↑ SirCakez wrote:Why tictac is scum (yeah I went through ISO to back up stuff)
The early note about TWL's "I missed you so much" being forced was bullshit to start.
142 - is a gross early fencesit to start his Seniors read
144 -
175 has a bizarre defense of Seniors that looks like WKing. This was questioned by multiple people.
Then in
483 after an extended absence, Seniors randomly becomes a scumread?
After this he disappears for an extended period of time and then dumps two walls full of things that look like they serve no purpose other then looking like he's doing something
1203 and
1361
Then
1603 is yet another bad wall with a sheeping Seniors vote at the end. Develops a random Ranger scumread here with no explanation.
And then....that's it. He disappeared at deadline, scummy in itself.
His posts today have consisted of a sheep onto now-confirmed Pist and then an also-sheeped Dram vote, then back to Pist, then finally a weak Podo vote in
2578 despite nearly no mention of him in the wall preceding.
Tl;dr
-Sheeps random wagons, very little solo pushes that go anywhere
-Disappeared at deadline
-Develops random scumreads (Ranger, Seniors) to fit where the leading wagons are.
Since I've had these nagging feelings of dislike for TicTac, I decided to take a close look at this to see if I actually agreed with it.
Turns out what I agree with is that I don't like TicTac's big walls of "catch-up" posts with random questions to people. And that he hasn't done anything today. But a lot of this is just wrong.
I don't think #142 is a "fencesit" except in the sense that anytime you say you have no opinion about someone you are "fencesitting," which is silly. And it's especially silly early on in the game.
Maybe
, later, you could argue that someone really ought to have more of an opinion about another player in the game who has done X, Y, and Z. But even then, you can still waffle on people. Believe me, I know.
#144- 175 isn't a defense of Seniors at all, it's him questioning Beeboy for expressing such a strong opinion about Seniors when Seniors hadn't done anything to merit such a strong opinion. I believe I said essentially the exact same thing in one of my own posts. I don't like accusations of "White Knighting" in general. It's one of those vague, fuzzy accusations that sounds sinister but doesn't really mean anything. Arguments are good or bad. If you point out a bad argument you're not (necessarily) "defending" the person who the argument was being made against. You might have no opinion of them at all. And why that would make you more likely to be scum in the first instance never made any sense to me. Like, am I White-Knighting TicTac right now? I don't think so.
#483 you are completely misrepresenting. This was not a "random" switch to a scumread on Seniors. I mean, he explains it in the very first part of the post. This is after Seniors made that string of posts which I (along with several other people) criticized him for. What's "random" about it?
I agree #1203 and #1361 are underwhelming as big "catch-up" posts. If anything I would have though you would have brought up that in #1203, TicTac seems to be expressing suspicion of you, without actually saying it. He asks TWL why they are Townleaning you (twice, including one "Whyy?"). He asks podo why he is Townreading you. But he never says that he himself is scum-reading you, and looking back it doesn't look like he said anything about you prior to this, except that he
disagreed
with a push on you in #483. #1361 isn't much of anything. I do note that he at least mentions Ranger in this post and that he doesn't like how Rangers ended up with the top two wagons as her best scum reads when she came in (which was a pretty commonly held opinion, of course).
#1646 (not 1603) is not actually bad. And you are again seriously misrepresenting when you say TicTac has developed a "random" Rangers scumread with no explanation. Completely aside from the fact that he said something about Rangers in #1361, he also mentions his issues with Ranger in this very same post you are saying has no explanation. How do you get that?
He was absent for the deadline, so that's not great. It's hard to label it "scummy" though. If you are assuming a scum TicTac trying to stay low as the Town lynched a Townie, I don't even see why he would need to do that as scum. He was already on record as thinking Ranger was scummy, so whether he was there to vote or not, he's still on record. It would look worse (to me) if the person who was being lynched was someone that TicTac had previously
defended
.
And, yeah, today has been underwhelming. I did
kind of
like how TicTac reacted to Amihan's fake replace out. Because I do think that Ami/Marquis are likely Town, and I think it's at least a little less likely that a scum TicTac begs Amihan to stay like that. But maybe there's a relationship there I am unaware of? Podo vote is bad.
I don't know. This isn't doing much for me one way or the other. I'm going to post it anyway because I wrote it, but it's kind of a big "meh."
