A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[davesaz]

Mostly just a feeling.

[pistachi0n]

Mostly just a feeling.

Can you give examples? Any?

[davesaz]

I already said, her actions seem to look like they come from town. I'm not interested in elaborating more.

[Mirhawk]

OMFG Dave

Has anyone OTHER then me looked at his iso and noted how he hasn't done ANYTHING useful today.

[Mirhawk]

I stopped reading halfway during D1

ugh

I agree with ogre, if you can't catch up just comment on the last few pages.

[Mirhawk]

I'm going to be busy for the weekend so don't expect much out of me.

[Skybird]

After reading the conversation between Cakez and Mirhawk, Mirhawk is moving up on my town list. I feel he has made some good points on Cakez.

[SirCakez]

After reading the conversation between Cakez and Mirhawk, Mirhawk is moving up on my town list. I feel he has made some good points on Cakez.

Dave you think this came from town? Why?

[Rob14]

Vote Count #2.7:

SirCakez:

Mirhawk, pistachi0n, tictac (3)

Skybird:

Marquis, SirCakez (2)

Axelrod:

dramonic, Sakura Hana (2)

tictac:

podoboq, itlepip (2)

The Pied Piper:

Friendless Seniors (1)

dramonic:

davesaz (1)

THE WRONG LYNCH:

True Ogre (1)

Not Voting:

Axelrod, Cerberus v666, THE WRONG LYNCH, The Pied Piper, Skybird

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

Marquis until 4/17.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-22 21:00:00)

[SirCakez]

oh I thought I did this already
VOTE: Tictac

[davesaz]

After reading the conversation between Cakez and Mirhawk, Mirhawk is moving up on my town list. I feel he has made some good points on Cakez.

Dave you think this came from town? Why?

It lacks definition, in particular what post range she's talking about, and even more so what aspect of the conversation. In a vacuum I wouldn't consider the post to be something that can be used for alignment.

oh I thought I did this already
VOTE: Tictac

This move is off Skybird onto Tictac. What's your motivation?

[SirCakez]

Tictac is a much higher scumread and I was trying to crack info out of Skybird. She's posted some stuff now so back to Tictac.

[Friendless Seniors]

I'm behind, sorry.
Will catch up on this Monday? Sorry.

[dramonic]

I'm tired of scum coasting, but we can't have everything we want.

Do we have Irony Awards on this site? If so, can I nominate this post?

You and podo needs to ask Daves if he understands what coasting means so he can teach you, cuz you're both

really

missing the mark.

We appear to be lynching town. Again.
Can we not?

[itlepip]

Sorry Dram but Axel has some decent posts, case pls?

[podoboq]

Sorry Dram but Axel has some decent posts, case pls?

This feels like it's in the same ballpark as asking a desert for water.

[SirCakez]

Dram case pls?

Lol good luck with that

[The Pied Piper]

It's gonna be a little late and I'm not going to be up forever, so I'm going to catch up on Day 2 tonight and fill in the cracks tomorrow.

VOTE: tictac
Wagon here asap

From the point of mine that it is uninformed as it is, I do know that tictac is a vote that shouldn't be made today. Don't vote tictac; you make angels cry every time that you do.

Spiffeh's final non-Ranger pushes were on Tictac, Axel and TWL. Very confident in scum there.
Snarky was obv a vig shot, sucks that he was town but he's gone at least, and he was Hated too.

Sorry Ranger my gut was right about you but I couldn't stop the lynch

1) When were in the middle of saying that you knew Ranger was town but you couldn't stop her lynch, you also said that her lynch would break the game open in terms of reads. What did you mean and why wasn't there followup on it today?
2) I don't remember you suspecting any of these three overly much yesterday and, while I understand considering dead town's reads, following them seems a bit shallow and pre-planned. Reassure me; what are your current reads on these three and why?

TWL needs to post more. If Mala can't, GM can.

I understand frustration when a player is lurking and you want them to get engaged in the game but generally when Mala is busy she's just flat busy. She's not more active as town than she is as scum and this is a bitch of a game to get caught up in when you're behind (myself as a prime example), and so I'm not really dinging her that much for being inactive. The one post that Spiffeh brought up about TWL that makes sense to me is her focus near deadline, but I pointed out why I thought that the point specifically didn't hold with her. The reason why I got aggressive (with you, I think) was because it's annoying as hell to be attacked for lurking when there's not shit you can do to change it/when you're a capable enough player that possesses the magical ability to post as either alignment.

No. Vig if it exists was always going to shoot Snarky or dramonic. Mirhawk was under suspicion as it was and could be lynched.

Different power roles play different ways and I don't even know why this is an argument in the first place.

I'm trusting Cakez to be more accurate than me at this stage.

Also I want to hear from pistach now I've accused them of being scum.

Why exactly are you choosing Cakez in particular to rely on?

Skybird who is basically today's lynchbait.

Where did this come from?
I don't know how "they haven't explained it" somehow makes them wrong and you/Cakez right when you/Cakez also haven't explained anything at all.

I still kind of think Seniors is town.

You're probably right. I don't think your wagon analysis piece was going to result in anything productive; two town counter wagons doesn't really mean much with how the scum team was behaving.

Really don't think Seniors is scum here. This isn't an elaborate game like Tarot, I don't see something like that being put in.

Something elaborate like a... flavored fruit vendor? What?

OK yea I get the point it's not impossible. I just don't think it's the situation here unless something else comes up to change my mind.

I also don't exactly understand your perspective here.
You say that Mafia Fruit Vendor is unlikely because it's "too complex". Plot points out how that makes absolutely no sense. You go "yeah, you're right, I just still believe my original point!".

I really am not liking pied piper. This looks like Plotscum. Nacho looks town but I really am having a hard time shaking plot-scum here.

I am currently both Plotinus and Nacho; come talk to me. I remember in the future that hiplop says something like he didn't like Plot's clumsy wagon handling but that doesn't exactly seem like a scum tell to me (and especially not like a Plotinus-specific one); did you have a different reason for being uncomfortable with Plot? What did you think of their reads?

Why is everyone so opposed to Tictac all of a sudden?

Do you have a reason for wanting Tictac all of a sudden, or did you just decide that yesterday you would call out tictac and then you'd be able to get them lynched tomorrow?

@Piper - my question specifically was - do you think Cakez as scum comes in as soon as the thread opens to push a wagon on tictac expecting to get away with that? It seems to me to be unorchestrated, which I'm associating with town.

Yes.
What was so magical or exciting about Cakez pushing tictac at the beginning of the day? Why did you think he was more likely to be accurate because of it?

Why is this game dead all of a sudden
Spiffeh y did you have to die with your great activity ugh
For the tictac case - just look at his posts on the last page and tell me that's not scum.

While I'll commend Cakez if he's scum here because this post is pretty decently ballsy, this post also feels pretty incredibly fake. As I've said before, I don't mind when people read into dead town's reads and all that good stuff but following them blindly when you didn't really follow the player that closely the day before is pretty fucking iffy, and these sorts of "I'll miss you Spiffeh!" posts never really ring true to me.

[True Ogre]

Nacho, you might want to spend a bit more time focussing on players you think are scum rather than constantly engaging me every time you post.

Unless you think I'm scum? Because at the moment, I dread every time you come into the thread and am not feeling that magic because it feels like your slot is loading me up with a workload I'm never going to catch up on.

So Nacho - flat out. Who's the best lynch for today in your opinion, from what you know right now?

[True Ogre]

TWL needs to post more. If Mala can't, GM can.

I understand frustration when a player is lurking and you want them to get engaged in the game but generally when Mala is busy she's just flat busy. She's not more active as town than she is as scum and this is a bitch of a game to get caught up in when you're behind (myself as a prime example), and so I'm not really dinging her that much for being inactive. The one post that Spiffeh brought up about TWL that makes sense to me is her focus near deadline, but I pointed out why I thought that the point specifically didn't hold with her. The reason why I got aggressive (with you, I think) was because it's annoying as hell to be attacked for lurking when there's not shit you can do to change it/when you're a capable enough player that possesses the magical ability to post as either alignment.

Also, I can take this on notice. I was thinking about whether Mala would even be this terrible as scum. Because she's not bad at it.

UNVOTE: The Wrong Lynch
VOTE: The Pied Piper

I think we're dealing with a scum-Nacho here folks.

[The Pied Piper]

I am engaging you as much as I am because you are my strongest town read by play and additionally the person whose opinion I care the most about at this point in time. If you'd like to experience magic with me, you're going to have to understand how I work (when I have a read, it is obvious when reading my posts. if you ask who my reads are and I give you an answer you didn't know before, I am scum.) and you're gonna have to put a little extra into working with me because I can be a very high-maintanence partner at some times. If you think me questioning you re:Cakez is unreasonable or ridiculous, let me know; I don't understand what you're seeing in him early this day and I don't know if you're crazy or I am.

[The Pied Piper]

Nice pedit.

[The Pied Piper]

But, instead of just voting me and declaring to the world that you think you know how to read me,

engage me

- I'm here, I'm talking, I'm posting things, and I'm not going anywhere. You know that there's not any way in hell you're getting me lynched regardless of my alignment without paying at least a tiny bit of attention to my actual posts.

[True Ogre]

Well okay, snark for snark that's fair.

My initial thoughts on Cakez is fairly obvious given what I've already claimed and goes to the nature of my own result. Which is why I don't really want to talk about it and I thought you'd be clever enough to pick up on it.

I am reading your posts by the way, I just haven't had the mental energy to pore through them.

Regarding Skybird being lynch-bait - I thought I had an almost-sure thing in pistachion being scum. Therefore I was reading into associatives too much especially regarding an Amihan/Marquis connection. When that was proven false I reverted to being a bit concerned and then had a read of the follow-ups she decided to post back to me. I'm not sold on her town but I think I have a town-tickle there.

[The Pied Piper]

VOTE: tictac

I'm OK with this, but for the benefit of town, Cakez, you should make a real case.

In going through your ISO, you had tictac as a 5 on your scale from 1 to 7 with 7 being town. (post 1445) I don't see a case against tictac in your ISO. How about you making a case if you are OK with voting tictac.

Dave, talk to me about why we need more dram votes please.

I don't really think that either of these posts are legitimate inquiries into anything; the only thing that you're doing here is telling other people to do more work, you're not reading either of them and you're not giving any opinion on who they are pushing. Like, if you're OK with it, why don't you make the case?

Dave, talk to me about why we need more dram votes please.

You guys... this isn't town. This is scum trying to be helpful.

I don't think so. I see her as town wanting to get a grip on whether I'm on to something solid in my dram push. Right now there isn't much behind my dram push, but I'm reasonably certain that Skybird's actions come from town.

I've followed most things that you've said this game, but this piece in particular doesn't really make sense to me. I don't think the way Marquis worded his point made it something game changing or anything, but this is you saying that you believe her because you believe her. Mind elaborating?

You brought it up as a scum point against me. I'm responding with the truth.

This post looked pretty solid though.

And here in particular, pushing to lynch someone based (at least in part) off of it (or even chain a series of lynches) is especially bad.

I'm in complete agreement with this piece; SirCakez brought up a tictac lynch at the end of the day when it was being offered as a flash wagon that probably wasn't going to go through and then immediately moves into lynching them because ???