Ok, this does make more sense taking into account your own separate reads on FS and Mirhawk. You think Ranger is probably town, but if she's scum then it's more likely that she's voting town, and you happen to have a stronger scumread on the person that she's not voting, so it fits together.↑ podoboq wrote:So if Ranger is town, I think FS and Mirhawk are both equally good options. This is what I consider the most likely possibility.
If Ranger is scum, she is has narrowed her choices down to be the two highest scum reads of town (at the time). I think that this would be a play to get towncred. In this situation, let's assume that one of FS or Mirhawk are scum and the other is town. She would choose the push the town's wagon instead of the scum's wagon. So on the low chance that she's scum, lynch the person she ISN'T targeting, because in the case she's town, both options are equal anyway.
I don't think that Ranger is wrong about her reads, I just read Mirhawk differently. Either I'm wrong about my read on Mirhawk, or Ranger is scum. I think the former is more likely. I'm more confident in my townread on Ranger than my townread on Mirhawk, so if it came down to it, I would follow Ranger on this.
I think it's okay to townread her for the claim on day 1, or to have her in the pile of things to be dealt with later. I've seen uncounterclaimed millers of both alignments before, but it's not something we need to resolve right now.podoboq wrote:Yeah, I'm townreading pistachi0n because of her (not countered) claim. Maybe that's the newb in me showing. I honestly haven't seen anything else form pistachi0n I'd consider indicative enough for me to read her, or maybe I missed something in skimming.↑ The Pied Piper wrote:Is your townread on pistachi0n based solely on her miller claim or on something more? Can you point to some other posts of hers that you liked?
Can you talk some about the reads you're having trouble with, saying what you like about us and what you don't like or what your reservations are that are holding you back from a more solid read? It's okay to be unsure; waffling isn't a real scumtell.
I've found that sometimes thinking out loud about a read can help me make up my mind or help me figure out what I need to do to get a stronger read.
As for the people I can't read, this comes mostly from skimming on my part. I'm not reading everyone's walls in depth usually unless they're asking me questions. If I had to guess, I've liked you (PP) and TWL on the most part, and disliked Cerberus. I'm gaining more confidence in my read on Cerberus because of his attack on Ranger for switching between FS and Mirhawk.
I know that's not a complete answer, but it's the best I have at the moment. I'm expecting after n1 to have a lot more direction in ways to go about doing reads. In party games (which are most of my experience with mafia) we call this part of the game day 0, and people aren't expected to actually form reads of any kind. This part of playing the game is new to me, so I'm putting a lot of weight into concrete things (like pistachi0n's claim), and still learning how to get actual reads from more nuanced things.
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Generally if I'm townreading somebody for one reason I like to see if I can approach that read in a few other ways too. If I like one or two things about them and the rest is null then that's okay but the more reasons I have to like a person, the happier I am.
Thanks for the explanation of the rest. Day 1 takes practice. I think you're right that things will make more sense on day 2. 21 people is also a lot to keep track of; it's okay to focus in on a smaller group of players, too. I find in larges a lot of people just focus in on a handful of people at a time because it's too much to take in at once. As long as everybody doesn't pick the same handful, it's fine.
