A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[SirCakez]

Because I feel like I did try? It might be some of my push on tictac from today leaking through but I feel like I had a pretty solid push on tictac, not just the wagon start but stuff earlier too.

[podoboq]

I'm not voting based off of NKA (night kill assessment, right?). If you're going to accuse me of something, it's more sheeping than anything else.

I don't actually find NKA scummy. I asked about that because didn't follow your logic.
Sheeping is indeed what I find scummy about you.
- Sheeping Cakez & asking him to make a case looks like you are avoiding voicing opinions of your own.
- Deadtown sheep would make sense from town-you,

but I don't actually see evidence if it affecting your reads

.

You were a soft town read for me before yesterday's lynch. Then Ranger flipped, you were a high scum read, and I consider you the most likely scum of her top three. Me voting for you

is

evidence of her flip affecting my read.

I wanted Cakez to case you because 1) I'm a bit lazy, and 2) I don't

know

that Cakez is town, and I wanted to see him make a solid case. If he couldn't do it (which he did), then it gives me more reason to suspect him. It was a chance to get a better read on Cakez, so I took it.

[pistachi0n]

Because I feel like I did try? It might be some of my push on tictac from today leaking through but I feel like I had a pretty solid push on tictac, not just the wagon start but stuff earlier too.

No...at least, you didn't try hard enough to justify the "sorry ranger I tried"

[SirCakez]

Why I think Ranger is town

-First off gut. Obviously can't explain that.

-Meta. This isn't super fresh but Ranger's catchup here very much reminded me of Open 623 where she was town. I brought up Mafiaception earlier as well. That game was very noticeably different from her usual town games. She was much less into the game, made weak pushes, and was basically flopping around all game. I'm not seeing that here.

-Liked the reads progression. Her reads were very very very similar to mine as she was catching up with a few exceptions (TWL and Spiff scum, Beeboy town) (now think Beeboy is town but was scumreading him earlier) and that's a good tell for me because it's mirroring my thoughts which were from a town perspective.

1280 is a fantastic example. Scumreads on Tictac, Mirhawk, Seniors, Ogre, nearly a match of my scumpool earlier. Tammy, Ami, PP, Cerb all up in town pile as well.
This is where the initial "Ranger's reads are fantastic" comment came from.
1316 concludes the reads catchup and it just all feels legit to me.

Mirhawk being a hard Ranger pusher but being so hesitant to join that wagon also gives me pause.

1514 is an example of a post which feels like a genuine thought process. I'm a sucker for walls but things like pointing out more recent scum games for me, explaining the Sakura townread, the defense of the replace out in Open 627 all feel legit.

The dedication to Mirhawk and Seniors feels like my play all game until very recently when I started getting some town vibes from Seniors.

The only thing I'm finding questionable here is the big stance against attempting a tictac wagon which I found odd but that's not enough for a scumread.


So yea there it is.

I most definitely tried to stop the Ranger lynch ^ and I offered an alternative in tictac. That's justified.

[Mirhawk]

VOTE: Mirhawk
Back to this since tictac wagon was a no-go

I don't know why you guys are focusing on whether or not Cakez started the flashwagon when the grossest thing he did was this.

He dumped Tictac's wagon in favor of one that wasn't going anywhere. There was never really any reason to get off Tictac in favor of me.

It reads more to me he wanted to get off Tictac's wagon, but didn't want to interact with Ranger's or Seniors.

It should be noted that at this point that he was still scumreading seniors.

[pistachi0n]

Also very scummy.

[pistachi0n]

Well, actually, not the jumping off a failed wagon so much as if he was scumreading Seniors at that point.

[SirCakez]

Mirhawk had 3-4 votes on him. Tictac pressure disappeared b/c Spiffeh and Seniors went back to Ranger. Thus Mirhawk had potential but Tictac not anymore.
"It should be noted that at this point that he was still scumreading seniors."

I'll do the Ranger ISO and town case as soon as I get home, sorry for flaking on that.
I'm not as comfortable with a Seniors lynch anymore. I'd really prefer Mirhawk.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #2.6:

SirCakez:

Mirhawk, pistachi0n, tictac (3)

Skybird:

Marquis, SirCakez (2)

Axelrod:

dramonic, Sakura Hana (2)

tictac:

podoboq, itlepip (2)

The Pied Piper:

Friendless Seniors (1)

dramonic:

davesaz (1)

Not Voting:

Axelrod, Cerberus v666, THE WRONG LYNCH, The Pied Piper, True Ogre, Skybird

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

Marquis until 4/17.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-22 21:00:00)

[Mirhawk]

In 1827 he says he isn't as comfortable with a seniors lynch anymore.

Then in 1871 he says me and Seniors are the scum on Rangers wagon.

He unvotes Tictac in 1904.

Calls Seniors town in reaction to the fruit vendor in 2144.

[SirCakez]

This is really frustrating because I think the Ranger wagon is all town except Mirhawk and maybe Seniors, but I'm just legit not seeing the case for Ranger :/

Stop misrepping. I made it clear my scumread on you was stronger then the one on Seniors.

[Mirhawk]

I don't think there was ever any real chance of me being lynched.

Nobody was putting any real effort into convincing others that I was scum.

If you were switching back to your stronger scumread why didn't you try and convince people to vote for me.

[Mirhawk]

Instead you did nothing until the deadline was upon us and you HAD to change your vote.

[SirCakez]

Why Mirhawk is scum (went through his ISO to back up main points)

-The entire "dave is scum for calling someone out for pulling back on hydra discussion" push stunk. That was not indicative at all, I see town do things akin to that all the time.

-349 - the whole "fencesitting miller" thing. This has been hashed over a ton but yeah looks like scum who knew they were both town.

-852 - Makes a big deal out of "not liking" PP's post then says "not scumreading them for it". Wtf is that, why even bring it up then?

-865, 878 - what the hell are these?

-895 - this accusation sucks. "I find your post kind of weird. Mostly due to the fact that the people you comment on are pretty spread out between the various groups of players."
That's not scummy at all.

-908 - "I DID know Ami was lying."
???
911 doesn't make it any better.

A lot of junk about the fencesitting

-969 - this still isn't a scumtell?

-1002 - Wrong Lynch is in your scum pool? Why haven't you pushed this at all? He hasn't even voted them.

-His Dav push basically completely dissolves because...? No explanation given.

-1335, 1341, 1342 - Initiates a push on Ranger, but no vote to back it up until way later in 1748. Looks like waiting for someone else to start the wagon so he can hop on.

-1612 - suddenly develops a scumread on me, his counterwagon, only after Spiffeh and Tammy start a wagon. In 1585, he says he only wants to vote me a bit? That progression is fake af.
1700 is fake, literally zero mention of ISOing or checking other games until justification requested.

-1748 - right to Ranger as soon as the wagon shifted to her. All his recent voted are just "follow someone else" and he's not actually starting any push without someone else going first.

Tl;dr
-Dave push early on stinks and was dropped randomly.
-Miller fencesit thing still sucks.
-Recent votes have just been following wherever other people go and he's not voting anyone until at least two other people go there first.

I made a fucking case on you. I did try to convince people.

[Mirhawk]

You made that because I kept giving you flak for not having one. Not because you were trying to push your read.

Who did you try to convince? Name one person you talked with about me.

[SirCakez]

Spiffeh was the one who asked for it
Also
Mirhawk be like

[Mirhawk]

Siffah asked you for a case after Podo asked you for a case after I accused you of never justifying any of your scumreads.

It's all on the same page.

In Spiffah's post he also made not that he shouldn't have even needed to ask you to make one, which I still think applies.

If I'm moving the goalposts how about you elaborate on how I'm doing so.

[Mirhawk]

*note

[itlepip]

I'm not voting based off of NKA (night kill assessment, right?). If you're going to accuse me of something, it's more sheeping than anything else.

I don't actually find NKA scummy. I asked about that because didn't follow your logic.
Sheeping is indeed what I find scummy about you.
- Sheeping Cakez & asking him to make a case looks like you are avoiding voicing opinions of your own.
- Deadtown sheep would make sense from town-you,

but I don't actually see evidence if it affecting your reads

.

You were a soft town read for me before yesterday's lynch. Then Ranger flipped, you were a high scum read, and I consider you the most likely scum of her top three. Me voting for you

is

evidence of her flip affecting my read.

I wanted Cakez to case you because 1) I'm a bit lazy, and 2) I don't

know

that Cakez is town, and I wanted to see him make a solid case. If he couldn't do it (which he did), then it gives me more reason to suspect him. It was a chance to get a better read on Cakez, so I took it.

None of this post works for me at all even though I technically agree with the reads. Flips, except in very specific circumstances, shouldn't change reads that much. And scum make good cases all the time.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Mirhawk
Back to this since tictac wagon was a no-go

I don't know why you guys are focusing on whether or not Cakez started the flashwagon when the grossest thing he did was this.

He dumped Tictac's wagon in favor of one that wasn't going anywhere. There was never really any reason to get off Tictac in favor of me.

It reads more to me he wanted to get off Tictac's wagon, but didn't want to interact with Ranger's or Seniors.

It should be noted that at this point that he was still scumreading seniors.

In 1827 he says he isn't as comfortable with a seniors lynch anymore.

Then in 1871 he says me and Seniors are the scum on Rangers wagon.

He unvotes Tictac in 1904.

Calls Seniors town in reaction to the fruit vendor in 2144.

I don't think there was ever any real chance of me being lynched.

Nobody was putting any real effort into convincing others that I was scum.

If you were switching back to your stronger scumread why didn't you try and convince people to vote for me.

You made that because I kept giving you flak for not having one. Not because you were trying to push your read.

Who did you try to convince? Name one person you talked with about me.

^^^ these are moving the goalposts
From jumping to the Mirhawk wagon to not joining the wagon on Seniors instead to not trying to convince people Mirhawk was scum to who was I trying to convince Mirhawk was scum. Its all very leading.

[pistachi0n]

Idk Cakez, there seems to be a consensus perception of you as floundering and inconsistent in this game.

[SirCakez]

2/3 of the people voting me are scumreads I've cased and then there's you.
Not really a big consensus.

[Mirhawk]

Are you kidding me?

Every one of those posts leads from the posts before it. New topics creeping in are a result of YOUR responses to me in the first place.

What am I trying to steer the conversation away from? What to?

To my knowledge the topic is "Cakez was scummy day one, here's why". What do you think the topic is.

[pistachi0n]

Ehh? What's your case on Cerb?

[SirCakez]

Cerb isn't voting me....