Micro 596: Longnight Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Maestro]

VC 1.02

GROUP 1

BlueTrin -

0 / 2

Not_Mafia -

0 / 2

Ranger -

0 / 2

GROUP 2

Rhaegar -

0 / 2

Postie -

0 / 2

Killthestory -

0 / 2

GROUP 3

This is my username -

0 / 2

TheTrollie -

1 / 2

- PantherPunt
PantherPunt -

1 / 2

- This is my username

With

[9]

alive it takes

[2]

to Lynch in each group.

In this specific setup, "No Lynch" is not an option.

ACTIVITY CHECK & NOTES

:

N/A

Deadline is in ... (expired on 2016-04-09 11:22:00)

[Killthestory]

Sorry for the absence, I'm really tired right now. I'll get back to you guys later

[Ranger]

What's the big deal about explaining it anyways when you've been asked politely by several people?

Because it's early-on. I simply don't feel like explaining until it's more relevant.

[Ranger]

{This is my username}
{TheTrollie, Postie}
{Killthestory, Not_Mafia}
{Rhaegar}
{BlueTrin}
{PantherPunt}

[PantherPunt]

If you're not Mafia, Trollie is Mafia because her content is rather lackluster and lazy compared to mine.

I would call this a rather lackluster and lazy answer.

VOTE: PantherPunt
Mostly RVS,

a little bit serious.

I'm getting bad vibes from his comments on the lurkers.

I didn't really believe the case anyways, it was likely a playstyle thing but seemed worth mentioning.

It got some conversation going, like I wanted.

I know you didn't try to call either of them as scum, what does that even have to do with this?

Postie, would scum actually make a case (underlined) in RVS to create discussion (bolded)? That would be an anti-scum move.

This is a very pingy post.
1.) It's defensive when it didn't seem like defense was necessary.
2.) The logic is poor because scum want to appear towny; so, saying you can't be scum because you engaged in discussion isn't really a valid arguement (and I would contend that I am the one who generated/drove that discussion, but it's moot).
3.) In my experience, the perspective of "If I were scum, I would have/would not have done X" tends to come from scum more often than town. Town don't typically have any reason to think that way. They just say "I was doing X to try to accomplish Y." Not a lock-tell of course. Can you cite any completed town games where you offered this perspective/argument?

[PantherPunt]

What's the big deal about explaining it anyways when you've been asked politely by several people?

Because it's early-on. I simply don't feel like explaining until it's more relevant.

Ranger, I get that it's a little bit early in the game. But, how do you expect anyone to be able to get a read on you if you don't explain your thoughts and how you arrived at your leans? When can we expect this to come?

[PantherPunt]

made a potential perspective-slip

I didn't catch this. Can you point it out to me?

Postie - in looking through your ISO, I realized I didn't respond to this request. Here's where I pointed it out:

[snip]
p-edit: Panther, why are you casing Trollie and I when only one of us can be scum? Who are you most suspicious of?

[snip]

And I know only one of you can be scum. Odd that you didn't add a "from your perspective" caveat to that and could be considered a slip (speaking with a perspective that you KNOW I'm town.) but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there

I am trying to sort out your alignments. Asking questions is how I do that. it may seem aggressive and like I'm scumreading both of you, and that's ok. Its how I'll solve which of you is actually town.

This is nitpicky but I'm a nitpicky player in case anyone hasn't noticed
If she said "Panther, from your perspective, only one of us can be scum." But she didn't say "from your perspective" she just said "only one of us can be scum" which could be a slip. She can say that it should have been clear that she was framing it from my perspective, which is why I said I'd give her the benefit of the doubt on that and that it's not a definitive slip.

[Not_Mafia]

Will catch up in the next 3 days

[Rhaegar]

... Well thanks for replacing in then...

[Ranger]

But, how do you expect anyone to be able to get a read on you if you don't explain your thoughts and how you arrived at your leans?

By looking at my lists and guessing how I came to construct them that way.

[Killthestory]

a good scumhunter need not discuss how they came to their reads

[This is my username]

But, how do you expect anyone to be able to get a read on you if you don't explain your thoughts and how you arrived at your leans?

By looking at my lists and guessing how I came to construct them that way.

Ranger explained his reads clearly in Shortnight, when he was Town.

[snip]
p-edit: Panther, why are you casing Trollie and I when only one of us can be scum? Who are you most suspicious of?

[snip]

And I know only one of you can be scum. Odd that you didn't add a "from your perspective" caveat to that and could be considered a slip (speaking with a perspective that you KNOW I'm town.) but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there

I am trying to sort out your alignments. Asking questions is how I do that. it may seem aggressive and like I'm scumreading both of you, and that's ok. Its how I'll solve which of you is actually town.

This is nitpicky but I'm a nitpicky player in case anyone hasn't noticed
If she said "Panther, from your perspective, only one of us can be scum." But she didn't say "from your perspective" she just said "only one of us can be scum" which could be a slip. She can say that it should have been clear that she was framing it from my perspective, which is why I said I'd give her the benefit of the doubt on that and that it's not a definitive slip.[/quote]
Pronoun: He

2.) The logic is poor because scum want to appear towny; so, saying you can't be scum because you engaged in discussion isn't really a valid arguement (and I would contend that I am the one who generated/drove that discussion, but it's moot).
3.) In my experience, the perspective of "If I were scum, I would have/would not have done X" tends to come from scum more often than town. Town don't typically have any reason to think that way. They just say "I was doing X to try to accomplish Y." Not a lock-tell of course. Can you cite any completed town games where you offered this perspective/argument?

Scum would not want to try and advance RVS. Generating discussion as scum would be anti-scum. A much better option would be to lurk until someone else creates content, or they could post random things that look useful but aren't really.
There is one I can think of, but it's rather early in my Mafia career. I'll link it:
http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.p ... opic=58266

[This is my username]

messed up the quote, oops

[BlueTrin]

Maestro please replace me out

Just so you know I PMed Maestro 1 days ago to be replaced, I'll be more busy at work in the next days and cannot commit to this game.

Posting here in case Maestro didn't receive my PM

Apologies !

[Maestro]

Maestro please replace me out

Just so you know I PMed Maestro 1 days ago to be replaced, I'll be more busy at work in the next days and cannot commit to this game.

Posting here in case Maestro didn't receive my PM

Apologies !

I responded to this but I guess it didn't go through. More details to come.

[Postie]

Scum would not want to try and advance RVS. Generating discussion as scum would be anti-scum. A much better option would be to lurk until someone else creates content, or they could post random things that look useful but aren't really.

Generating discussion can help town lynch scum, but looking scummy when you're scum helps town lynch scum much more easily; if you look town, town can have all the discussion they want and they still won't be likely to lynch you. Therefore, for scum, looking town should trump holding back discussion. Which means that they need to create useful or useful-looking content, such as content that moves the game out of RVS. So, sorry, you're not getting any townpoints for that from me.

[This is my username]

I disagree with you but will not be able to convince you otherwise, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Maestro]

TheTrollie

is on V/LA for roughly (expired on 2016-04-01 12:32:00).

RadiantCowbells

replaces

BlueTrin

, effective immediately.

[PantherPunt]

Welcome RC. Just went back and looked and realized we didn't actually get to play together in n1626. I replaced in after you already died. That was a..uh..rough one. And actually noticed notmafia was backup mod to that game. So there's two people I have semi past connections to.

Anyways..hope activity picks up.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have not gotten my role PM but I was fairly sure this slot was town or I wouldn't have replaced in.

I think it's Ranger but I haven't read in depth.

[Postie]

RC! HI!

[RadiantCowbells]

You better not be scum because I'm not and I wanted to bus you.

[PantherPunt]

Also, again
UNVOTE: thetrollie
For the time being
TIMU - what was your name in that game you linked?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think there's got to be a rule against me having posted before I got my role PM.

Postie, why are you townread if you're town D:

That's not a thing damnit.

[Maestro]