A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Cerberus v666]

Nah we aren't lynching Mirhawk today.

This is exactly where we are. And, actually, beeboy, we are. ^^

VOTE: Mirhawk

Unless, of course, something has majorly changed in the 14 pages I haven't read yet. But yeah.

[beeboy]

I'd settle for swords as a lynch today but not Mirhawk.

[Mirhawk]

In separate news, I'm not seeing anything town from Dramonic. Is this normal for him?
<hint for Mirhawk -- which alignment DOESNT KNOW the other person's alignment, so has to ask questions?>

You ask a lot of questions yeah, but what scum have you found with them so far?

Where is it that you think my vote should be other than you? I think you're scum.

[Mirhawk]

Mala/gm are definitely town

No

[Mirhawk]

I'd settle for swords as a lynch today but not Mirhawk.

Also no.

At the very least after my flip it would be come immediately apparent that most of the people on my wagon are full of it.

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, also, as of that quote, I dislike both the beeboy slot and the FS push(the origination of it, at least, I will need to reread FS's later posts)...the whole "Oh yeah, I was buddying them, and they ignored it, and came back a bit later, because they were doing this specific maneuver" fucking reeks of bullshit.

[davesaz]

Mala/gm are definitely town

What's up with using definitely for so many of these town reads? I agree with the direction on most of them but the magnitude is questionable.
Pedit: I said it first, or at least tried to, but you used fewer words.

[Spiffeh]

Mala/gm are definitely town

No

You do realize that this will not phase me, right?

[SirCakez]

tictac and cakez I'm having an issue with as they both seem to be saying *exactly the same thing* with regard to their scumread on me, and I mistook one for the other.

You have an issue with us because we're agreeing on a read? What?

You both seem stuck on me saying I'd withold my vote, and then sheeping.
I've seen scum be adamant about stupid technicalities before. It provides a focus. You don't have to evolve if you latch on to an incosistency that isn't actually scummy.

I'm not stuck on that, it's that Tammy was questioning me over it incessantly. I already said my read on you is improving.

[SirCakez]

Sorry I've been a bit absent recently. Kinda haven't had much to add. Here's a tiny readslist.

TOWN

Amihan: Her gambit has been immensely useful for the town as a reaction test. If she's scum, she made a huge mistake.

Pistachion: I mean, he isn't counterclaimed. I'm not voting pistach unless something pretty serious happens.

beeboy: Too much loud nonsense to be scum. He drew

way

too much attention to himself.

Cakez: I think his perspective on things is very towny. He's open to contribute, engages in just about every conversaiton, and his opinions seem to align with mine for the most part.

SCUM

FriendlessSeniors: Not contributing in a meaningful way, and attacks Cakez for what is clearly bs.

dramonic: The only way dramonic seems to know how to contribute is by flinging shit at people then ducking away and seeing what stuck. He's scumreading people, but refuses to provide any logic as to why. I've asked him why he's scumreading Axelrod, but no response.

Mirhawk: Hate hate hate the response to Amihan's gambit.

Swordsworth: Hate his response about as much, but he has contributed less, so I'm willing to back away from him now on the expectation that there is more to come.


Assume everyone else is null at this point.

This is how I would probably read Dramonic if I didn't know how he played tbh. Good otherwise.

[Spiffeh]

Skybird is scum

[SirCakez]

okay one more thing
i totally exaggerated when i said cakez 690 was worst post in the game
basically that tunneling accusation and the podo read was really lazy that's all

-EP and that's the last you'll be hearing from me for now

I went into it when Pied Piper asked about it, if you wanted more reasoning on it.

[SirCakez]

Cerberus v666 replaces millar13. Vote count and an update to the first post coming in 4ish hours when I get to my hotel.

Omg hi Cerb!

[Mirhawk]

Mala/gm are definitely town

No

You do realize that this will not phase me, right?

That means I shouldn't say it?
I think you're town and would be tickled pink if you would stop townreading scum.
But no, I am aware I can't make you do it.

[SirCakez]

Currently Mirhawk because his reactions to Ami's Miller CC was very questionable, felt like he knew it was fake, and then I really don't like his dave push.

It WAS fake.

How would scum be any more or less likely to know this then town?

Literally the only way for any reasoning following this line of thought to work is for Ami to also be scum.

You're on the scum team, Pistach isn't, someone CCs a Miller claim that third-party doesn't make. Boom you know it's fake.

[Mirhawk]

How on earth would I know its fake?

What does a third party have to do with it?

How does this in any way invalidate my earlier statement?

[Spiffeh]

You think it's a bad idea?

Yes

I also think it's something you're suggesting to seem like you're doing something

[davesaz]

I know I'm going to get blasted for pointless "set-up" speculation, but I don't care. Bring it on.

I do have an issue, but it's not with the setup speculation per se.
There is a lot going on that you might comment on instead of setup. For example, what do you think about Spiffeh's "definite town" reads? How about Dramonic listing scumreads but saying nothing at all about them other than to just list them?

Pedit: Dammit, I wanna be the first one to make a point sometime this game.

[Spiffeh]

8 terrible votes on the wall
8 terrible votes~

want me to drive the wagon off them and onto you?

~M

lol

[Spiffeh]

I despise the way mala is interacting with me this game because I don't think it's fair she can behave however she wants to me and I'm supposed to tip toe around her apparently and can't ask a couple questions without her getting made, but I'm stepping out of this conversation because it's not conducive to anything and will probably just result in anything I say being inflammatory even when it's not meant to be.

You guys should both accept the other is town and move on

[Mirhawk]

Skybird, are you caught up? Any reads?

Yeah, I'm starting to do ISO's now to further my reads but right now here's where I am:

My strongest townread is Tammy. I'm feeling pretty confident she is town. Spiffah is also pretty town.

I'm leaning town on Dramonic. He's playing like he did in the last game I was in with him. I'm also leaning town on you.

I'm not sure about Beeboy. He's making a lot of noise and I don't see his push on FS. But maybe I'm missing something that FS has did that makes him scummy. FS is on my ISO list.

I'm trying to sort Ami right at the moment. I didn't like her statement in 685 because it sounds like she doesn't want to scum hunt.

I have a lot of null reads because they haven't posted or what they posted didn't make a big impression on me.

p-edit: TWL, what am I missing? Ami's post struck me as weird. Why does it not bother you?

Have you ISO'ed anyone yet?

I find your post kind of weird. Mostly due to the fact that the people you comment on are pretty spread out between the various groups of players.

[Spiffeh]

For the record, the reason I responded to this as harshly as I did was because Plot was bothered by someone telling them that they were "droning on about things that didn't matter" when they were trying their best and I know very well how infuriating that is so I dropped in the game to defend them. Thank you for getting the memo and backing off.

Sorry Plot, definitely not my intention to make you feel bad about what you're doing. I just had flashbacks to History 2 and noticed some similarities, which I've come to realize are not alignment indicative

But your subsequent posts look really town to me so yeah

[Mirhawk]

Yes

Why?

[Cerberus v666]

Hey mala, can you fill me in on this FS/Mirhawk connection you referenced in a post I'm too lazy to find and link? It was like literally a p age ago in my catchup, but that would require that I go ack a page, read through the whole page, and then come back to the page I'm on and try to figure out where I'm at, and it's more fun to just describe the process than to actually do it.

pedit: hi cakez, ILU, <3 ^^

[Spiffeh]

K all caught up and I even read ALL of the long posts!!!

Town: {Amihan, Sakura Hana, Tammy, The Pied Piper, davesaz, podoboq, TWL}
Townlean: {beeboy, True Ogre, pistachi0n, SirCakez}
Null: {tictac, Friendless Seniors, dramonic, millar/Cerb}
Scumlean: {Mirhawk, Axelrod}
Scum: {Skybird, Swordsworth}

I think that's everyone

I plan on elaborating on this and answering any questions later but I have to go rn

VOTE: Skybird