A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[SirCakez]

ATM scum reads of varying degrees on Tictac, Seniors, Ogre, and Beeboy.

[Spiffeh]

boo you

[beeboy]

I am obv towning so the only noteworthy thing is the Tictac read which I disagree with

VI and proud heh?

idk what a VI is but if it has to do with me being obv town then yes.

[Spiffeh]

dramonic vote for PP w/ me please

[beeboy]

Dram no vote with me.

[The Pied Piper]

Does my lack of vote bother you, then, or something else?

I feel like you devoted more time to meta talk than was necessary. hiplop hasn't really done enough yet for that discussion to be useful and it looks like filler content. Reminds me of scum!Plot in History where you kinda droned on about things that didn't matter.

Your fixation with tictac specifically is weird too? Like you bombard him with questions right from the get go for no clear reason. It makes me think you want to stroke beeboy's ego and goad his tunnel by nitpicking at someone who isn't really buying into it.

What do you think of my point that not doing anything is, in itself, scummy?

And I don't buy that you feel this way less than 24 hours into the game.

And Nacho hasn't really done anything that looks town so yeah I'm voting you

I think you're right that I'm not expressing myself very well today. I'll try again some other time. I believe you've seen me use more words than neccessary in both The Odds and that horrid blitz as well.

Tictac is someone that I've been looking forward to playing with because they're somebody that I know. I have been asking them questions to try to get a read on them and understand their thought process. It may well be that my questions to tictac don't interest you but they interest me and that's why I'm asking them.

I'm interested in beeboy and his tunnel because he's one of the players that I'm having a difficult time reading; I agree with some of his points and disagree with others, but I'm interested in seeing where he goes with it.

What I think is scummy about Friendless Seniors, aside from the SnarkySnowman vote, is that they have made a bunch of posts over the span of an hour, but in those posts, they did virtually nothing. I do not think it is scummy that various people haven't posted yet, or that there are people with only 1-2 posts. But if someone has several posts spread out over some time, but there is nothing worth reading in those posts, that's scummy. Errant's wall is the first thing of substance from that slot, but I know that they're capable of writing walls as both alignments and I want to digest it when I'm less tired.

I'll come back to this on a better communication day.

I don't mind your vote on me, but you scumread me in everygame that we play together, so your accuracy rate is 25%.

[davesaz]

@Beeboy: when you say you know how Friendless Seniors would react to you, are you talking about one of the hydra heads in particular? Or is this a Hydra that you have played with before? I don't get your conviction given that Seniors hasn't done much of anything.

I have a reasonable understanding how both would play. Randomly voting a lynch bait and providing no other good content is verrryy verrrrry far from what both would do as town. This is just general but even more truthful in regards to them because they know snarky is lynchbaity.

The delayed reaction to my joke buddy comment is more general and less specific to them.

In as much as this is a meta-argument and I have never played with either of those people, I am curious if anyone else who has played with them (Friendless Seniors/hiplop/Errantparabola) agree/disagree with this assessment?

I found this specific use of meta questionable, this early in the game. Contrast to my use of meta re: Sakura, where I noted a difference but did not attempt to read by it.
What do you think about the difference in approach?

[beeboy]

Ew Dav isn't saying his other scum reads.

[beeboy]

I am obv towning so the only noteworthy thing is the Tictac read which I disagree with

VI and proud heh?

I googled this and am now sad.
:C

I found scum m9 so go help me.

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Briefly skimmed, but still at work so I won't have a solid post until later.

I think it was tictac that said my opening post was forced? I haven't been playing Mafia for a few months now so it's pretty refreshing to be back and I'm happy. So you can say it's forced, but it's pretty much not.

Also can someone explain the votes on the Piped piper? I'm not really sure that I'm seeing scum nacho or ploti tbh. It's a bit early to tell, but I really want someone to show me why they think they are scum.

I made a comment in my PT about bee boy and GM told me that it's just normal Beeboy, but the tunnel is getting old

~M

[Spiffeh]

ISO me

[davesaz]

Hey Dav who else do you think is scum right now?

Only the one very weak scum read, and not really much in the way of town reads. It usually takes days of activity, regardless of how fast the pages go.

@Spiffeh -- who?

[Spiffeh]

Wrong lynch

[beeboy]

Briefly skimmed, but still at work so I won't have a solid post until later.

I think it was tictac that said my opening post was forced? I haven't been playing Mafia for a few months now so it's pretty refreshing to be back and I'm happy. So you can say it's forced, but it's pretty much not.

Also can someone explain the votes on the Piped piper? I'm not really sure that I'm seeing scum nacho or ploti tbh. It's a bit early to tell, but I really want someone to show me why they think they are scum.

I made a comment in my PT about bee boy and GM told me that it's just normal Beeboy, but the tunnel is getting old

~M

@This goes to anyone who says I am tunneling then.

Then find me scum, I am not tunneling we are 1 irl day and 9 pages into a game.
I have other reads and not changing my primary one is ok.
+ He is obv scumming so you should vote with me.

[beeboy]

People are saying I am tunneling, people are saying I am flip flopping.

I can never win with you people, just town read me and vote obvscum!seniors D=

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Then explain why he's obv scum instead of just spamming lynch, lynch Seniors. You briefly touched on meta, but didn't go deep enough for
Someone to look at it beyond the surface level.

So I'm asking you to fully explain your read because right now all this seems to me that's coming out is noise and I don't like noise.

~M

[beeboy]

Why Seniors is scum!

-They ignored my buddy offer.
-1 page later they replied.

What this is telling me is that they are scum and want to avoid looking awkward so they didn't immediately reply to me. They thought about a reply and wanted me to stop attracting attention and posted incredibly late.
I would be scum reading anyone for doing that.

VOTE: snarky

real vote

This is exactly how Snarky plays and it surprises me both you and EP both don't know that.
Considering we just ended a game with him like 3 weeks ago.

Fun fact when I played with Seniors they helped drive a push taking advantage of snarky's play style to drive him to mason claim. They know it is an easy unreliable push that also isn't telling. Even if you don't know this anyone should be able to tell how weak the Snarky vote was regardless of meta and vote Seniors anyway.

None of the play is natural it is that simple.

[beeboy]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65463

For Hiplop in RuPaul he dodged RVS started talking about roles and avoided actually reading people for the longest time.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p7545249

For Hiplop in SagaFrontier Spiffy was doing all the early game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65288

For hiplop the time I played with him as town he actually interacted early on O=

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=27433

Second time I played with him when he was town he also interacted early on.

[beeboy]

I am sure there are deviations but there is a solid trend where he doesn't interact early as scum but he does as town.

[Spiffeh]

We were town in Saga Frontier

[SirCakez]

Beeboy what are your non-Seniors scum reads? You are tunneling :/

[beeboy]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=175

EP in the game I played with him when he was scum he avoiding pushing all the primary wagons early on.

[beeboy]

Oh that was a modkill neutral survivor huehuehue.

[beeboy]

Beeboy what are your non-Seniors scum reads? You are tunneling :/

I actually said I would lynch TicTac already so I am not.

[beeboy]

Also I still want that slot to explain the Snarky vote because they are dodging that.