A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[tictac]

I have Dave as town.

Why?

[The Pied Piper]

yo plotty was 2660 towny or scummy? Cause I'm pretty sure it is super alignment indicative I just keep on flipping on which way.

wooooooords words words

but i think, that i thought, that it was a townpost when for the first time i read it through?

would be towner if it used

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instead of #142 to reference posts (i am telling a joke but i campaign for use of post tags seriously too)

i dont have the reading comprehensions for this right now but i think, that i'd remember if it bothered me earlier. he seems to be trying to understand and looking for extant truth rather than forging a new truth. that is good.

axel, gun to your head, in conclusion, you have weak townlean or weak scumlean on tictac? what would your read be if null weren't an option?

[tictac]

Like, am I White-Knighting TicTac right now?

If anything I would have though you would have brought up that in #1203, TicTac seems to be expressing suspicion of you, without actually saying it. He asks TWL why they are Townleaning you (twice, including one "Whyy?"). He asks podo why he is Townreading you. But he never says that he himself is scum-reading you,

That is because I wasn't scumreading Cakez.
I've said it a few times: I find some aspects of Cakez play scummy, but I know he does them as town so I am compensating for that. Doesn't mean I understand strong townreads on him at all.
I am currently trying to figure out if high-volyme + low reading falls into the non-indic category.
The misrep & reaching doesn't but I did get a bit of sync with the Ogre-thing.

[tictac]

@dave What is your read on Skybird?

Back to my windmill for now. Though I doubt it will result in him talking.

Why then?

Ya posted after this, but didn't answer.

[pistachi0n]

Hey pistachi0n, you're better than obvtown. Whose scum and why?

SirCakez is scum VOTE: SirCakez

*Starts the game townreading Ranger

I HAVENT CAUGHT UP YET
If Ranger is the only option then I'll prob vote her just to avoid nolynch. If she flips town though Spiffeh and beeboy should be my voteslaves tomorrow.

Was followed by a Ranger vote. But he said he'd vote Ranger to avoid a no lynch...he didn't have to, he could have voted Seniors if he had a strong conviction that Ranger was town.

Ranger is at like what? L-2? We can get the votes for that.

Is suddenly enthusiastic about voting Ranger once he realizes it can go through.

At this point it is basically NL or Ranger

Again...Seniors???

Sorry Ranger my gut was right about you but I couldn't stop the lynch

You didn't try to stop the lynch!!! You tried to get her lynched! And don't say you were doing it to avoid a No Lynch--I was also trying to avoid a no lynch, and I voted Seniors.

Like, it's not the fact that you voted for someone who flipped town--it's the fact that you voted for her, ignored the counterwagon, and then after the flip did the "sorry, I knew you were town deep down inside, just doing what I have to do" thing.

[SirCakez]

I had stronger reasons to think Seniors was town, I made multiple posts over it. I believed the Fruit Vendor claim and that's confirmable so > Ranger. And I dropped a town case for Ranger but Spiffeh/Beeboy/Seniors gang had their hands over their ears so couldn't do anything about it.

[pistachi0n]

I had stronger reasons to think Seniors was town, I made multiple posts over it. I believed the Fruit Vendor claim and that's confirmable so > Ranger. And I dropped a town case for Ranger but Spiffeh/Beeboy/Seniors gang had their hands over their ears so couldn't do anything about it.

Fruit vendor is such an easy scum claim though.

Also, if you thought Ranger was town, and you wanted to lynch someone else at the end of the day, and you didn't want to lynch Seniors--what was your plan? I didn't see you trying to flashwagon anyone.

[SirCakez]

I tried to flashwagon Tictac wtf. It fell apart though.
Also Fruit Vendor is a terrible scum claim unless scum is actually Fruit Vendor.

[Marquis]

V/LA until Sunday night EST.

Sorry Rob. :(

[Mirhawk]

So your approach in seeming to have a cheerful time with wagons rising or falling doesn't resonate with me and causes me to question why you have that attitude.

I find that if I take the game too seriously I just end up angry and frustrated. That being said I don't think I was being particularly irrelevant about the Pistachion wagon, If you got that impression you probably misread me a little. Or maybe my sense of humors a little off base.

I feel like I was pushing here stuff though? Maybe not as much as Zelda but I definitely was pushing you for example, I cased both Seniors and you.

I was town with Tictac in Mini 1758 and he did do longer posts like that a lot, but they were usually more useful and focused then the sprays of questions he's doing here.

You cased me in 1774, but voted for me in 530. You made 115 posts between them but mentioned me MAYBE 10 times and that's being generous. Most of the posts concerning me weren't until the very end of that stretch, probably in the last fifteen posts or so. You also only posted cases on me in Seniors in the first place as a reaction to receiving flack for not having done so sooner.

Tictac does ask a fair number of irrelevant questions, but there's a lot of decent ones mixed in there as well. I always consider asking people to explain the reason for their reads (scum or town) to be helpful. In either case I'm still undecided, at the moment I just want Tictac to post more often so those huge quotewalls can stop.

@Skybird
I've been townreading Seniors for pretty much the whole game, the fruit vendor role doesn't really have much to do with it.

@Dramonic
I thought you early scumreads showed a measure of certainty that made you townish, but your insistence on them and nothing else is stupid and scummy. It's not certainty it's laziness, if you're town your doing a piss poor job of it. You apparently haven't formed a single new opinion in the two thousand odd posts since your original scumreads and I find that to be practically impossible from someone who's apparently reading the game and looking for scum.

[tictac]

Tictac why is Post your top lynch still?

Pist*

Yeah.
Either ya didn't care at all about the questions you were asking yesterday or you deliberately misrepped me when ya called my vote on pist 'sheeping'.
VOTE: Cakez

[pistachi0n]

I tried to flashwagon Tictac wtf. It fell apart though.
Also Fruit Vendor is a terrible scum claim unless scum is actually Fruit Vendor.

No, that is false, your strong pushing on tictac didn't start until today.

[SirCakez]

We have two days
Someone (Ranger I think?) brought up a tictac wagon earlier. I'd do that.

Actually
VOTE: tictac
Still think Mirhawk is scum but I want to try this. I have been voteparked too long, that part of the case on me is true.

[Cerberus v666]

We have two days
Someone (Ranger I think?) brought up a tictac wagon earlier. I'd do that.

Actually
VOTE: tictac
Still think Mirhawk is scum but I want to try this. I have been voteparked too long, that part of the case on me is true.

I tried to flashwagon Tictac wtf. It fell apart though.
Also Fruit Vendor is a terrible scum claim unless scum is actually Fruit Vendor.

No, that is false, your

strong

pushing on tictac didn't start until today.

[SirCakez]

I was responding to Pist saying I didn't try to start an alternative to Ranger/Seniors which was bs.

[Cerberus v666]

? How do you misunderstand the sequence there? You said you tried to flashwagon tictac, she says you didn't strongly push for tictac, you quote those very very weak moves towards a tictac wagon, and I just reiterated that she specifically said STRONG pushing.

[SirCakez]

The quoted posts were for the flashwagon, not the "strong pushing".
And we have different conceptions of a strong push then. That wagon got like 4 votes before it collapsed.

[pistachi0n]

The quoted posts were for the flashwagon, not the "strong pushing".
And we have different conceptions of a strong push then. That wagon got like 4 votes before it collapsed.

That tictac vote you quoted wasn't indicative of someone trying to start a flashwagon. Flashwagons tend to be pushed with more oomph than "I want to try this."

[Cerberus v666]

Umm. Pistachions assertion is that you didn't actually try to get anyone else lynched. That is, you did not make a good faith, sincere attempt at it. You claim that you did try to get tictac lynched, and present those quotes as evidence of that. I assert that there is no way you can consider those two posts a "strong push".

[SirCakez]

theres a few other posts like that. Trueogre awkwardly trying to step in and be a big part.

He looks like hes trying but is behind, basically.

I'm rereading a bit, and cakez could be scum.

Tictac seems more likely scum than everyone else tbh. I think ranger is still safest today because I think deadline is soon?

We have two days
Someone (Ranger I think?) brought up a tictac wagon earlier. I'd do that.

Actually
VOTE: tictac
Still think Mirhawk is scum but I want to try this. I have been voteparked too long, that part of the case on me is true.

why are you townreading ranger, cakez?

is there enough support for tictac?

fuck it VOTE: tictac

come to ranger w/ me if this dilutes

Mixture of gut + meta + liking the reads progression (it was very very similar to mine) + catchup felt genuine
Stuck on mobile can go more in depth later if wanted

hippy why tictac?

please @ cakez. I want to know your thoughts.

Do you townread tictac, spiffeh? Every time they make a post it gets universally panned and then shoved under the rug. It feels like the classic "your second scumread is scum", tell. Like, I'm pretty sure everyone is at least partially scumreading tictac?

VOTE: tictac

This is definitely starting a flashwagon
Whether its "strong" or not is opinion. My opinion is that it was strong since it picked up more votes.

[Cerberus v666]

The question is whether or not your contribution to it was strong. NOT whether or not the wagon picked up any steam.

[SirCakez]

Ok so I'm saying I think it was strong because the wagon picked up steam.

[pistachi0n]

You didn't say at the time that you were flashwagoning, either--usually people say when their intent is to make a flashwagon. It came across as apathetic and vanity.

[Axelrod]

Hi podo 'not the vigi' boq, thanks for dropping by. Also Axel when you started your long post, were you intending to support or not support cake?

I was intending to try and determine if the push felt legitimate or not. I've been wary of Cakez for a while now. And also try to firm up my feelings about TicTac at the same time. I wasn't entirely successful at either. I don't like a lot of that push. I think Cakez was definitely misrepresenting some things. But it's not like TicTac is a paragon of shining townness either. Hence my meh.

[Cerberus v666]

When you make a suggestion like that and the wagon starts, quickly, to gain momentum, but you do nothing to further that momentum, it certainly appears as though you were attempting to distance yourself from the other push, without actually having any intention of following through on the alternative you presented.

It speaks more to the games general suspicion of tictac that votes went their way, than to any sort of influence you exerted.

Why are you arguin so much that you tried to get tictac wagoned, when it's clear that you really didn't try?