Mini 1778 — BuzzFeed UPick Mafia — Game Over

[Marquis]

@MOD: I will be V/LA this weekend April 15th-17th.

Noted.

[Gammagooey]

Man that's pretty legitimately dissapointing.

@Ranger- I don't really see why you're scumreading me unless you're basically hard-pairing kurio and I. Can you fill me in? I will say that I voted bro over clumsy in the post you mentioned solely because his personal attack on RC was abhorrent, and I'd like to see people get immediately lynched whenever they try bullshit like that instead of it getting shrugged off and it becoming another thing that's tacitly tolerated and then used by others to argue for the alignment of that player one way or another later in the game.

@Clumsy- answer this for me please

You've seemed to be really tunnely, mainly on me and Bro. While I don't disagree on Bro, I do find people that tunnel seem to be more often scum. I tunneled on a guy named Shrike the entirety of D1 as my first game, which I was scum. Other than that just gut. Like I said though, it's to a lesser extent. Not sure I would want you as a lynch today.

i personally disagree with tunnelling as a scumtell but it's a fine enough surface level reason so whatever. what makes you think my own particular brand of tunneling would be a scumtell? Why would tunneling make the game easier for me or make my position better as scum?

If you want to base it off of what you were thinking at the time of voting me that's even better, but even if you didn't think about it at the time I still want you to go over it now and use this to basically evaluate the reasons for your read and what you think my underlying motivations for what I'm doing are.

[Marquis]

VOTECOUNT 1.15

(0)

Aristophanes

—

(+2)

Ranger

—

Aristophanes, hiplop

(+1)

Clumsy

—

Gammagooey

(0)

Errantparabola

—

(0)

Gammagooey

—

(0)

hiplop

—

(+1)

KuroiXHF

—

Spiffeh

(+1)

Maestro

—

Clumsy

(0)

Nahdia

—

(+1)

Spiffeh

—

Ranger

(0)

RadiantCowbells

—

(0)

TheTrollie

—

(+6)

NOT VOTING

—

TheTrollie, RadiantCowbells+Nahdia+Maestro+Errantparabola, KuroiXHF

With

12

alive

, it takes

7

to lynch

.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2016-04-18 01:00:00)

(Mon Apr 18 @ 1:00:00 AM EST)

.

NOTES

Clumsy

is V/LA from Fri Apr 15 to Sun Apr 17.

Awaiting prod response from

Maestro

.

[Spiffeh]

RC we have four days and it would be nice if you could share your brilliance with time to spare for actual discussion

[Clumsy]

Man that's pretty legitimately dissapointing.

@Ranger- I don't really see why you're scumreading me unless you're basically hard-pairing kurio and I. Can you fill me in? I will say that I voted bro over clumsy in the post you mentioned solely because his personal attack on RC was abhorrent, and I'd like to see people get immediately lynched whenever they try bullshit like that instead of it getting shrugged off and it becoming another thing that's tacitly tolerated and then used by others to argue for the alignment of that player one way or another later in the game.

@Clumsy- answer this for me please

You've seemed to be really tunnely, mainly on me and Bro. While I don't disagree on Bro, I do find people that tunnel seem to be more often scum. I tunneled on a guy named Shrike the entirety of D1 as my first game, which I was scum. Other than that just gut. Like I said though, it's to a lesser extent. Not sure I would want you as a lynch today.

i personally disagree with tunnelling as a scumtell but it's a fine enough surface level reason so whatever. what makes you think my own particular brand of tunneling would be a scumtell? Why would tunneling make the game easier for me or make my position better as scum?

If you want to base it off of what you were thinking at the time of voting me that's even better, but even if you didn't think about it at the time I still want you to go over it now and use this to basically evaluate the reasons for your read and what you think my underlying motivations for what I'm doing are.

If you're looking for a reason scum would do it, I think it makes the illusion for scum hunting easier. You can ignore most other people and just focus on the one, while staying out of everything else. You can be seen doing things, without contributing as much. Not saying that's what you're doing, but yeah. I don't know anything other than that about making it easier for you, but I still think tunnelers are more often scum. That said, I would definitely prefer Kuroi over you at this point of the game. Just look at their ISO. They haven't actually been doing anything productive at all.

VOTE: Kuroi

[KuroiXHF]

Is there anything I can do to help answer any questions you may have for me, Clumsy?

I will admit I've not been feeling the vibe this game.

[Ranger]

I know you said you weren't going to talk about EP, but why Nahdia down here?

That's my townish tier, with {RC, hiplop} being basically conftown, and {TheTrollie, Spiffeh} being townreads. The tiers are fairly fluid, though.

[Ranger]

Wait, I'm voting Spiffeh?

Could've

sworn

I had moved that vote to Gamma. :S

VOTE: Gammagooey.

[Gammagooey]

i swear to hellfuck game please don't make me ask every question i ask to anyone twice

@Ranger- I don't really see why you're scumreading me unless you're basically hard-pairing kurio and I. Can you fill me in?

[Maestro]

Hmph.

[KuroiXHF]

Hmph.

Interesting. Now how does this 'Hmph' direct you to a suspicion of scum?

[Errantparabola]

clumsy, gamma, trollie and hiplop are maybe town. gonna do full reread tonight.

[hiplop]

why gamma

[Errantparabola]

ok while rereading turns out i got a trollie post confused with a gamma post and i'm not so sure now. but I still got some town stuff on gamma.

[Errantparabola]

221 I don't know about gamma's playstyle but the first part reads town to me.
hiplop: I really don't understand why you think gamma's scum for going both ways on the clumsy read, that's totally fine by me.

actually? your progression on broseidon
I want to ask you about that gamma
because it seems like you're criticizing him for the things that he does, the arguing with RC deal, which you earlier said wasn't indicative.
i retract that question 626 clears it right up, guess i wasn't reading or i didn't have the context.
yeah gamma is a townread for now

[RadiantCowbells]

Bro is my mason buddy he says.

Oh but we're not really masons, his alignment is unconfirmed.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm pretty sure I'm lynching Ranger today again.

[Nahdia]

.............

[Spiffeh]

These words are not sufficient

[Marquis]

NOTE

Maestro

has not posted in the 24 hours following his last prod. I am now seeking a replacement.

See post below - I missed Maestro's post above. Thanks Clumsy!

[Clumsy]

Dunno if you're counting the one word post, but he is up there in 634.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just a few of the big things while I work on making it into a comprehensive case:

1) Associatives with Clusmy slot.

In #66, he votes clumsy but in #67 he immediately unvotes saying wait that's L-1.
The time between that post is 1 minute. I find it difficult to believe he placed the vote, checked it,
So if he was thinking the dude was scum he'd follow up on it once no longer L-1 right? WRONG.
He hasn't brought up or addressed the Clumsy slot sinec.
And the other thing that's fuckign ridiculous is that the clumsy wagon pushers all pushed a Clumsy/Bro scumteam idea and voted him.
If he were town, he'd immediately flip his shit and be worried that we were Clumsy scumpartners trying to lynch him to town Clumsy by association.
But instead he goes from vote to vote looking for the next shiny thing and parks on Maestro.

For Clumsy's part, he KEEPS asking me about my Broseidon vote without pushing any sort of agenda from it.
It feels extremely scumbuddyish

2) Not looking for scum intent.

Why do you dislike RC's post and like kuribo's? I'm inclined to like them both (both making a good point), and they both have PRs that are ~probably~ town PRs.

Way too quick to write me off as town.
This will be especially important when I can follow up on it more later.

He crumbed it to me and it's probably town.

Because it's a really, really fucking dumb PR when it's scum.

Way too quick to assume that shit is town.

Gamma I don't think you understand how I play.

Assuming lack of understanding over scum intent immediately.
No explanation for the Maestro scumread, for the record, he just jumps right on.

I want to talk to RC about the Maestro/Nahdia stuff b/c his reaction to it was like "naw it's fine" even though there's some stuff there that clearly indicates that *something* is up.

Like what the fuck?
I AM THE ONE IN HERE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON.
I AM THE ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY SAID TO EACH OTHER.

This feels so fucking scum intent trying to get traction on a wagon so he can get Maestro lynched and NK me.
I really don't like this.

Like, you're calling it "manipulating the gamestate," I call it "doing things."

This is so not how town would answer this.
Like, this is basically agreeing that he's manipulating the gamestate but spinning it.

Everyone should consider a pledge to RC a vote for me at this point b/c RC's a dick.

And this is a holy grail of bad.

What is he making a point about? That town players shouldn't pledge me because I'll vote Broseidon?
Why isn't he saying anything about, say, scum pledging me to get that lynch through to defend Maestro?
Like this feels incredibly like someone who is talking to town and knows that they are talking to town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, and

VOTE: Marquis

They seem like the kind of moderator who would reveal people's alignments if we lynched the mod!

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll get into the posturey shit later because there's more to add since I wrote the case.

[Ranger]

@Ranger- I don't really see why you're scumreading me unless you're basically hard-pairing kurio and I. Can you fill me in?

All your posts, especially the earlier ones, trip the scumdar hard.

Bro is my mason buddy he says. Oh but we're not really masons, his alignment is unconfirmed.

Well since you're outing this: if this is what Errant told you, it is both technically true, and yet not true. We're technically not masons. But lovers, who have

unrestricted talk

with one another, are masons by any other name. We die if the other dies. We have talk. We also know the powers of the other (which for obvious reasons I shouldn't claim in here, though if Errant chooses to disclose that to you in your neighborhood, that's their discretion), and know that we know each others' powers. That's a mason. Especially since no sane mod would make scum lovers outside a mechanically-themed game of that type (we have a few opens like that), and I refuse to believe Marquis would make one lover be scum and the other town.