A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[beeboy]

Can cakes explain to me the problem with dram votes.

[beeboy]

You'll notice that two of my three scumreads are on my wagon.
HOW CONVENIENT!~

EDIT: I don't think cakez likes me.
EDITx2: I play like this when scum is running around being obv. Why the fuck would I put an effort in the game with three scums screamin around and being ignored?

Spiffeh is still town

[Friendless Seniors]

First a catchup and then I'll do the plot thing

849: I don't see a problem with this progression but goddamn if you think that cakez, beeboy, and we are scum then you got another thing coming

oh damn cerb's in this game! hi cerb!
ok I'm glad that I can write spiffeh as town and accept that

Axel might be town for that readswall as well, 904.
But the whole "active players get towncred" is kinda wtf

Cerb you should interact with people about other things than mirhawk, yeah?
why aren't you doing that?

I will say I think the "EP" head sounds better than the "Hippy" head? At least, as best I can tell, I think most of the posts I don't like seem to be coming from that one, but that could just be the one head not being as good at being scum as the one head just being more Townie. And even the EP head appears to have defaulted to a "Sheep" vote behind another player, so that's not particularly great either.

OK NEVER MIND
WHAT THE FUCK DUDE YOU EXPECT US TO JUST PUSH RANDOM VANITY WAGONS ARE YOU KIDDING OF COURSE I'M GOING TO SHEEP SOMEONE IF THEY'RE SCUMMY HOW DID NO ONE ELSE CATCH THIS
And yeah if you actually wanted to evaluate your reads (as town would do) you wouldn't say "Hey, EP is better but that could be because EP is better as scum" you would say "Hey, how does hiplop play as scum? Is it usually like this?"
The fact that you didn't ask this question means that you're
1. Finding reasons to scum read us that aren't legit
2. Not actually evaluating these reasons because you don't CARE how legit your read is as long as they make your case look good
So yeah, take that previous townread and toss that one in the trash

Why is Swords a bad lynch?

862

also this is terrible
if you think someone is legitimately scum then you go for it, that's the best case scenario, not "lynching someone you kinda think is scum but hoping for that information"
this is a horrible reason to defend swordsworth and the accusations

I thought that explained it pretty solidly. You didn't?

I...guess?
I mean, maybe it's just a playstyle clash
I feel like no matter how many times ogre explains it you know

Repeating question since I didn't see much response to it. I think Dramonic is scum flying under the radar, but I don't know if this is normal for him.

AGAIN
WHY DON'T YOU FIGURE IT OUT BEFORE SCUMREADING PEOPLE?
WHAT

I think it's notable how Dram pops back up the instant he gets a few votes on him.

oh my god
this can't be real

VOTE: Axelrod
dramonic is your vote on axel because if so good

-EP

[Swordsworth]

I'm really sorry to do this to everyone, and I detest replacing out, but I should not have joined this game. I've been out travelling and I haven't had the time to read before posting.

Good luck, fellow townies.

[Friendless Seniors]

I think it's notable how Dram pops back up the instant he gets a few votes on him.

/lawls

Anyways, it seems the thing to do would be to String Pistachio.

Only thing is I'm a little worried about a scum counterclaim on Ami's part.
I mean what if Piss flips Miller? I don't see myself as being comfortable with either way we could go in that case.

So if I'm getting this correctly, people think that Mirhawk knew that Ami was faking a claim because Mirhawk is scum and Ami is not in their role PM
And it looks like Mirhawk isn't really convinced that pis is town, knows that pist will flip town, and as a result drags their feet on the lynch because of the towncred?
Is this right?
Is there something I'm missing?

-EP

[Spiffeh]

That's a scum replace out

[Spiffeh]

EP why do you always sound fake to me it makes me sad

[beeboy]

EP why do you always sound fake to me it makes me sad

[beeboy]

That's a scum replace out

Meh I we should focus our attention to a less dead slot

[Cerberus v666]

EP: there was nothing else notable in my initial read through other than the whole fake claim snafu, and of the things which were connected to said snafu, Mirhawks post IMMEDIATELY made me suspicious of them. That's a weird sensation for me, it's not normal, but I read the couple posts leading up to him voting, and immediately felt like the slot was terrible.

I asked people to ask me questions. They can do that if they want to, and I'll answer.

Also, I might be attempting to be less domineering in this game than i usually am. I've found that I tend to drive all the discussion early game, and it's not very useful much of the time because I'm just kinda nosing around and trying to figure out people, but it all turns into an extended conversation about my slot to some extent.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.13:

Mirhawk:

THE WRONG LYNCH, SirCakez, The Pied Piper, Cerberus v666, Sakura Hana (5)

Friendless Seniors:

SnarkySnowman, True Ogre, podoboq (3)

dramonic:

davesaz, beeboy, Axelrod (3)

Skybird:

Amihan, Spiffeh (2)

Axelrod:

dramonic, Friendless Seniors (2)

SirCakez:

Swordsworth (1)

pistachi0n:

tictac (1)

The Pied Piper:

Tammy (1)

beeboy:

pistachi0n (1)

davesaz:

Mirhawk (1)

Not Voting:

Skybird

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

V/LA:

tictac until 3/29.
Swordsworth until 3/30.
Amihan until 4/1.
Plotinus (of The Pied Piper) until 4/3.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-06 21:00:00)

[SirCakez]

The most active player is always going to get a favorable nod, and I liked his early enthusiasm.

Yuck

Wait wtf I missed this
This is a terrible town tell from Axel

To clarify, are you saying Axel is using a terrible reason to townread?
Do you think he's scum for it?

Yes
That's partially why. His recent Dram push sucks too.

[SirCakez]

Can cakes explain to me the problem with dram votes.

I already did

[SirCakez]

Swords replace out is lol. Feels scum to me.

[SirCakez]

WAIT this means Cheet can join omg
But he'll be in a scum slot

[beeboy]

The swords replace out isn't scum at all

[beeboy]

Cakes what makes the replace out scummy?

[pistachi0n]

I'm going to jump on the Mirhawk wagon.

I was reluctant because I thought some of his earliest posts had good content and I had mixed feelings about his reaction to Ami's gambit. I don't like his recent posts, though:

First off I promised to point out why I think dav's scum.

First off read his iso. Everything until he places his first vote is sidelong comments on other wagons. Half of that is throwing shade with no votes cast.

This is a reach, it also describes the playstyle of Mirhawk himself--he's been making a lot of comments on other wagons.

852 reads like he's trying to get credit for being skeptical/contrarian without backing it up at all.

re 858 why is it horseshit? The post he's responding to is spot-on. And instead of defending himself, he dismisses it.

A lot of his reactions to statements he disagrees with are just "no." Drive by sniping is right.

Ami's only in the pool because I'm paranoid about the miller gambit. I actually find her play kind of town.

?????

[Axelrod]

Yeah, let's do this.

Unvote;

Vote: Dramonic

I wonder why you waited until now. Is it because there wasn't a vote before and you didn't want to be the first?

It was more like, I went to bed, woke up, saw several votes for Dram, another underwhelming response from him, and decided that was a better use of my vote than where it currently was.

[Axelrod]

OK NEVER MIND
WHAT THE FUCK DUDE YOU EXPECT US TO JUST PUSH RANDOM VANITY WAGONS ARE YOU KIDDING OF COURSE I'M GOING TO SHEEP SOMEONE IF THEY'RE SCUMMY HOW DID NO ONE ELSE CATCH THIS

MAYBE YOU AND I DONT USE THE SAME TERMINOLOGY BUT TO SHEEP SOMEONE IS TO VOTE THE SAME AS ANOTHER PERSON WHO YOU THINK IS TOWN JUST BECAUSE YOU TRUST THEM NOT VOTING SOMEONE BECAUSE YOU ALREADY THINK THEY ARE SCUMMY.

And yeah if you actually wanted to evaluate your reads (as town would do) you wouldn't say "Hey, EP is better but that could be because EP is better as scum" you would say "Hey, how does hiplop play as scum? Is it usually like this?"

I'm noting a difference in the posting between the two "heads" where one was coming across scummier than the other and I'm acknowledging this right in the post because, gee, I'm actually open to re-evaluating my reads. I'm basically thinking out loud in that post. And I love you telling me what I would and wouldn't say.

I think it's notable how Dram pops back up the instant he gets a few votes on him.

oh my god
this can't be real

You don't think it's at all interesting that Dram just appears to ignore the game completely until someone actually votes for him, at which point he's suddenly present and posting all over? Doesn't that suggest a player who's actually been paying attention the whole time but choosing not to post or do anything remotely useful?

[pistachi0n]

Because he always plays like this regardless of role p sure and its not a good reason to wagon him for.

What is a good reason?

[True Ogre]

(back in about 12 hours. busy scourging underworld last few days. read up to end of page 40.)

[pistachi0n]

I am commenting on things as I see them. I'm really not quite sure what you are getting at with the spread out comment.

In my head I have the town separated into several groups based on who they talk with the most as well as which wagon they're on.

The people in your list aren't ones I associate with each other.

Do you really think associative tells are a reliable way to hunt for scum on day 1 of a 21 player game?

[beeboy]

I still don't feel inspired to vote Mirhawk

[Tammy]

I am prod-dodging! See you tomorrow!