[MINI 1778] BuzzFeed UPick Mafia DUPPIN'S QUARTERS (D1-N1)

[RadiantCowbells]

I think you are somewhat reaching on Trollie, yeah.

What depth of thought are you seeing in his last line exactly?

[RadiantCowbells]

FTR, I will not be voting Nahdia today or most likely ever.

Mae$tro, answer please.

Nahdia, I do see where you're coming from and I think Mae$tro could be scum but I can also see him as town. What are your thoughts on Clumsy and Broseidon?

[Maestro]

get rid of the $ you keep putting in my name

[RadiantCowbells]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idlewild_(novel)

[Nahdia]

What are your thoughts on Clumsy and Broseidon?

Kinda spoke to this in the public thread. Clumsy I felt was awkward in that one post where I said he implied you were town, but from my experience with him "awkward" isn't completely out of the ordinary.

BROseidon I said I liked. I think this was just because I liked kuribo so I approved of BRO's approval of kuribo. I didn't think much of his vote on Maestro. sure it could have been opportunism but this early I think he's smart enough to know someone might see it as that if he' scum, and I honestly think it's just as likely that he is just trying to exert pressure and make something happen.

So yeah, two very waffley, "Idk lol" answers for you. but that's my thoughts so far :S like I said my day 1's tend to be crap~

[Nahdia]

Are you just trying to get a rise out of BRO so you can read him better or do you legit scumread him to that extent?

[RadiantCowbells]

I do scumread him to that extent. I'll walk you through it in a minute.

[RadiantCowbells]

What are your reads on other people in the meantime?

Anything new?

[Nahdia]

Sorry for v slow replies, at work.

[RadiantCowbells]

No rush!

[Nahdia]

still liking kuribo. i think his making a show of whether he should pledge or not doesn't come from a scum perspective. scum might dance around it but making that big show and drawing so much attention early feels like town to me.

this is cold meta so i know it's like, super hypocritical of me but awhile back when i first joined the site I read League of Legends mafia and this hiplop feels like the hiplop from that game. you were in that game so maybe you have a better perspective on that :p obviously it's a bit early to be making calls like that and meta is frequently a cause for misinterpretation for me but that's where im at.

no clue on spiffeh. nothing about him has struck me. 171 was one of those posts i feel is generally scummy but when a good player makes them (is spiffeh considered good? i think of him as good) i tend to think they're town purely because i'd expect them to avoid saying something like that (shooting down early townreads) as scum. if that makes any sense.

im actually not sure on Maestro. i put a lot of pressure on him because i tend to be really aggressive especially when i know im town and people are speaking to the contrary. the biggest weakness in my play though is my tendency to OMGUS way too often and be easily pocketed, that's how i lost Legend of Zelda mafia :\. i like starting fights early on because that's how things tend to happen but i tend to be way too unwilling to accept anyone can't recognize i'm town when i'm town lol >_>
anyway uh kind of got rambly talking about myself but yeah idk on Maestro.

why are you asking for my reads if you're fairly sure im town? you need reassurance or..?

[RadiantCowbells]

No, because I want to know what your reads are to help me with my own reads and especially to help me PoE some townreads.
I mean I could just ignore you, I do have your vote already!

[Nahdia]

to be totally honest, i sort of took you for the type to not care much for others' reads~ i mean, i did tell you my day 1's suck anyway, and you seem plenty confident in yourself. it just surprises me to know you want me input.

[RadiantCowbells]

Urgh that's not really true.
I do pay attention to other people's reads and I hate the common assertion that I don't.
It's just that when I end up pushing things I don't specifically say 'oh and I liked X's case back in Y', I just say my own part of it and MAYBE reference that other people had that view.
I mean if I'm like dead certain someone's scum and someone else has a major scumread that I disagree with I'm probably going to somewhat ignore it but when someone else catches scum I'm happy to jump on it.

[Nahdia]

well sorry if you feel i misjudged you. i don't think my opinion is worth much this early on, hence partly why i gave you my vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well okay!
I will treat you like my vote slave and ignore all your opinions from now on.

[Nahdia]

hot.

[Nahdia]

I do scumread him to that extent. I'll walk you through it in a minute.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vote slaves say please when they want things.

[Nahdia]

should i kiss your boots and call you master too, while im at it?

[RadiantCowbells]

well I'd say yes but that would probably make Maestro uncomfortable.

[Nahdia]

aww no fun.

please

provide said walkthrough of BROseiden read, if you would be so kind

[RadiantCowbells]

Just a few of the big things while I work on making it into a comprehensive case:

1) Associatives with Clusmy slot.

In #66, he votes clumsy but in #67 he immediately unvotes saying wait that's L-1.
The time between that post is 1 minute. I find it difficult to believe he placed the vote, checked it,
So if he was thinking the dude was scum he'd follow up on it once no longer L-1 right? WRONG.
He hasn't brought up or addressed the Clumsy slot sinec.
And the other thing that's fuckign ridiculous is that the clumsy wagon pushers all pushed a Clumsy/Bro scumteam idea and voted him.
If he were town, he'd immediately flip his shit and be worried that we were Clumsy scumpartners trying to lynch him to town Clumsy by association.
But instead he goes from vote to vote looking for the next shiny thing and parks on Maestro.

[RadiantCowbells]

2) Not looking for scum intent.

Why do you dislike RC's post and like kuribo's? I'm inclined to like them both (both making a good point), and they both have PRs that are ~probably~ town PRs.

Way too quick to write me off as town.
This will be especially important when I can follow up on it more later.

He crumbed it to me and it's probably town.

Because it's a really, really fucking dumb PR when it's scum.

Way too quick to assume that shit is town.

Gamma I don't think you understand how I play.

Assuming lack of understanding over scum intent immediately.
No explanation for the Maestro scumread, for the record, he just jumps right on.

I want to talk to RC about the Maestro/Nahdia stuff b/c his reaction to it was like "naw it's fine" even though there's some stuff there that clearly indicates that *something* is up.

Like what the fuck?
I AM THE ONE IN HERE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON.
I AM THE ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY SAID TO EACH OTHER.

This feels so fucking scum intent trying to get traction on a wagon so he can get Maestro lynched and NK me.
I really don't like this.

Like, you're calling it "manipulating the gamestate," I call it "doing things."

This is so not how town would answer this.
Like, this is basically agreeing that he's manipulating the gamestate but spinning it.

Everyone should consider a pledge to RC a vote for me at this point b/c RC's a dick.

And this is a holy grail of bad.

What is he making a point about? That town players shouldn't pledge me because I'll vote Broseidon?
Why isn't he saying anything about, say, scum pledging me to get that lynch through to defend Maestro?
Like this feels incredibly like someone who is talking to town and knows that they are talking to town.

[Nahdia]

thank u. i will bounce ideas off tomorrow. for now tho: