A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[SirCakez]

Cakez, can you clarify for me your read on Sakura and beeboy? I know that you think beeboy waffled, and I agree with you, but where does that leave you on reading their alignments?

Sakura has been solidly town for me pretty much the whole game.
Beeboy is a slight scum read for me, he's improving past his initial waffle/Seniors tunnel.

[Friendless Seniors]

sorry guys beeboy sucked the fun out of this for me a bit.

is it still just a lot of unproductive noise or

[podoboq]

sorry guys beeboy sucked the fun out of this for me a bit.

is it still just a lot of unproductive noise or

See, this is my problem with the FS slot. It feels like most of their contribution is discounting the people on their wagon, rather than discussing relevant parts of the game. Like, the Miller CC and Mirhan's response to it seems like the topic of the moment, and FS comes in with this when nobody's even discussing that wagon.

This could just be apathy for the game after feeling like he was tunneled by a loud and stubborn player, but this attitude isn't helpful for town.

[Tammy]

@Tammy: I can't address all of your questions because I'm not Mala, but here are the ones I can:

I think I need to go back and skim a quick Sakura game. I /may/ have forgotten how she plays. I just think it's odd that she's going to sort Nacho part of your hydra, but it doesn't seem like she has engaged him /yet/.

~M

I feel like I'm harping here, but I really want you to explain *why* it's odd she wants to sort nacho.

I think it was more meant, "It's weird that she says she wants to sort Nacho but hasn't really put action to word."

Well she got after her for the rvs post in which she said she wanted to sort nacho, that's the big one I want answered. She did ask him a question, but what kind of engagement was she supposed to do when he hadn't even really posted yet?

I have a huge problem with you you saying you where scum reading him yesterday when that post above is the only thing that indicated you had a scum read on mirhawk. It is a blatant scum tell to pull stuff like that to justify your vote and it really bothers me which is why I have trouble seeing you flip town this game.

Nope, GM and I were discussing reads. I had a slight town read off pages 1-5 from Mirhawk, but I said I was holding off before saying it in thread and GM said she disagreed with me on it.

I think you're misrepping me pretty bad though. I am not fabricating my scum read on him. My read changed from early pages to his current posting so I'm failing to see how I'm justifying my read on him when it obviously changed from when I caught up after work and when I went to bed yesterday. I haven't had time to talk to GM today so I'm not sure if she's caught up or where she stands.

~M

Where did the misreported occur?

That quote was so broken.

It's the "you say you were scumreading him yesterday" from beeboy, when in actual fact, she said that

I

was scumreading him yesterday and that she was townreading him.

Surely that one was obvious?[/quote]

Nope it's not obvious at all. I still don't understand your explanation because that doesn't seem to be what was going on. And if that is the case, does that really warrant a "misrepping really bad" accusation?

So, yeah pretend I'm five and dumb and re explain it? Preferably Mala explain it?

--

Hmm good morning's posts look 10 times better than mala's which is weird.

I only have one! (well, 2 after this is posted) But OK![/quote]

Yeah, I meant that one.

[Spiffeh]

Ugh I'm gonna have to start reading the long posts aren't I?

[Friendless Seniors]

See, this is my problem with the FS slot. It feels like most of their contribution is discounting the people on their wagon, rather than discussing relevant parts of the game. Like, the Miller CC and Mirhan's response to it seems like the topic of the moment, and FS comes in with this when nobody's even discussing that wagon.This could just be apathy for the game after feeling like he was tunneled by a loud and stubborn player, but this attitude isn't helpful for town.

so there is more content? sweet. I'll go back and read

[THE WRONG WAGON]

I don't know Tammy. I haven't played with Sakura in a very long time, but I don't ever remember her right in the beginning going 'I need to sort nacho out asap'. I remember other players doing that, but her? Never. It just seemed off to me.

I really don't see how you're not understanding where Beeboy misunderstood my post. I don't like beeboys overall switching to whoever doesn't agree with him must be scum mindset. He's done it with me and he's done it with others. I was town reading Mirhawk in the early start of the game, then after the whole miller thing his response, his fence sit was terrible so I started pushing it. That's where Beeboy said I was fabricating a read on Mirhawk, but I wasn't. How am I fabricating a read when my initial read on Mirhawk was town, but my ending read was scum. It's called the progression of the game, scum hunting is another word for it. So the fact he took to say I was fabricating a read when I wasn't is in fact a misstep.

~M

I have to agree with not liking FS last post though. /:

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Hmm good morning's posts look 10 times better than mala's which is weird.

Nacho when you get here talk to me please?

Not surprising to me in the least bit since you pretty much have and always will misread me until we get into a dance <3

~M

[Friendless Seniors]

its just frustrating playing and getting tunneled, TWL. I'll play well now

[Tammy]

Hey guys I think Swordsworth should be the ultimate lynch for today

Carry on

Can you explain why? Is it just because of inactivity and

....What if Pistachio is shot and flips town? What does this suggest about Ami, and would that warrant an instant vote?

467 in general is just really awful

It has nothing to do with the activity

Do you feel differently?

I agree that it's pretty bad, and I think it warrants suspicion, but that alone isn't enough to for me to consider him my "ultimate lynch for today." It just seemed like a stretch, so I was wondering if you were seeing something I wasn't.

What do you think was bad about it?

[Tammy]

My reservations were to do with his push on Sakura who I was not reading as scum. I did not expect him to back off so quickly but when he did I was more inclined to read him as town, as scum-beeboy had no reason to back off unless he was town and open to changing reads. Thus the sheep. Along with my own read on Seniors anyway.

That's not what I'm referring to.
I'm referring to how you said "I'm withholding my vote for now" then immediately voted in your next post.

Why is this problematic?

And can people stop acting like shit is scummy that isn't, you're making my head explode.

It's backtracking. Why even say that in the first place if he was going to dump a vote two posts later?

You're positing his big scum plan was to say he wasn't putting a vote down and then 8 minutes later coming back to the thread and voting?

How is that even backtracking? Why does that make him scum?

No I'm saying it looks like trying to blend in after realizing his initial "not voting" thing sucked. And that I'd backtracking.
I've completed like 10 or so games onsite now? That's just a guess from memory. I've also played like 20 off site.

You think he, as scum, purposefully said he wasn't voting, didn't realize it at the time, posted then a few minutes later went shit I should blend in? You actually think that's a thought process someone has? I still don't get why it's backtracking. Why is no voting shitty in the first place and why can't he have simply changed his mind?

You have more than five games to your repertoire and you're actually trying to argue the waffling is a scum tell thing?

[THE WRONG WAGON]

its just frustrating playing and getting tunneled, TWL. I'll play well now

I'm not saying I don't know how you feel, but the way you're acting is the way I kinda act when I get tunneled and I'm scum. I'm not saying I haven't done it as town either, but it's just not sitting well with me /:

~M

[THE WRONG WAGON]

I mean if this is hippy you should know first hand how much I adore getting tunneled. Look at that blitz game where your hydra partner ridcious tunneled me the whole entire fucking game over one bad post, which lead to a huge fight, but still. You saw how I reacted to tunneling.

~M

[Tammy]

I don't know Tammy. I haven't played with Sakura in a very long time, but I don't ever remember her right in the beginning going 'I need to sort nacho out asap'. I remember other players doing that, but her? Never. It just seemed off to me.

I really don't see how you're not understanding where Beeboy misunderstood my post. I don't like beeboys overall switching to whoever doesn't agree with him must be scum mindset. He's done it with me and he's done it with others. I was town reading Mirhawk in the early start of the game, then after the whole miller thing his response, his fence sit was terrible so I started pushing it. That's where Beeboy said I was fabricating a read on Mirhawk, but I wasn't. How am I fabricating a read when my initial read on Mirhawk was town, but my ending read was scum. It's called the progression of the game, scum hunting is another word for it. So the fact he took to say I was fabricating a read when I wasn't is in fact a misstep.

~M

I have to agree with not liking FS last post though. /:

Sakura wanting to sort nacho first thing is pretty standard. Part of what I don't get is why you pointed out he hadn't done anything out of the ordinary yet when he hadn't even come close to posting anything alignment indicative yet. I also don't understand why you'd want to get in the middle of someone else's sorting process.

I agree that bee boy's tendency to do that is annoying. How come his question to you isn't him scum hunting? I just don't get why the response was an immediate "you're misrepping me!"

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Oh and ploti I'm not ignoring you. It's just your post is huge and I'm on my phone and I'm going to run around and do errands and then eat and then I'm working for a few hours like 6.


I'll tackle it when I get home. I had actually woken up in the middle of the night and read it, but I felt weird posting and I didn't want to engage with either you or Tammy when the chance of me falling back to sleep in the middle of a conv was high

~M

[Friendless Seniors]

Jester is bastard, whoever mentioned that.
Dram who are the 3 scum?

axel podo davesaz

i can see why someone would think these three are scum so that's good i guess

ami and pist are town probably

True Ogre's entrance post is pretty balls.
Withholding vote is fine, ESPECIALLY not after beeboy tells him to vote us and then ogre does.
Look at how terrible withholding vote is there. Ogre OPENLY admits to being unsure of people that they want to sort, that they are considering to maybe be scum, and then just... doesn't vote. nope.
"I will entertain Sakura argument" is basically saying "I don't want to commit yet (which is fine) but i'm not gonna do anything about it (which isn't fine)"
"keeping an eye on axelrod" uh huh.

Can you put this into English though?

What's wrong with him not voting?

1. Ogre targets certain people as "I think these people might be scum but I am not sure"
2. Voting someone is one way to maybe get a bit of that information
3. Ogre waits for beeboy to actually do this and I still don't know why.

So obviously off on this

tonally? this bothers me.

Both of them reading FS as scum makes me question FS pretty strongly.

I think their opinion on Cakez is kind of just bullshit, and I think "ignoring" beeboy is mindless. I'll be re-reading the thread after I get my classwork done this weekend, but in the meantime, based on my skim, I'm pretty comfortable pushing the wagon along.

But yeah, honestly, I think most of my read is coming from town reading Cakez and beeboy. Maybe part of it comes from the skimming. Maybe part of it is something subliminal coming from the Trump icon. I'll be reviewing this weekend, and I don't expect a lynch to happen before then.

podo, do you feel like you're disconnected from the game? I'm bolding this to make sure you don't miss it.

VOTE: podoboq
this is the right vote, hippy, but subject to change

here, town vibes i got since i last posted maybe dramonic, definitely ami, pist, beeboy, probably tammy

-EP

so yeah both heads are here. trump party!

[Friendless Seniors]

oh, and spiffeh is also probably town
-trump

[Friendless Seniors]

beeboy can you stop ignoring me for once
-not hiplop

[podoboq]

Hey guys I think Swordsworth should be the ultimate lynch for today

Carry on

Can you explain why? Is it just because of inactivity and

....What if Pistachio is shot and flips town? What does this suggest about Ami, and would that warrant an instant vote?

467 in general is just really awful

It has nothing to do with the activity

Do you feel differently?

I agree that it's pretty bad, and I think it warrants suspicion, but that alone isn't enough to for me to consider him my "ultimate lynch for today." It just seemed like a stretch, so I was wondering if you were seeing something I wasn't.

What do you think was bad about it?

Post 467 reads as potential scum trying to understand town's opinion, so that he can play around that. It's entirely possible that Pistachion and Amihan are both town (which is kind of what I'm thinking at the moment), and this post is suggesting that our best course of action might be to lynch both.

So the biggest problem is that his only actual content is on the Miller CC. Basically, the only original thought in that post is a suggested play that I think benefits scum, and he hasn't said anything else, so that's all I have to read.

[Spiffeh]

davesaz is definitely town

[podoboq]

Jester is bastard, whoever mentioned that.
Dram who are the 3 scum?

axel podo davesaz

i can see why someone would think these three are scum so that's good i guess

ami and pist are town probably

True Ogre's entrance post is pretty balls.
Withholding vote is fine, ESPECIALLY not after beeboy tells him to vote us and then ogre does.
Look at how terrible withholding vote is there. Ogre OPENLY admits to being unsure of people that they want to sort, that they are considering to maybe be scum, and then just... doesn't vote. nope.
"I will entertain Sakura argument" is basically saying "I don't want to commit yet (which is fine) but i'm not gonna do anything about it (which isn't fine)"
"keeping an eye on axelrod" uh huh.

Can you put this into English though?

What's wrong with him not voting?

1. Ogre targets certain people as "I think these people might be scum but I am not sure"
2. Voting someone is one way to maybe get a bit of that information
3. Ogre waits for beeboy to actually do this and I still don't know why.

So obviously off on this

tonally? this bothers me.

Both of them reading FS as scum makes me question FS pretty strongly.

I think their opinion on Cakez is kind of just bullshit, and I think "ignoring" beeboy is mindless. I'll be re-reading the thread after I get my classwork done this weekend, but in the meantime, based on my skim, I'm pretty comfortable pushing the wagon along.

But yeah, honestly, I think most of my read is coming from town reading Cakez and beeboy. Maybe part of it comes from the skimming. Maybe part of it is something subliminal coming from the Trump icon. I'll be reviewing this weekend, and I don't expect a lynch to happen before then.

podo, do you feel like you're disconnected from the game? I'm bolding this to make sure you don't miss it.

VOTE: podoboq
this is the right vote, hippy, but subject to change

here, town vibes i got since i last posted maybe dramonic, definitely ami, pist, beeboy, probably tammy

-EP

so yeah both heads are here. trump party!

Yeah, honestly, I do. This game moved at a WAY faster pace out of the gate than my newbie game, has over double the players, and most seem to have some meta knowledge on eachother. I considered replacing out, but I think this is a good opportunity to learn, so I'm gonna stay the course.

I'm trying to engage though, and I think I've been providing some value.

If your last few posts are legitimate, and you're willing to engage in the new things that have happened in the game which are unrelated to the wagon on you, then I'm totally happy to unvote here. If in my reread, I reevaluate your slot more positively, then I'm totally happy to unvote here.

[Spiffeh]

Sakura is definitely town

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Is it me or am I failing to see why you're making such a big deal out of this Tammy. /:

[Tammy]

Is it me or am I failing to see why you're making such a big deal out of this Tammy. /:

Which one?

[Tammy]

And is questioning you about something really making a big deal about something? Why are you over exaggerating everything?