A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[davesaz]

Someone asked who has played with me before and would have seen questions of my style. Easy enough, though we should be well beyond this already.

Skybird
The Pied Piper (Plotinus/nachomamma8) (both heads)
Friendless Seniors (hiplop/Errantparabola) (both heads)
Sakura Hana
Ranger
Cerberus v666 (as hydra, don't remember with whom)
Spiffeh
THE WRONG LYNCH (Malakittens/goodmorning) (both heads)
pistachi0n
True Ogre (as unnamed main/other alt??)

@Ranger, I haven't seen the catchup via page by page read list style before, it's interesting. I think I'd rather see commentary on why the changes, but I can verify that it's much more common to see this style list from you than prose, at least early.

[Ranger]

Ranger I defended you like all game in Mafiaception lol

I thought you were one of the main pushers? You, hiplop, Gorkington, and Fro99er are all I really remember from that game, and I remembered you all disagreeing on some important things but agreeing on literally everything else outside of paranoia and I thought that was among them. I suppose I could have misremembered, though.

I feel like there are going to be gaps in our interaction until you catch up

I read the current stuff as I see it, which is after I make a post. Like now.

[Ranger]

{Tammy, SirCakez, beeboy, Amihan}
{The Pied Piper, Skybird}
{Cerberus v666}
{SnarkySnowman, pistachi0n, Sakura Hana}
{dramonic, Axelrod, davesaz}
{Spiffeh}
{The Wrong Lynch, tictac, Mirhawk}
{Friendless Seniors}
{True Ogre}

Should waited until the

end

of page 14 before making a list.

[Ranger]

357 is dead on the money, but I'd like to add: hiplop's naked vote on pistachi0n served the same purpose. Everyone else who voted pistachi0n looked like they genuinely felt like they were pursuing a scumclaim, but hiplop gave absolutely nothing. (Yes I can tell it was hiplop.) And Mirhawk gave 324.

[podoboq]

OK, so this progression from Ranger is fantastic. Screw everything I said about Sword's potential as a scum slot.

[Ranger]

{Tammy, SirCakez, beeboy, Amihan}
{The Pied Piper, Skybird}
{Cerberus v666}
{SnarkySnowman, pistachi0n, Sakura Hana}
{dramonic, Axelrod, davesaz}
{Spiffeh, The Wrong Lynch}
{tictac, Mirhawk}
{Friendless Seniors}
{True Ogre}

398 also feels like a scum-Errant for what it's worth.

[Ranger]

{Tammy, SirCakez, beeboy, Amihan}
{The Pied Piper, Skybird}
{Cerberus v666}
{SnarkySnowman, pistachi0n, Sakura Hana}
{dramonic, Axelrod, davesaz}
{Spiffeh, The Wrong Lynch}
{tictac, True Ogre}
{Friendless Seniors, Mirhawk}

Same page, reordering accuracy. This is a more accurate reads list.

[podoboq]

There is basically no need for this level of specificity, and it's highly appreciated.

[Ranger]

475, minus beeboy (as Spiffeh said, beeboy's town), plus Mirhawk (but

not

pistachi0n), is basically where I'm at now if you couldn't tell.

Unfortunately, I have to leave soon (just enough time to read the current posts), so I'll leave with half the game finished, and a reads list currently looking like this:
{Tammy, SirCakez, beeboy, Amihan}
{The Pied Piper, Skybird}
{Cerberus v666}
{SnarkySnowman, pistachi0n, Sakura Hana}
{dramonic, Axelrod, davesaz}
{The Wrong Lynch, podoboq, Spiffeh}
{tictac, True Ogre}
{Friendless Seniors, Mirhawk}

Cerberus is honestly a rogue tier. He could be placed in any tier above tictac that's not the untouchable-town tier right now, and it wouldn't be out of place honestly.
Other than that, the tiers are approximately: {Untouchable, decently-strong town, town, mostly-town, town-with-minor-reserves, probably scum, most definitely scum}.

[podoboq]

Maybe I shouldn't be townreading Axelrod, but he's right about Dramonic, and using his opinion on Dram as a reason to scumread him is either:
"1. Finding reasons to scum read us that aren't legit
2. Not actually evaluating these reasons because you don't CARE how legit your read is as long as they make your case look good"

Look at this entire gourmet platter of a case that I give on Axelrod and you focus on the tiniest shrimp and say that it's rotten
Do you have anything to say about the actual reasons why Axelrod is scum?
-EP

OK, well if you actually read 1178, you'd see that I commented on everything in your wall that was discussing Axelrod, but whatever. I'll get to your new arguments later when it's not Survivor night, but judging by the way you completely misrepped me right there, I'm not entirely confident that it's going to warrant a full response.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Seniors

[Mirhawk]

Mirhawk, in post 345 was a question to Sakura asking her thoughts on TWL and Dave. She responded to you immediately after in post 346. You say nothing in response. In post 878 you respond to Spiffeh calling TWL town with a no. Ten posts later you tell Spiffeh to quit townreading scum. If you are scum reading TWL why haven't you voted for them? Further, why aren't you pushing them?

p-edit: bad podo.

Is anyone aside from me even scumreading TWL? Seems like a waste of time.

[pistachi0n]

Mirhawk, I'm re-reading the thread and working through ISO's. That's why you see the question to snarky.

And I never said I was good at this game. I just enjoy playing it.

This is the first Skybird post I think is really scummy.

Why do you think it's scummy?

"I never said I was good at this game. I just enjoy playing it" seems like flippant scum defending being scumread.

[podoboq]

Mirhawk, I'm re-reading the thread and working through ISO's. That's why you see the question to snarky.

And I never said I was good at this game. I just enjoy playing it.

This is the first Skybird post I think is really scummy.

Why do you think it's scummy?

"I never said I was good at this game. I just enjoy playing it"

seems like flippant scum defending being scumread

.

10 points to pistachi0n for a spot on read.

[pistachi0n]

Mirhawk, in post 345 was a question to Sakura asking her thoughts on TWL and Dave. She responded to you immediately after in post 346. You say nothing in response. In post 878 you respond to Spiffeh calling TWL town with a no. Ten posts later you tell Spiffeh to quit townreading scum. If you are scum reading TWL why haven't you voted for them? Further, why aren't you pushing them?

p-edit: bad podo.

Is anyone aside from me even scumreading TWL? Seems like a waste of time.

Are you looking for validation?

[Axelrod]

Welcome Ranger.

I really like this reads progression you are doing, but it would be even better with a little more commentary on what is making people shift around for you.

[Axelrod]

Beeboy if you got to decide all by yourself right now, who would you lynch?

And if you were unable to pick that person, who next?

[Mirhawk]

Are you looking for validation?

Are you looking for a reason to call this scummy?

[beeboy]

Beeboy if you got to decide all by yourself right now, who would you lynch?

And if you were unable to pick that person, who next?

Ez, the EP head of seniors.
if that fails
The Hiplop head of seniors

[Axelrod]

Cute, but seriously, who would be your next choice after Seniors?

I'm asking because you

are

jumping around a lot.

[beeboy]

Cakes or TicTac

[Axelrod]

That's partially why. His recent Dram push sucks too.

What is awful about his dram push?

I think it is pretty plausible for anyone unfamiliar with dram to be scum reading him.

That could explain the initial push. But I explained how Dram always plays like this and he's still pushing it.

I mean, are you agreeing that (without considering this person's specific "meta") that the way he's playing is scummy? That's the first question.

If you don't think it is, then, we're just not even in the same ballpark in terms of how to play this game.

If you agree that it's scummy, but just not for

him

, because

he

always plays like this, my question to you is, what do you do about it? Because it sounds like you're just giving him a pass (because you think he's impossible to read?)

Whereas I think, if he gets voted, and he doesn't want to get lynched, it's going to make him play better and either show he's actually town, or, not.

[podoboq]

That's partially why. His recent Dram push sucks too.

What is awful about his dram push?

I think it is pretty plausible for anyone unfamiliar with dram to be scum reading him.

That could explain the initial push. But I explained how Dram always plays like this and he's still pushing it.

I mean, are you agreeing that (without considering this person's specific "meta") that the way he's playing is scummy? That's the first question.

If you don't think it is, then, we're just not even in the same ballpark in terms of how to play this game.

If you agree that it's scummy, but just not for

him

, because

he

always plays like this, my question to you is, what do you do about it? Because it sounds like you're just giving him a pass (because you think he's impossible to read?)

Whereas I think, if he gets voted, and he doesn't want to get lynched, it's going to make him play better and either show he's actually town, or, not.

^^^^ SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN BACK ^^^^

[SirCakez]

Omg Ranger's reads are pretty fantastic.

[Axelrod]

Okay, (1) I haven't said "Seniors is scum" and don't expect to say that anytime soon with any degree of certainty. This is just an early vote for me.

I didn't like the way you sidled up to the Seniors vote and then came in with a big definitive assessment of what made them scum in 298. It seemed overjustified considering you'd already been saying that Seniors were worth a vote. And while I acknowledge that could have come from some suspicion of beeboy and then a reverting of heart from you, I find it rare that town articulates their conviction behind a vote, by way of a long and strong post in that manner.

Oh good God, how many times do I have to say this?

When I said that Seniors was "worthy" of a vote I was NOT BEING SERIOUS. I WAS JOKING. At that point in the game, I had zero opinion of Seniors. Or, my opinion was that he hadn't yet done anything. Certainly not enough to justify how much BeeBoy seemed to be pushing him.

And then, it was that series of posts, in succession, that made it worth a vote to me. So I quoted the whole thing. I don't get how you think this is an "overjustification" or too "long and strong." That was actually a pretty short and to the point summary of why I was voting, for me.

And since then, I haven't seen any reason to move the vote. He's complained that Beeboy's tunneling him, but not done anything to change his mind either. He got all sulky and said Beeboy sucked the "fun" out of the game for him, which I could easily see happening to a scum who's getting caught for what they think are garbage reasons.

This is untrue. You moved your vote immediately to pistachion when Ami counterclaimed Miller.

Well, yes, that's correct. I moved the vote when the Miller thing came up, and when that got cleared up I went back to where I was before. Maybe I should have said that

Seniors

hadn't given me any reason to move the vote.

I notice you're now voting dramonic along with davesaz.
Weren't you suspicious of davesaz almost the entire game up till now, liking Mirhawk's push on him and disliking davesaz' push on Mirhawk?

What has happened here with your reads?

I am still suspicious of Davesaz. He's far from "clear." But I liked his vote on Dramonic. That was something.