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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:57 pm

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Plus, look at it this way: if we're both town as I believe, we can't
both
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Meaning, even if we're lynchbait, the advantage of having two deaths during one night (especially when one of them is
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) will eventually be too good to pass up. We'll die via nightkill, maybe not N1, but we will die all the same.
Quite the RANGE.
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:07 pm

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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:14 pm

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RadiantCowbells wrote:In #66, he votes clumsy but in #67 he immediately unvotes saying wait that's L-1.
The time between that post is 1 minute. I find it difficult to believe he placed the vote, checked it,
So if he was thinking the dude was scum he'd follow up on it once no longer L-1 right? WRONG.
He hasn't brought up or addressed the Clumsy slot sinec.
You did ask me to answer for him, so I'll try.

I don't see the issue with casting a vote, realizing it's L-1, and then unvoting, even in less than a minute. It's not a behavior
I
would display, since if I cast a vote, I've every intention to leave it there until I have a better target to vote, but I'm not every player, and I don't see it as being suspicious.

As for a lack of follow-through: BROseidon got replaced. He was actively engaging someone else prior to being force-replaced. The debate he was in got heated. It may have even gotten personal. It certainly was for those he was attacking, but I think you of all people should know that the attacker usually is also emotionally compromised. Between all of these factors, it shouldn't be much of a point.

Way too quick to write me off as town.
And? I did the same thing upon coming in. I've
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the same thing in previous games with you as town, too, and I've (as you so keenly pointed out) lost to you five times with you as scum. You have a role that is unlikely to be given to scum. Your play also looks like town.

Way too quick to assume that shit is town.
What's the point of a mafia tree stump?

BROseidon was right. A tree stump is a town role. It's a cousin of an innocent child.

No explanation for the Maestro scumread, for the record, he just jumps right on.
Well, this one, obviously, I also did, but I always do it, so a better way of saying things would be...is that something unique to BROseidon's scum game? Because I'm pretty sure it's not. I've seen BROseidon as town before, and he can and has jumped straight on without giving reasoning. (Admittedly, I thought he was scum because of it, but I was wrong.)

I AM THE ONE IN HERE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON. I AM THE ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY SAID TO EACH OTHER.
Yes, which it appears BROseidon was looking for feedback for. BROseidon saw Maestro as looking "off", but he's an outsider. He was asking you for clarity, because you're not an outsider. I don't see the problem there.

Like, this is basically agreeing that he's manipulating the gamestate but spinning it.
RC, bluntly, if you say you don't manipulate the gamestate as town, I'm calling you a liar.
You manipulate the gamestate as town.
I
manipulate the gamestate as town.
BROseidon is known for manipulating the gamestate as town.

Because, sometimes, in order to get the lynches we want, in order to get the game where we want it to be, we have to make moves like that.

Like I said, I'm not him, so this is the best defense I can mount, but lynching me would be a serious mistake and
you
of
all
people know this.
Same goes to Errant by proxy since lynching Errant is still lynching me.
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:27 pm

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how many games have you played with bro?

how do you know what hes known for?

this seems like a weird-angle for someone who has little experience with BRO
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:29 pm

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Btw, if you need confirmation: ask Errant to share my experience with lovers.
I didn't link to my home site (the topic will presumably be made public after the game's over and that's not information I want made public), but I described how lovers work where I come from. My on-site experience with lovers is limited to one or two games, one with the lovers being something one half of the role deliberately selected. (Ergo, not lovers at the beginning of the game.)
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:32 pm

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hiplop wrote:how many games have you played with bro? how do you know what hes known for?
Not sure, exactly. Half a dozen? I have enough experience with him that between first-hand experience (seeing him) and second-hand experience (others relaying their experiences of him), not to mention, directly seeing him relaying his experience, that I'm fairly confident what I've said of him is accurate.

I mean. Again. I don't really know the guy that well. I could be wrong there. But I'm pretty sure it's true from what I've seen and heard.
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:33 pm

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it feels to me like you're making up meta to discredit rc
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:39 pm

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hiplop wrote:it feels to me like you're making up meta to discredit rc
RC made a case against BROseidon.

I was quite explicit that I wouldn't be able to defend against it, but he told me to do my best anyway.

So he literally
asked
me to "discredit" him, thank you very much.

As for me making things up...why? Why do this? I have no incentive to lie about something that could be proven false. What I
do
have is my memory. My memory gives me that impression of BROseidon. Maybe it's accurate. Maybe it's not. But it exists all the same, and I have zero reason to lie about that.
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:04 am

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Ranger wrote:
Gammagooey wrote:@Ranger- I don't really see why you're scumreading me unless you're basically hard-pairing kurio and I. Can you fill me in?
All your posts, especially the earlier ones, trip the scumdar hard.

Man I'm trying to get something useful out of this.

I kept hearing before you replaced in about how intelligent you were, I'm pretty sure you can do better than that. It's similar to the shit I was asking Clumsy about with mindsets- yeah your read is gut but MOST of the time if you go back and actually read through the posts again, you can specify to some extent what's bugging you about the posts. For me a lot of the time it comes down to tone and the player not addressing others like they're actually trying to read them, other times it's because I think they're posting for the sake of posting instead of trying to figure out anything in regards to the game.

And personally this game feels a bit maddening with what seems like a third of the game not actually playing or only playing in RC's QT and another third still not having more than a sentence that actually describes why they're scumreading people, and even though you think I'm scum I'm pretty sure you going deeper into that would help the game as a whole as well.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:10 am

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Also I know this is kinda dumb but I'm planning on going over a lot of the game lateish tonight so I'll explain it then with some other comments. If I theoretically miss that because of exhaustion then tomorrow morning at the latest.

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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:50 am

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RadiantCowbells wrote:
RadiantCowbells wrote:Just a few of the big things while I work on making it into a comprehensive case:

1) Associatives with Clusmy slot.

In #66, he votes clumsy but in #67 he immediately unvotes saying wait that's L-1.
The time between that post is 1 minute. I find it difficult to believe he placed the vote, checked it,
So if he was thinking the dude was scum he'd follow up on it once no longer L-1 right? WRONG.
He hasn't brought up or addressed the Clumsy slot sinec.
And the other thing that's fuckign ridiculous is that the clumsy wagon pushers all pushed a Clumsy/Bro scumteam idea and voted him.
If he were town, he'd immediately flip his shit and be worried that we were Clumsy scumpartners trying to lynch him to town Clumsy by association.
But instead he goes from vote to vote looking for the next shiny thing and parks on Maestro.

For Clumsy's part, he KEEPS asking me about my Broseidon vote without pushing any sort of agenda from it.
It feels extremely scumbuddyish


RadiantCowbells wrote:2) Not looking for scum intent.

Why do you dislike RC's post and like kuribo's? I'm inclined to like them both (both making a good point), and they both have PRs that are ~probably~ town PRs.


Way too quick to write me off as town.
This will be especially important when I can follow up on it more later.

He crumbed it to me and it's probably town.

Because it's a really, really fucking dumb PR when it's scum.


Way too quick to assume that shit is town.

Gamma I don't think you understand how I play.


Assuming lack of understanding over scum intent immediately.
No explanation for the Maestro scumread, for the record, he just jumps right on.

I want to talk to RC about the Maestro/Nahdia stuff b/c his reaction to it was like "naw it's fine" even though there's some stuff there that clearly indicates that *something* is up.


Like what the fuck?
I AM THE ONE IN HERE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON.
I AM THE ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY SAID TO EACH OTHER.

This feels so fucking scum intent trying to get traction on a wagon so he can get Maestro lynched and NK me.
I really don't like this.

Like, you're calling it "manipulating the gamestate," I call it "doing things."


This is so not how town would answer this.
Like, this is basically agreeing that he's manipulating the gamestate but spinning it.

Everyone should consider a pledge to RC a vote for me at this point b/c RC's a dick.


And this is a holy grail of bad.

What is he making a point about? That town players shouldn't pledge me because I'll vote Broseidon?
Why isn't he saying anything about, say, scum pledging me to get that lynch through to defend Maestro?
Like this feels incredibly like someone who is talking to town and knows that they are talking to town.



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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:52 am

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just replace me


apparently I can't help being a moron whenever people are pushing me to do things.
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:04 am

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ANNOUNCEMENT
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This is a final, universal warning. I am only not modkilling here because 1) the existence of
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:18 am

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VOTECOUNT 1.16
(0)
Aristophanes

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Ranger
Aristophanes, hiplop
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Clumsy

(0)
Errantparabola

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hiplop

(+2)
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Maestro

(0)
Nahdia

(0)
Spiffeh

(0)
RadiantCowbells

(+1)
TheTrollie
Gammagooey

(+6)
NOT VOTING
TheTrollie, RadiantCowbells+Nahdia+Maestro+Errantparabola, KuroiXHF

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12
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Deadline is in
(expired on 2016-04-18 01:00:00)
(Mon Apr 18 @ 1:00:00 AM EST)
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:22 am

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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:25 am

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So Nahdia

Who is scum
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:27 am

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Marquis wrote:
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This is a final, universal warning. I am only not modkilling here because 1) the existence of
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THANK YOU. It's fucking annoying how emotional he gets about being replaced, then he dries the tears well enough to want to play. Then as soon as someone wets his face a little bit more, he wants to leave again.

It's like playing with my ex girlfriend, except he won't suck my-
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:28 am

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BTW, I have an idea on who to vote next but I'm curious as to who replaced RC first. Maybe we'll get new info/reads.
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:29 am

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KuroiXHF wrote:
Marquis wrote:
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Do not quote private communication.
This is a final, universal warning. I am only not modkilling here because 1) the existence of
RadiantCowbells
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RadiantCowbells
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THANK YOU. It's fucking annoying how emotional he gets about being replaced, then he dries the tears well enough to want to play. Then as soon as someone wets his face a little bit more, he wants to leave again.

It's like playing with my ex girlfriend, except he won't suck my-
Wait. it's
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:12 am

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sigh.
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:53 am

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KuroiXHF wrote:BTW, I have an idea on who to vote next but I'm curious as to who replaced RC first. Maybe we'll get new info/reads.

We have about 3 days left, the replacement might not come until a day or two before deadline, and Clumsy's going to be V/LA starting from tomorrow until deadline anyway. If you've got something useful to say at this point just say it.
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:17 am

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Hiplop, we need to decide who is not our friend. I think I know who you want to keep out of our treehouse?
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:19 am

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Clumsy stop this
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Nahdia, go back to your treehouse. No girls allowed
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