A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[beeboy]

Ranger you have no reason to understand my scum game. Explain.

[beeboy]

Like 1 game on an alt or a spectated game wouldn't warrant that statement.

It's a gap but I am scum reading you for more than just that,

[beeboy]

I am going to sleep. I am only lynching between Seniors/Ranger today.
Tunnel goggles yo!

[True Ogre]

Okay I found what you're referring to there beeboy.

beeboy I can read well enough and I can tell you his early enthusiasm is basically the exact OPPOSITE of his scum game, so there's reason for that.

preedit:
Tell me about your take on Axel when you return please :)
nighters

[Ranger]

Ranger you have no reason to understand my scum game.

Except yes I do?

I don't know what you're expecting me to say here. I say yes, you say no.

You might want this to keep going, but I think it should stop.

[True Ogre]

Is it too onerous for you to mention or link the game you played in previously where he was scum?

[Ranger]

Yes.

[True Ogre]

What do you like about Cakez?

[True Ogre]

Or did you want me to ask about your non-top-tier reads instead.

I had Sakura as town early but I think she's decided to coast now and I'm more used to her being involved rather than a side-note. Perhaps she's just found something comfortable in this game where she doesn't need to worry about being attacked constantly and I shouldn't worry, but it's odd to me. What are your thoughts there?

[Schillinger]

I really like this reads progression you are doing, but it would be even better with a little more commentary on what is making people shift around for you.

Well if you want it, just ask.

For instance, if you asked, "what changed between pages 6 and 8?", then I would answer to the best of my ability, and then give bonus cred by further saying what the

current

read is.

I'm not gonna spend that time by default.

Omg Ranger's reads are pretty fantastic.

Well, I

do

have a reputation to uphold!

I mean the least you could do is try to elaborate given the above.

[True Ogre]

I really like this reads progression you are doing, but it would be even better with a little more commentary on what is making people shift around for you.

Well if you want it, just ask.

For instance, if you asked, "what changed between pages 6 and 8?", then I would answer to the best of my ability, and then give bonus cred by further saying what the

current

read is.

I'm not gonna spend that time by default.

Omg Ranger's reads are pretty fantastic.

Well, I

do

have a reputation to uphold!

I mean the least you could do is try to elaborate given the above.

^oops, me.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.17:

Mirhawk:

THE WRONG LYNCH, SirCakez, The Pied Piper, Cerberus v666, Sakura Hana, Ranger (6)

Skybird:

Amihan, Spiffeh, Mirhawk, pistachi0n (4)

Axelrod:

dramonic, Friendless Seniors, True Ogre (3)

Friendless Seniors:

SnarkySnowman, podoboq (2)

dramonic:

davesaz, Axelrod (2)

pistachi0n:

tictac (1)

The Pied Piper:

Tammy (1)

Ranger:

beeboy (1)

Not Voting:

Skybird

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

V/LA:

Amihan until 4/1.
The Pied Piper until 4/3.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-06 21:00:00)

[SirCakez]

I think Ranger is town here tbh. Her play is reeking of her town game, I read Mafiaception and her play is nothing like it was there.

[podoboq]

So I think Ranger is obvtown here, but even if she isn't, what does it honestly matter for today's lynch? We were probably going to lynch Mirhawk or FS anyway.

I suggest we proceed as normal. If today's lynch flips scum, what does that say about Ranger? If they flip town, we can reassess.

In case this is some super complicated bussing, I'd suggest FS as our lynch tonight since Ranger is voting Mirhawk. Plus, this way we can get beeboy on the wagon.

VOTE: FriendlessSeniors

If there's a flaw on this logic, someone please point it out to me.

[beeboy]

Ranger why where your town reads so sticky? 4/4 of your town RVS reads stuck throughout your entire read list?

Like that is really lazy scummy progression.

[beeboy]

So I think Ranger is obvtown here, but even if she isn't, what does it honestly matter for today's lynch? We were probably going to lynch Mirhawk or FS anyway.

I suggest we proceed as normal. If today's lynch flips scum, what does that say about Ranger? If they flip town, we can reassess.

In case this is some super complicated bussing, I'd suggest FS as our lynch tonight since Ranger is voting Mirhawk. Plus, this way we can get beeboy on the wagon.

VOTE: FriendlessSeniors

If there's a flaw on this logic, someone please point it out to me.

Effort doesn't equal alignment Ranger's read progression sucks.

[beeboy]

@all I want all your reads on me, ranger and seniors

I want to get discussion going

[Tammy]

I'm enacting skim the game agogo and then I'll go back and read the quote stripes later

maybe

and look back and stuff I've been ignoring (this is more likely than the quote stripe reading :/)

You really do need to listen to the people who have played with me before. Not that one vote really matters that much, but wasted effort that doesn't go into finding scum becomes harmful after a point.

In separate news, I'm not seeing anything town from Dramonic. Is this normal for him?
<hint for Mirhawk -- which alignment DOESNT KNOW the other person's alignment, so has to ask questions?>

BTW, I agree with your position on Swordsworth. Given a choice between a flip that yields information and one that doesn't, the information is more important early game. If we need to PL lurkers it can be done later in the game if/when we run out of useful PR results, if any. (this may change if we reach deadline though)

Pedit: the above in reply to Mirhawk.

Sakura & Speffeh -- Hopefully Swords will start posting after V/LA, and it would not surprise me for it to be an easy sort when he does.

Anyway, I remember being suspicious of dave early on. I like this post though so my early suspicions might be off base.

[Tammy]

Currently Mirhawk because his reactions to Ami's Miller CC was very questionable, felt like he knew it was fake, and then I really don't like his dave push.

It WAS fake.

How would scum be any more or less likely to know this then town?

Literally the only way for any reasoning following this line of thought to work is for Ami to also be scum.

You're on the scum team, Pistach isn't, someone CCs a Miller claim that third-party doesn't make. Boom you know it's fake.

This makes absolutely no sense at all.

[davesaz]

Ranger's replace-in as scum in Open 627 was similar to this one, though much shorter. I don't remember seeing her town replace-in so it's not enough info to make a definitive call by itself. However I find the Tammy read especially troubling, since her second post wan't until page 20. I would never give a read on a single RVS only post, much less a top of the list read, and can't think of a town motivation to do so. Now that I've seen Ranger's scum game this looks pretty suspicious. I also got some feeling that she wanted to enter the flow with her reads agreeing with the majority.
VOTE: Ranger

[beeboy]

{Tammy, Seniors, Ranger, Cakes, Tictac, Sakura, TWL}


I am going to be honest I think a lot of people are scum and none are in the process of being lynched.

[beeboy]

And pressure is directed at a lot of my own reads this game is wtf

[beeboy]

Dave thanks for being so towny.

[Tammy]

This whole argument with mirhawk being scum because he knew ami was lying is like wtf are you people serious.

Does anyone have anything better than this for reading him as scum because like really people?

I'm actually really serious. Those who want to lynch him, can you tell me why he's scum without referencing the miller thing? Please and thank you.

[podoboq]

Ranger's replace-in as scum in Open 627 was similar to this one, though much shorter. I don't remember seeing her town replace-in so it's not enough info to make a definitive call by itself. However I find the Tammy read especially troubling, since her second post wan't until page 20. I would never give a read on a single RVS only post, much less a top of the list read, and can't think of a town motivation to do so. Now that I've seen Ranger's scum game this looks pretty suspicious. I also got some feeling that she wanted to enter the flow with her reads agreeing with the majority.
VOTE: Ranger

I wasn't given pause by beeboy, but this is making me reconsider. I still think the best course of action is to continue as normal for the day, and reevaluate during the next day. One of Mirhawk or FS is almost definitely scum, and scum!Ranger would probably deflect onto the townie, so why not move forward with the person who wasn't her target in case it's a ruse?