, town wins. Not at ALL because I'm sick of one person trying to run a game. HONEST.

[Rufus Delorian]

You know you can just ignore Frog, right? I've just been skimming his longer posts.

To be clear, do you actually think there's a Bulletproof Townie who hasn't claimed or are you just wanting to go against what Frog's doing because you think he's an ass?

[FrogSC2]

Yeah, all that great strategy stuff, thanks for making me not seem like a *********** Frog. Of course it's strategy. When I die, Frog gets lynched, town wins. Not at ALL because I'm sick of one person trying to run a game. HONEST.

All good Kagesong.

If it's not a bother, I'd like to /in with you in future games as a hydra account.

I feel like you have the motivation and the personality type for a pure feel reader.