A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[beeboy]

what game?

[SirCakez]

@cakes
What do you mean fence sitting? Fence sitting is when I don't take a stance on a popular wagon with lots of info. Sakura isnt a popular wagon nor is there any solid alignment indicative posts from her yet.

Yes a lot of my posts are about Seniors but that is a fallacy because of my post count
.

Since when is that fence sitting?
You're waffling everywhere on Sakura.

Why is waffling a problem?

It's an out for scum changing reads to fit the game state better. And it shows no conviction in reads which is another scum sign.

Ok in my defense this "discussion" on waffling is 1 post so I was never really wining.

How was I changing my read to fit the state of the game better when Sakura was mass town read and the push to begin with would go against this statement?
I have lots of conviction to my reads that directly contradicts the tunneling argument that you are making against me.

because you were pushing Sakura then suddenly stopped it. Like this should be obvious.

[SirCakez]

If anything tho i'm more concerned about SirCakez totally ignoring my switch from Mirhawk who i was strongly pushing earlier towards him whom i barely commented on.

You actually looked in my ISO apparently, so it's more justified then Beeboy's rando switch earlier.

[SirCakez]

what game?

Open 623
That game sucked >.<

[beeboy]

because you were pushing Sakura then suddenly stopped it. Like this should be obvious.

It wasn't sudden we had a solid discussion.

After having a discussion with someone why can't someones read change?
In particular what about the change in my read was scummy?

[SirCakez]

What solid discussion? You voted and unvoted within 8 posts.

[beeboy]

97 - I declares she was probably scum
120 - I changed my mind

[SirCakez]

Look at 116 then 120

[beeboy]

So it wasn't the progression of my read but the progression of my vote?

[SirCakez]

Both

[Sakura Hana]

I don't even...

[Sakura Hana]

Tbh i think you're both town.
VOTE: Mirhawk
Back here.

[beeboy]

Geez I suck at engaging scum reads.

[pistachi0n]

Geez I suck at engaging scum reads.

Ok...I side-eye any sort of self-deprecating post in this game.

[beeboy]

Geez I suck at engaging scum reads.

Ok...I side-eye any sort of self-deprecating post in this game.

I do it a lot.

[Cerberus v666]

Geez I suck at engaging scum reads.

Ok...I side-eye any sort of self-deprecating post in this game.

How do you react to self-congratulatory posts?

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Sorry!

I had a midterm so I took the last few days to focus on that. <.<

(it's so odd saying midterm when the class is 1 month to being over >.>)

I kinda skimmed things, but I haven't really had time to process it yet.

I should tomorrow though<3


-m

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.14:

Mirhawk:

THE WRONG LYNCH, SirCakez, The Pied Piper, Cerberus v666, Sakura Hana (5)

Friendless Seniors:

SnarkySnowman, True Ogre, podoboq (3)

dramonic:

davesaz, Axelrod (2)

Skybird:

Amihan, Spiffeh (2)

Axelrod:

dramonic, Friendless Seniors (2)

SirCakez:

Swordsworth, beeboy (2)

pistachi0n:

tictac (1)

The Pied Piper:

Tammy (1)

beeboy:

pistachi0n (1)

davesaz:

Mirhawk (1)

Not Voting:

Skybird

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

V/LA:

tictac until 3/29.
Swordsworth until 3/30.
Amihan until 4/1.
Plotinus (of The Pied Piper) until 4/3.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-06 21:00:00)

[pistachi0n]

Geez I suck at engaging scum reads.

Ok...I side-eye any sort of self-deprecating post in this game.

How do you react to self-congratulatory posts?

It depends on the player.

[Amihan]

V/LA hitting a lot harder right now; nothing urgent to say but I'll be back in full after the weekend most likely. Sorry.

[Amihan]

Would not be okay with Mirhawk lynch as opposed to Skybird or Swordsworth. Yes that was very likely a scum replace out. Talk about how replacements are null all you want, but the way and conditions under which you present your replacement request circumstances matters.

[pistachi0n]

Would not be okay with Mirhawk lynch as opposed to Skybird or Swordsworth. Yes that was very likely a scum replace out. Talk about how replacements are null all you want, but the way and conditions under which you present your replacement request circumstances matters.

I don't understand what was scummy about his replacement. He was overwhelmed and busy, he had given a V/LA beforehand, I'm reading his inactivity and replacement as he has too much going on.

[The Pied Piper]

IDK why it felt out of place, but it did. Doesn't matter about the history. I agree with you about Beeboy. I already said prior to GM townreading him that a lot of it was noise. (I brought it up before tammy though<3.)

Eh, I think there's more people deserving of votes or even scummier that I would rather lynch over a forced policy lynch. I'm okay with Mirhawk as a lynch and actually more recently I'd be okay with a FS lynch too. There's other players not really playing that are more of a /better/ policy lynch than Beeboy.

I'm not really sure that Dav being an easy target? IDK I'm pretty sure that if he wanted to pick an easier target he could have

I can see where you're reading into the Beeboy v FS. I'd pretty much be okay with one of the lynches today being {FS or Mirhaw}.

That's what bothered me most about the Mirhawk post around the miller claim. It felt like he saw right through it and that he was fencesitting himself to go either way and kinda show that he knew Ami was lying.

If Mirhawk flips scum; I'd prob say that FS could potentially be a huge partner.

What exactly do you want to know regarding my Mirhawk push?

~M

(ugh i can't really speak today. idk why im rattled, but if that didnt make sense let me know)

Hey Mala

Fair enough about Sakura. About beeboy, you probably did bring it up first; I was going from memory.

I'm not interested in seriously lynching beeboy, it was more an expression of frustration with the way he was playing than anything. I'm townreading him and I'm glad that he's toned it down recently. I'm also not interested in policy lynching anybody when I have serious scumreads but hypothetically who would you be interested in policy lynching?

Davesaz being an easy target is something I sort of picked up from games of his that I've read that he tends to get wagonned early on for playstyle stuff or approaching the game differently than other people and so he feels himself to be an easy target, but he feels himself this way as both alignments. He wasn't the player I was focusing on in the games of his that I read, though, so I don't really have a feel for him. Are you both townreading Davesaz or just goodmorning?

Nacho asked me if I thought Mirhawk should know this stuff so I looked it up and they haven't played together before. I can retract that point I guess, though I still think Mirhawk is scum.

I didn't have a question about your Mirhawk push; when I said I was interested in it, I was trying to say that I was interested in supporting it and helping you lynch him, I just didn't phrase it well.

Which three players does Sakura remind you of?

Hope things get better for you.

[Mirhawk]

I'm going to jump on the Mirhawk wagon.

I was reluctant because I thought some of his earliest posts had good content and I had mixed feelings about his reaction to Ami's gambit. I don't like his recent posts, though:

First off I promised to point out why I think dav's scum.

First off read his iso. Everything until he places his first vote is sidelong comments on other wagons. Half of that is throwing shade with no votes cast.

This is a reach, it also describes the playstyle of Mirhawk himself--he's been making a lot of comments on other wagons.

852 reads like he's trying to get credit for being skeptical/contrarian without backing it up at all.

re 858 why is it horseshit? The post he's responding to is spot-on. And instead of defending himself, he dismisses it.

A lot of his reactions to statements he disagrees with are just "no." Drive by sniping is right.

Ami's only in the pool because I'm paranoid about the miller gambit. I actually find her play kind of town.

?????

You literally ISO'ed me and picked at a bunch of random shit nobody had mentioned yet. Despite the effort into making the post it feels super lazy as well. I don't think you looked very closely at the posts I was responding to, which if you had a problem with my responses you should have.

Me and Dav's playstyles are pretty different seeing as how I've been calling half the town scum, whereas Dav still hasn't gotten around to calling me scum despite voting me all game. Lots of people have commented on multiple wagons, does that mean we all have the same playstyle? I feel like you only brought this up to pad your case.

How could I get town credit for 852? In order to get credit for being skeptical of someones opinion I would need the subject of that opinion to die and flip. If you'd actually bothered reading the post I was complaining about you would have known that piper was talking about me. Was my plan to get town credit after I was dead or something?

I also would have assumed you would notice that TWL's post that 858 is talking about my early game. I mean are actually agreeing that my early interactions with Dav were a drive by? Or that despite the fact that it was a drive by they still managed to be really good questions? Or that despite the fact that they were really good questions, they weren't connected to the game? You tried to twist this into being about my later posts, and all the power to you on that. But my problem was the early game bit.

I also note that despite saying you're jumping on my wagon, you.... didn't?

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

Maybe Sakura is right.
I want to reread a few things before I inevitably vote seniors again.