A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Tammy]

Ranger I defended you like all game in Mafiaception lol

This is true! The way I remember that game was most everyone was town reading Ranger (I was at one point as well!), and I got a bunch of blowback from some people when I scum read her, and I don't think she would have gotten lynched if I hadn't have used my action on her that made her obvscum when her other partner got lynched.

[Tammy]

I don't think I've ever seen a town!Dramonic, but the couple times I remember seeing him as scum he was just as minimalist as he is now, but he actually tried to look like he was scum hunting, not just the blatant nothing but droning on about a couple reads he has.

Not helpful but there you go.

[Tammy]

can someone explain why they feel that way?

Not really, but I actually feel empathy for you at that point. Tammy's posting did feel like a betrayal, but there's no tangible reason for why. She's not scum, so maybe it's her pushing someone who is also clearly not scum? (beeboy.)

I was wracking my brain trying to figure out what this referred to. He was trolling me.

[Tammy]

Ranger's entrance and catch-up feels town to me.

It kinda does to me??

I don't really like the fact she put Tammy up at a top tier when she was absent for like pages at a time and before that her posts didn't really sway me either way.

Idk.

It's just feels made up

~M

What does me being gone for pages have to do with anything? And why are you acting as if you're a barometer of reading me when you have literally no idea how? And why, if you have such a problem with people coming to the correct assumption I'm town aren't you questioning anyone else on their town read, including oh you know the one you specifically asked?

Why do all your posts feel like flinging mud and sniping instead of scum hunting?

Not that I want to get into a conversation with you because holy moly but this is a further example of you being allowed to pick at me but holy shit if I question you. It is not fair or right.

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That being said I was a huh when she had me as a top town read before I'd done anything besides RVS post. The last two games I played with Ranger she was scum and did reads similarly, but from what people who were defending her in machina said, this is pretty much what she does as far as reads starting from rvs. So IDK.

[Tammy]

Okay. Here's my take on Tammy.

I really liked the burst of energy and the pushes on Mala and Nacho which seemed like efforts to engage them and sort them. They were different but they were present. It also felt a little like she was posting without care for how whe was appearing to others. Now what I don't like is the periods she's been absent, and I also have a suspicion surrounding the way she directly defended my own position. Even though it was correct and I had a rise in my chest when she stated things I thought were obvious, I've seen defenses of town come from scum just as much as from town. Her defense didn't seem shady but I really want her input into the game and there's no way at this point she's untouchable town on day 1 and without seeing more of her and the way she carries herself further.

I could almost say the inverse (roughly speaking) for the Mala/GM hydra although there are a couple of more obvious pingy things that make me put them into a nullscum bracket.
(Inverse is a bad way to characterise what I've seen here by the way, but I'm trying to get across that I have similar thought patterns that end up in different conclusions, for both slots).

So that's an explanation. I don't get yours much. It seems a bit mastina-ey in that nothing's really expanded upon except for your own process, and believe me whenever she and I have played together but separately I've tried to reach out to her on that front. I want a bit more, I want some internal workings to match with my own. I'm trying to do the same here with you.

Heh, people will just have to get used to periods of absence. I'm extremely busy and M-Th are toss ups on if I have time for mafia. But I try to make up for it on the weekends when I don't have time during the week!

I didn't start out as a defense of you as I hadn't really paid much attention to your posts or what you might have been doing in the beginning. In the beginning I was trying to determine cakez and nail down that backtracking accusation. Mid-conversation I looked at what you were doing and read back to try to figure out if there was anything scummy about it and decided there wasn't.

[Tammy]

This whole argument with mirhawk being scum because he knew ami was lying is like wtf are you people serious.

Does anyone have anything better than this for reading him as scum because like really people?

I'm actually really serious. Those who want to lynch him, can you tell me why he's scum without referencing the miller thing? Please and thank you.

I was scum reading Mirhawk and had voted him before the miller thing because he was pushing on me for my early questioning. It felt like scum trying to look like scumhunting while staying off the major wagons. Then his reaction to others pushing him on miller seemed pretty genuine, and I don't really like those knee-jerk "ooh, he knew too much so it's a scumslip" kind of cases. I'd be willing to compromise there as we get closer to deadline but have my doubts.

I liked his early push of you though because I was suspicious of you based on your thing with axel and the hydras. I don't think that staying off the major wagons so early in the game is a reliable tell. Wagons don't typically go through that early anyway, and there are people like me who exist who don't even pay attention to who early wagons are and just pick up on a thread that interests them.

I just don't get the mirhawk hate.

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Nacho when you get back into the game can you please talk to me about this one? IIRC from skimming your quote stripe you've got him as scum. I dunno why?

[Tammy]

I speak as the obvscum he caught in Mafiaception.

this is wrong. Spiffeh hard defended you all game? You might remember a certain friendless senior caught you.

AHEM

[Tammy]

spiffeh you're kinda null to me but EP is townreading you. Even when you're scum, I'm always willing to work with you spiff

Eh

[Tammy]

When you say quote stripes do you mean the multi quote of a lot of posts, or snipping a big post into smaller bits to respond to them, or big pyramids of quotes instead of responding to the latest?

Big pyramids of quotes are annoying to read because they are cluttery, but they're less disorienting.

The other two are what I'm referring to. Snipping a big post into smaller bits to respond to them always has me going back and double checking who the heck they are referring to and sometimes it feels like it's several people, though that is the less disorienting of them.

The most disorienting is the long quote stripe replies with just a sentence or question to them. Some people are worse than others at them because some people just respond to too much stuff that isn't geared to any real purpose and the disorienting effect is really bad, but others just take me a while to get at the point being made.

[SirCakez]

^^^ this flurry of posts is town.
Cerb where's the ISO you said you would do on me :/

[Mirhawk]

For instance, a lynch on Mirhawk will elevate Amihan and pistachi0n to truly-confirmed-town, among others. It also would reveal many of the strong Mirhawk pushers as being town. (I'd have to skim to name them all and why they're not bussing.)

I could MAYBE see an argument for me flipping scum making Ami town, but Pistachion? No way.
Also what strong Mirhawk pushers? Most of the people voting for me are voting for "reasons", and not a single person on my wagon is trying to convince others to vote for me.

I think Ranger is being manipulative to get who she wants lynched.

If by manipulative, you mean being completely and entirely blunt and unsubtle about who I want lynched and pushing them hard? Then, yes. There is zero ambiguity; I want one of {Mirhawk, Friendless Seniors} lynched.

No, by manipulative I meant that you deliberately left Skybird out of the lynch pool to try and make people think he wasn't a viable lynch. I don't know why I'm even bothering to answer this, you know what you did.

I'll be honest, I started to townread Mirhawk after this. He saw a flaw in logic, was calling people on it, and then when I explained my logic, and he didn't see a flaw in it, he conceded that I had a fair argument. I don't see town bending like that.

lolwut

Ok ya Seniors is still scum. Mirhawk has just kind of vanished too.

I've only been gone for 18 hours, most of which was overnight. Why did you bring this up? Do you want something in particular?

[SirCakez]

Huh. It felt like it had been a lot longer, never mind that then.

[Tammy]

All right, I still feel like I'm missing a decent chunk of the game but I guess it could be just names that didn't signal with me while reading.

Town reads I feel pretty decent about right now of varying degrees: beeboy, true ogre, davesaz, amihan, spiffeh...you know the easy ones! Pied Piper might be here if I read their posts more (I will I promise, sorry guys!)

Everyone else has a post or two I liked but I'm left without a strong scum read right now, yes on page 62 suck it. I guess the closest I'd come is Friendless Seniors, but I somewhat like a little bit hiplop's posts but gods do I dislike pretty much every post I've read of EP. I'll probably end up voting there just because all the cool kids are doing it. Actually I don't know who's doing it, I just think EP's posts sound so fake and what that yeah I'd probably be cool going there.

I don't understand the mirhawk hate. Like every single post that has been made against him concerning the miller claim thing is just so extraordinarily hate hate kill kill that I'm having a hard time taking it seriously and want to town read him as a result. I don't see anything scummy at all concerning his treatment of the miller/miller counterclaim situation, so I'm just left scratching my head at the whole thing. The lining up lynches argument is what, the fencesit argument is what, the he knew it was a fake claim argument - without actually positing that one or the other was scum - is what. I'm just a big ball of what. If he's scum it's not for any of the reason posited so far.

I'm completely up in the air about skybird. I do think spiffeh's town so I'm his read a bit more seriously, but that's pretty much the only person I'm taking seriously on skybird. My problem here is that I've only seen her scum once, and I think given some more time and posting from her that I'd be able to figure it out, but she is such easy lynchbait. I think people find her scummy in most of her games. In smite, I had her as town and I think I had to argue with people the entire game because she read really town to me but her play comes across as scummy to people. So things like her saying she's not good at this game but enjoys playing it doesn't read at all to me like flippant scum who's just trying to not be scum read. That being said there's a lack of a certain oomph here. I don't know how to explain that though.

I'm surprised that sircakez is town reading me as I thought I'd be his bread and butter for a scum read. So, I'm just not sure what to do with that.

Not sure what to do with Ranger either. I do believe Ranger that this type of posting is typical for her regardless of alignment, and in the past couple games I've played with her in which she was scum she looked relatively town to me until a point where I was like eh wait. I actually don't have a problem with the rvs reads posting as from what I gather that's her thing. And considering that the last two times I've played with her she's been scum and had me as a town read and as a scum read, I don't think that she has me as someone she thinks she has to town read. Also, contrary to some people's opinions I think when I actually did start posting, I was pretty town. Biased read I know but I know what makes me town, so. The two top scum reads for the ones she has are convenient only if they are both town. Actually this isn't fair, what I'm trying to say is that I won't be able to make a kind of determination of her reads list until we get a flip or two.

My biggest concern right now is that Ranger understood my first post to Nacho and figured out what musical I have. I'm in a quandary right now.

Oh and I have absolutely no clue what to do with TWL. There's a certain bitchy bite to mala's posts that a year or so ago I'd have probably assigned a town because she had a somewhat understated meek scum game. But she says she prefers scum now, or at least that's what she said the last time we hydrad and the past two times I saw her as scum she definitely was not a meek little mouse. But she does feel way too snippy and mudslinging than scum hunting, and while I'm used to her nitpicking, reaction testing, and thinking she can meta read people she can't, I don't remember the snippy mudslinging. Maybe I'm biased but I do not think it makes sense at all for her to make Post 659 which acknowledges that I'm going to be asking her questions and then for her to react the way she did to me actually asking the questions I asked, which I do not think were rude in any way; I didn't cross the line or nitpick in a way that was rude. Yes, I got snippy after because it's insanely frustrating for someone to react to you the way she does while thinking that it's perfectly a o fucking kay to scum hunt you in the nitpickiest manner possible. So don't know what to do here. I might not be the most objective here, but I was right on her being scum the last game we played together. Why I wanted Nacho to talk to me about this read was because he recently caught good morning in a newbie game and he was onto good morning in the wedding invitational, so even if I don't trust his ability to read malakittens early, I think he has a decent handle on how to read good morning.

[SirCakez]

I thought I'd be his bread and butter for a scum read.

Wtf does that even mean

[dramonic]

I don't think I've ever seen a town!Dramonic, but the couple times I remember seeing him as scum he was just as minimalist as he is now, but he actually tried to look like he was scum hunting, not just the blatant nothing but droning on about a couple reads he has.

Not helpful but there you go.

Im very helpful, i caught three scum.
You guys are just too [redacted] to lynch them :3

[Spiffeh]

dram or Snarky to be vigged tonight pls

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.18:

Mirhawk:

THE WRONG LYNCH, SirCakez, The Pied Piper, Cerberus v666, Sakura Hana, Ranger (6)

Skybird:

Amihan, Spiffeh, Mirhawk, pistachi0n (4)

Friendless Seniors:

SnarkySnowman, podoboq, Skybird, beeboy (4)

Axelrod:

dramonic, True Ogre (2)

Ranger:

davesaz, Friendless Seniors (2)

dramonic:

Axelrod (1)

pistachi0n:

tictac (1)

The Pied Piper:

Tammy (1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

V/LA:

The Pied Piper until 4/3.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-06 21:00:00)

[Cerberus v666]

^^^ this flurry of posts is town.
Cerb where's the ISO you said you would do on me :/

I never said when I'd do it, I just said I'd have to do one. :/

Tonight is date night. Won't happen till tomorrow evening at the earliest. Sorry.

[Friendless Seniors]

this is frustrating.

Not a single good reason.

Congrats beeboy, your shitty nothing noise throwing convinced tammy.

[beeboy]

this is frustrating.

Not a single good reason.

Congrats beeboy, your shitty nothing noise throwing convinced tammy.

I appreciate it!

[Ranger]

The last two games I played with Ranger she was scum and did reads similarly, but from what people who were defending her in machina said, this is pretty much what she does as far as reads starting from rvs.

I can give the story behind this if it'd interest you. Short version: how I was raised playing off-site; we refer back to the RVS (which is most of D1) constantly. I wouldn't normally give analysis until D4 or so, but I still compile reads with reasons in my head.

I meant that you deliberately left Skybird out of the lynch pool to try and make people think he wasn't a viable lynch.

Well, she

isn't

a viable lynch.

I won't be able to make a kind of determination of her reads list until we get a flip or two.

This is a fair method of reading me.

VOTE: Friendless Seniors.
I know, Mirhawk wagon was bigger, but the two wagons are now tied, so it's close enough.

[The Pied Piper]

I know some people (Mala, hippyloppy, Spiffeh, tictac, maybe a few others) have reached out to me specifically and I've been trying to reach out in return but it's hard to find the words, but I appreciate it, thank you.

Hi, I'll be VLA until Monday. I did not anticipate this, so I'm really sorry that it came up and especially sorry to hiplop. If anyone has urgent questions for this head, then please direct me to them as I'll be checking rather infrequently.

-EP

I hope everything's okay for you.



I feel like I have a lot of live stitches dangling right now but I intend to pick all of them back up before they ladder.

[Spiffeh]

I think tictac might be scum

[Spiffeh]

His whole catch up post looks like busy work and he never pushes pistachi0n who he is apparently voting for

Like did anyone else know that?

[Spiffeh]

Podo did you read the ISO I linked?
Snarky is a quality vig shot, no point wagoning him.

Why have you been shooting things down this entire game without bringing much of anything better to the table?