A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[beeboy]

Wait did you just go from disagreeing with the Ranger lynch to voting her in the same page or am i seeing things.

No that is exactly what happened.

[The Pied Piper]

But, assuming you're really asking "Why do you think Seniors is the best vote right now (beyond what you already said in the post where you voted for him)." I don't know what else to say. His first vote was essentially an OMGUS vote on a lurker. He then made one decent post (#190), and went right into the series of post for which I voted him. (#252 and sequence). Those posts were all just bad.

I think that it would help me considerably if you dove into why these posts were bad; as it stands, what you've posted so far was just directing me to posts you dislike which doesn't really do much for me (I can't really tell if you'd like a post or not but I can figure out whether I think you're likely to believe something for the reasons you've given).

The reasoning overall is sound, but it's starting to feel too much like people harping on a town logic error. Mirhawk's responses don't even sound that bad (I might even be starting to like him read-wise), and how people from all across the board just enter taking only a short time to vote Mirhawk... I'm getting the impression that scum really like this wagon.

I probably can't word it very well right now, but I do think that the way that he defends himself sounds town (like he doesn't understand where his attackers are coming from, like he's just waiting for one little thing to be explained and then everything will be okay) even if the substance of his defense is still garbage.

In short what I'm saying is I'm seeing a scenario that Mirhawk is conveying (somewhat) but that others are ignoring: he had negative personal experience with Millers and instinctively didn't like my claim, and just didn't fully think it through, as town. I think there is a decent chance of that having happened.

His back and forth posts with Spiffeh where it's like they're talking past each other (mostly Spiffeh having to try and get Mirhawk to understand his point of why it looked scummy) seem to lend this credence.

My problem with this line of reasoning is that I see no reason why instinctively not liking a miller claim would force him to vote along with it like he believed it, and I don't really think any of his explanations get at why that particular line of thought was so wonky. You are absolutely correct that most Mirhawk conversations about the Miller bit feel like we're just talking past each other, so I guess I'd rather back off for now and look elsewhere.

[The Pied Piper]

Wait did you just go from disagreeing with the Ranger lynch to voting her in the same page or am i seeing things.

I feel better about games when I'm caught up and know what's going on; I had sort of hoped that I could talk to Spiffeh and get a quick read someone and lead a wagon, but, again, I'm a lot happier in my play when I'm actually looking at everything instead of trying to force a magical read. As a result, I'm catching up. I'm fine voting Ranger for now because Swordsworth was a reasonably strong scumread of mine; if I see something while I'm catching up that I feel strongly about, I'll change it, but not until then.

[Sakura Hana]

I had sort of hoped that I could talk to Spiffeh

What happened with me requesting you to talk like ages ago.

[SirCakez]

All of these PP posts have been Nacho, correct?

[The Pied Piper]

Nacho do you agree with my assessment of TWL's most recent post?

Not really, no.

As disengaged scum, I'd imagine Mala's top priority would be making sure that a scumbuddy didn't get lynched here.
As disengaged town, it makes sense that she would prioritize reading Tammy/I; I don't think she'd be expecting to find a strong scumread outside of Ranger/FS and then have the clout to push it through.

Does that make sense?

[The Pied Piper]

I had sort of hoped that I could talk to Spiffeh

What happened with me requesting you to talk like ages ago.

Spiffeh was engaged and pushing a strong read. You weren't.
My interest was finding a scumread that I could feel good about and push immediately in a reasonable amount of time; talking to Spiffeh seemed like it had a chance of doing that, remembering that I flaked on us talking ages ago and then talking about (what exactly, it's not like I have a solid grasp on what's going on) didn't.

[The Pied Piper]

All of these PP posts have been Nacho, correct?

Yes.

[Sakura Hana]

I had sort of hoped that I could talk to Spiffeh

What happened with me requesting you to talk like ages ago.

Spiffeh was engaged and pushing a strong read. You weren't.

So me trying to read you isn't important?

[The Pied Piper]

No, I actually did dodge it, and then disappeared when pressed again. Mirhawk already pointed this out when he returned afterward.

THANK YOU.

God this makes me feel so much better.

This feels undeniably genuine, though.

I'm really sorry to do this to everyone, and I detest replacing out, but I should not have joined this game. I've been out travelling and I haven't had the time to read before posting.

Good luck, fellow townies.

Saying he hasn't had time to read before posting is kind of like subtly pinning the blame on why he might seem scummy on not reading, which is... ridiculous, and makes his "here's a list of top suspects that are my scumreads and here's a generic question to go along with them" make even less sense.

[The Pied Piper]

I had sort of hoped that I could talk to Spiffeh

What happened with me requesting you to talk like ages ago.

Spiffeh was engaged and pushing a strong read. You weren't.

So me trying to read you isn't important?

You trying to read me isn't important as me trying to end up with a lynch that I'm happy with, no.
Do you think it should be?

[Sakura Hana]

I had sort of hoped that I could talk to Spiffeh

What happened with me requesting you to talk like ages ago.

Spiffeh was engaged and pushing a strong read. You weren't.

So me trying to read you isn't important?

You trying to read me isn't important as me trying to end up with a lynch that I'm happy with, no.
Do you think it should be?

It is important for me!

[The Pied Piper]

I'm going to jump on the Mirhawk wagon.

Pistach, this post reads kind of weird to me. Like, you post that you're jumping on Mirhawk and then give reasons why and then don't do it? Were you still deciding at this point whether you wanted to vote him or not?

Ugh I feel like I have too many townreads and someone is dogging me

I'm starting to think I townread Mala/gm too easily

Weirdly enough, I agree with this when I read it this time; I don't have a scumread on the slot but I'm probably giving underestimating both by townreading them at this point.

That's partially why. His recent Dram push sucks too.

What is awful about his dram push?

I think it is pretty plausible for anyone unfamiliar with dram to be scum reading him.

That could explain the initial push. But I explained how Dram always plays like this and he's still pushing it.

He also explained why "Dram always plays like this was a dissatisfying answer. Why did you disagree with that?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm just gonna go back to grinding on ToS

[Axelrod]

So everyone know's where I'm coming from. I'm a Carolina grad., and I live in Chapel Hill, and last night was the most brutalist of gut punches. The last thing I feel like doing is posting in a Mafia game. But, I actually take my game commitments seriously (unlike a lot of the people in this game), so here I am.

Axel you are scum

But, tell me how you really feel.

Axel, on your homesite, is it customary to claim at L-3?

There's no customary. I know a lot of people say that L-2 is the "appropriate" time for someone to claim, but that's kind of an unwritten tradition. The reality is we're right at the deadline and FS is closest. It's stupid to wait. And personally, I'd rather have a claim as soon as possible, so there could still be time to course correct.

I also have reasonable faith in my own ability to suss out bogus claims.

So, why is Ranger scum?

Now, see, this is just ridiculous.

Ploti hydra is prob town~

I'm liking both nacho and ploti so <3.

Also ploti I know that Tammy is busy, but it wasn't her absent that I was calling out, but the baseless read by ranger on a few posts that didn't even feel like alignment indicative.

Also Tammy we got off on the wrong foot, can we shake paws and start this over again. I'm sorry for getting defensive and I'll try to control it.

-M

Ditto.

It's like they are acting completely oblivious to the situation we are in. Tell me my vote sucks, but at least I'm taking a position.

Like their play as it gets down to the wire here is really not ok

Yes.

But, assuming you're really asking "Why do you think Seniors is the best vote right now (beyond what you already said in the post where you voted for him)." I don't know what else to say. His first vote was essentially an OMGUS vote on a lurker. He then made one decent post (#190), and went right into the series of post for which I voted him. (#252 and sequence). Those posts were all just bad.

I think that it would help me considerably if you dove into why these posts were bad; as it stands, what you've posted so far was just directing me to posts you dislike which doesn't really do much for me (I can't really tell if you'd like a post or not but I can figure out whether I think you're likely to believe something for the reasons you've given).

I will just put everything I don't like about FS in my next post.

[Tammy]

Hippy - why aren't you trying to get me to see she's like mafiaception? I was there too, scum reading her, and I'm the one who used my role to prove she was scum. Feels weird you wouldn't be pointing out the similarities to someone who actually lived the game.

That said I'd probably prefer a ranger wagon to a fa wagon. Gonna sleep on it, and yeah a claim from either would be nice. Deadline isn't too far away. I will be back in plenty of time for that. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Friendless Seniors]

hello, this is EP.
something very emotionally difficult has happened to me and I hope you understand that I don't think i'll be able to really spend time on mafia for the time being.
thank you for being understanding, especially to hiplop.
I will be more than willing to do an awesome catchup when I get back.

[Cerberus v666]

hello, this is EP.
something very emotionally difficult has happened to me and I hope you understand that I don't think i'll be able to really spend time on mafia for the time being.
thank you for being understanding, especially to hiplop.
I will be more than willing to do an awesome catchup when I get back.

<3 I hope everythings alright. I know we're not exactly close friends, but I love and want to help everyone so...just know that I'm here if you ever feel you need to talk.

[Cerberus v666]

Hmm. That should have probably been a PM.

Sorry all.

Okay, so, umm, yeah, I haven't done anything I wanted to do for this game. But I expect to basically have infinite free time over the next *time until deadline* so, I'll start working on that.

[Axelrod]

hello, this is EP.
something very emotionally difficult has happened to me and I hope you understand that I don't think i'll be able to really spend time on mafia for the time being.
thank you for being understanding, especially to hiplop.
I will be more than willing to do an awesome catchup when I get back.

Okay, I am seeing this as I am typing up my other thing, and I just want to say I'm really sorry to hear you are having a difficult time. Mafia games are super low priority to real life. You do what you have to do.

[Axelrod]

I'm going to go make my post a little less snarky now. This is like a good life lesson. No reason to be mean to other people. It's just a game, and in theory we're all here to have fun.

[Friendless Seniors]

Hippy - why aren't you trying to get me to see she's like mafiaception? I was there too, scum reading her, and I'm the one who used my role to prove she was scum. Feels weird you wouldn't be pointing out the similarities to someone who actually lived the game.

because you haven't been around >____<

[Skybird]

Hey EP, I hope everything turns out alright. *hugs*

[Spiffeh]

Mirhawk: THE WRONG LYNCH, The Pied Piper, Cerberus v666 (3)
tictac: SirCakez (1)
SirCakez: Tammy (1)
Skybird: pistachi0n (1)
Axelrod: dramonic (1)

In case it wasn't clear, we are now in "scramble for a lynch before deadline" mode

Meaning these people need to pick a side (*coughvoteforRangercough*) if they haven't already.

Or face my wrath if we run out of time

[Spiffeh]

Or someone voting for Seniors needs to realize that they are voting for town over scum and switch