A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[SirCakez]

Tictac, Seniors, Beeboy, Ogre

[Spiffeh]

beeboy is town

The rest of them are sketch though yea

[podoboq]

I also think beeboy is town. I don't

like

how he's playing, but I doubt scum would act like he's acting.

[Friendless Seniors]

EP I have a question about this post. When you made it you expected me to react to, to avoid beating around the bush normally I get really pissed off. If I got pissed of by your remarks which is what you expected me to do, what would you have done if people started to scum read me and push me? I really don't see the motive in you trying to get me to react to you calling my wagon shit.
Like it is really bothering me I can see tons of reasons why scum would do it but literally 0 reasons town would.

here are several examples of what I would expect someone to respond to me.
1. Justify your push on us based on the reasons that I have attacked.
2. Respond to my attack on your push.
3. Be convinced that your push is bad.
You have done none of these.

throwing out some townreads: spiffeh, beeboy, wronglynch, amihan.
i'm going out so I won't be around. This is just a quick post, i only did a skim of the most recent pages.

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

podoboq has a potential scum iso.
check it.

We see the popular stances being taken in 452 which isn't necessarily bad but it's a scum puzzle piece.
455 picking and choosing the contentless beeboy posts, ignoring the actual reasons (no matter how terrible they are, they're still reasons) then says "hey I'll come to my own conclusions, I'm a free thinker!!! Townread me!"

Check this out too. I don't see a difference between dramonic's axel posts and the posts that podo picks out of beeboy's iso. But no "hey dramonic you suck" from podoboq HMM? HMM?!?

-EP
will see what hippy thinks when i get home after my thing.

[Friendless Seniors]

like, podoboq ignores the reasons that beeboy is giving for the read on us
then say "meh you suck but you're not scum for it"
and then wait
and then say "yeah you're town"
this ain't normal

-EP

[Spiffeh]

You don't need hiplop to validate you

Be independent

Blossom into the you you want to be

[Mirhawk]

Things goin on...

Anyways I'm not going to be around a lot this weekend, just a heads up.

[tictac]

Seniors:
Calling Snarkys (non-existent) push weird is indeed scummy.
Don't see that coming from anywhere else than "making stuff up to defend myself" POV.

spiffeh, he voted me that's a push in my books.

semantics?

It really isn't. A naked vote isn't a push.
Also don't really buy you freaking out with only 5 votes on you. Been burned by fake rage in the past.

Disagree with the Cakez push.
Just played with town-cakez and the quality of his day 1 reads really isn't alignment indicative.
@Seniors (both of ya) Have you played with Cakez before?

Don't get the podobog thing. Will look into it.


Amihan is town. Don't see scum quickly countering a miller-claim like that.
Unless pist & Amihan are both scum and this is a gambit. Bit weird that they both didn't post in the beginning and then came on at the same time. Large coincidence can mean it didn't actually happen by accident and would explain the Amihan shift to Mirhawk(which I really don't get otherwise). Would be pretty ballsy move if it's true.


Pist prob scum, but 2 millers isn't impossible. Jester also not impossible.
@pist is your beeboy vote real? What is the reasoning?
Your level of participation doesn't fly. Give us reads.
I actually know you somewhat, thou you won't recognize this name. You ain't this bad.

Nothing really chanced in my dave-read, but I think we have better prospects now. pist>FS>dave
VOTE: pist

"Ogre is pretty new" is factually incorrect and I'm concerned that you throw in that statement as some kind of padding for "sheeping looks scummy".
You'll agree then that sheeping looks towny at times. Depending on motication and whether the player is new or knows what they're doing.

So you've decided that because I am new sheeping is scummy, but you don't attempt to figure out whether I am actually new.

I counted your completed games(3). That's new in my books. Are you an alt then?
Sheeping an unconvincing read (which beeboy read on Seniors was at the time of 125) is scummier from a new player than an experienced one, since there is less chance that it's done for the reactions. FS push on you is reflecting well on you thou.

Examples:
A whole lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing. Comes into what seems like an accusation at beeboy's read and nullifies it with the end.

Not everything needs to be about scumreading people. Analysis on what's happening in the thread has value. If I didn't think beeboys early reasons for Senior push looked fake I wouldn't have scumread Ogre for sheeping them.

The irony is that this post looks forced.

Hokay.

1) It wasn't

Was too.

2) Why mention Dave only instead of me who also thought it wasnt jokey?

Didn't see you pushing Axl and then saying you didn't.

[podoboq]

like, podoboq ignores the reasons that beeboy is giving for the read on us
then say "meh you suck but you're not scum for it"
and then wait
and then say "yeah you're town"
this ain't normal

-EP

I pointed out beeboy's problematic posts because they're problematic. They aren't necessarily scummy, they're just bad for conducive gameplay.
Literally telling people to sheep you is bad for town.

In my (limited) experience, townies aren't as aggressive and flamboyant as beeboy has been. So yeah, I'm townreading him anyway.

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Interesting. I don't get why tictac would engage, but not follow up with a response.

Also Dave you're not the only one who thought they played with Orge before. The name is familiar to me too.

Still not home at the doctors office getting shots, yaay me, then finishing up the work I have to do.

~M

[tictac]

Yeah, no.
podobog just looks new to me.
No read yet.

[tictac]

Interesting. I don't get why tictac would engage, but not follow up with a response.

What are you talking about?

[THE WRONG WAGON]

I also think beeboy is town. I don't

like

how he's playing, but I doubt scum would act like he's acting.

Please don't tell me we are already using the argument too scum to be scum type one.

._.

~M

Preedit: I responded to your response in 138 when I was catching up. Either you're not aware of my history or you are and you're still trying to fuel with fake reasons to scum read me

[tictac]

I think it was tictac that said my opening post was forced? I haven't been playing Mafia for a few months now so it's pretty refreshing to be back and I'm happy. So you can say it's forced, but it's pretty much not.

This? What is there to respond to?
I thought your entry as forced. You say it's not.
Useless to argue about.

[THE WRONG WAGON]

There's fact proving its wrong. I mean sure you can say it's useless to argue about, but if you did any back ground digging on me or even read the sign up thread I made a public announcement to both the playlist and the mod about how my posting will be and why.

~M

[tictac]

You said you will be busy. How does that prove that your entry wasn't forced?

[davesaz]

2) Why mention Dave only instead of me who also thought it wasnt jokey?

Didn't see you pushing Axl and then saying you didn't.

I wasn't aware that two posts on a subject (not counting replies) could be classified as a "push". Certainly wouldn't be the way I think of it. Evidently your standards are lower.

[tictac]

I wasn't aware that two posts on a subject (not counting replies) could be classified as a "push". Certainly wouldn't be the way I think of it. Evidently your standards are lower.

Giving reasons to scumread someone does count as pushing.
Don't really get how you'd think it doesn't.

[davesaz]

You said you will be busy. How does that prove that your entry wasn't forced?

Alright

I'm going to break my leave of Mafia for six months

on spring break~.

[davesaz]

I wasn't aware that two posts on a subject (not counting replies) could be classified as a "push". Certainly wouldn't be the way I think of it. Evidently your standards are lower.

Giving reasons to scumread someone does count as pushing.
Don't really get how you'd think it doesn't.

Pointing out a questionable post in a way that encourages that person to clarify does not equal a scumread.
I suppose you think reaction tests are scummy?

[tictac]

Ah. That perspective does make her look more natural

pedit: So you are saying it was a reaction test?

[davesaz]

Also Dave you're not the only one who thought they played with Orge before. The name is familiar to me too.

Ogre said I was familiar -- my post was saying I'd never seen the name before (or more correctly don't remember seeing it which is almost the same thing but not quite as I fall into the "almost eidetic memory" category).

[davesaz]

pedit: So you are saying it was a reaction test?

Not exactly, I would use that term for a planned activity where this was more spur of the moment. But see 100 for the relevant philosophy.

[tictac]

My comment was, in part, a means of prodding you to find out if you would be defensive about it being called that.

Yeah, ok. You did say that.
But not before you got heat from mirhawk for not voting Axl.