A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[SirCakez]

I was trying to talk about the main big wagons from VCs, forgot about the Tictac flash wagon since it dissipated quickly.
And yeah it's obviously biased because its from my POV, you can add whatever.
Dwlee's neutral role was obviously a reference to Rome and Juliet :p

[The Pied Piper]

okay my vote is now serious lmao

that's the spirit lol

[Skybird]

Hey Piper, is there something you want explained or discussed since you are happy with your scum read on me?

[Skybird]

Also, Welcome Dwlee! Good luck with Romeo and Juliet. I remember reading that in HS.

[Dwlee99]

I was trying to talk about the main big wagons from VCs, forgot about the Tictac flash wagon since it dissipated quickly.
And yeah it's obviously biased because its from my POV, you can add whatever.
Dwlee's neutral role was obviously a reference to Rome and Juliet :p

actually it is a reference to rob's last game "Midsummer Night's Dream" in which I was "Puck" the Mischievous matchmaker who needed to loverize two pairs of town and mafia combos to win.

[Dwlee99]

okay my vote is now serious lmao

that's the spirit lol

you bet'cha

Also, Welcome Dwlee! Good luck with Romeo and Juliet. I remember reading that in HS.

thanks for both

[Malakittens]

Romeo and Juliet was the best reading I ever enjoyed in HS. That along with a few others. <3.

Anyways I decided to go to bed last night at 5PM and didn't wake up til 830 this morning. ._.

[itlepip]

Mirhawk, Dav read ASAP.

[Malakittens]

Uh been leaning scum for Mirhawk for a lot of stuff was that done D1.
Dav has been null for majority of the game so yea

[itlepip]

no, I need Mirhawk to give his current read on Dav.

but good job anyways.

[Malakittens]

Oh my bad xD

[davesaz]

Town. But that's not what you're looking for either.
Where's the fire btw?

[tictac]

(snip) Unspoilering for readibility.

-Skybird

The cause of that vote was because of the unvote and not commenting on anything else, which I find pretty bad considering an IC just revealed who was the leading wagon which means you should be reanalyzing and Skybird didn't.

So Skybird should immediately have new reads or avoid unvoting a

conftown

if she's town. That is backwards. Re-thinking things takes more time than making things up.

As well upon review, Skybird didn't even mention the Investigative result when voting Pist,

And why should she? It's not like Ogres result on pist was easy to miss. Do you think Sky was unaware of Ogres post?

only said

Cakez, why do you think Pist's miller claim is more town based?

I too would like to get this sorted before the game goes much further.
VOTE: Pistachion

"Just sorting someone" is an excellent excuse to join a wagon without seriously committing.

True, yet I see townies doing this all the time. I seem to remember you doing it in the Mini even.

And then

Because literally the only thing she did was pop in, unvote and leave. No comment at all on Pist being IC or how shifty that wagon was.

What's there to comment about? Pist is now confirmed town. I voted her because I have True Ogre as town. It turns out through Mod communication that Pist is town. I unvoted. Then RL intervened and I had to go do other stuff.

That's straight up backtracking.

How is that backtracking?
While it's possible that you didn't see Ogres claim the first time around,I don't believe that you didn't see the mod-announce.
Sky wanted to sort pist, pist was sorted and Sky unvoted. Where is the backtracking?

I'll add that not seeing Ogres post would be scummy in itself, cause it means you didn't pay attention to context. To me that speaks of pattern-matchy mindset of someone who is looking for things to push instead of looking for scum.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #2.12:

SirCakez:

Mirhawk, pistachi0n, tictac, Skybird (4)

Skybird:

Marquis, podoboq, The Pied Piper, SirCakez (4)

The Pied Piper:

True Ogre, Friendless Seniors, Dwlee99 (3)

Axelrod:

dramonic (1)

Mirhawk:

itlepip (1)

Not Voting:

Axelrod, Cerberus v666, Malakittens, davesaz

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-22 21:00:00)

[tictac]

Most of his content today feels like refuting my push on him and not scumhunting. Defense is fine but he's not doing much else.

Wtf? Did ya miss that I'm pushing you?
Also, have too been scumhunting.

[tictac]

I hope my flip will convince him to reevaluate how terrible his reads are.

Ya do get townpoints from wanting to scold players from beoynd the grave.

[tictac]

i don't see how podo could be any townier than he is right now

Not going that far.

[The Pied Piper]

i don't see how podo could be any townier than he is right now

Not going that far.

You will when you're older.

[The Pied Piper]

ib4 piper faux votes me

We aren't voting you today beautiful. We're voting Skybird.

[tictac]

I'd be happier with Skybird than Axel; why don't you like the Cakez wagon?

Unlike SirCakez, Skybird isn't contributing to the game. Cakez at the very least presents a visble thought progression that reads similarly to his play in our Newbie game together.

Translation: "I prefer a policy to a Cakez-lynch"

But unlike dramonic, Skybird keeps asking questions that don't lead into anything. In other words, unlike dramonic, Skybird is playing like she's trying to look helpful and like she's trying to figure things out, while dramonic just doesn't care. Despite endless questions to people with no followup, Skybird is also very limited on reads. And when she does give reads, it's when she's called out for it, and the reasons are either very general or just amount to "looks bad".

"This is why I like this policy over the other"

Spoiler: last Skybird posts since her pistachion unvote

Announcement: pistachi0n is town-aligned.

UNVOTE: pistachion

Because literally the only thing she did was pop in, unvote and leave. No comment at all on Pist being IC or how shifty that wagon was.

What's there to comment about? Pist is now confirmed town. I voted her because I have True Ogre as town. It turns out through Mod communication that Pist is town. I unvoted. Then RL intervened and I had to go do other stuff.

Dram, I think you are wrong on your Davesaz read. I feel he is town here. He hasn't been very active but he is reading the thread and asking questions.

You've commented on Axel. What about Podo makes you think he's scum?

Welcome Marquis!

Pistach, I get better as the game goes on.

What's bothering me is why you feel the need to talk about this at all.

You brought it up as a scum point against me. I'm responding with the truth.

After looking at last night's actions, how has that changed your reads?

Pist, I don't think you answered this yet. Who do you think is scum on the ranger wagon?

Pist, I don't think you answered this yet. Who do you think is scum on the ranger wagon?

Who do you think is scum? When are we going to all realise you're town?

-snip-

I'm having a hard time figuring scum out. I still think FS is scummy, but am concerned that everyone else seems to have shifted away from them. Their posting did change about halfway through D1. FS is smart enough to know that they were being scum read and to shift their comments to seem more town. I also don't think fruit (wig) vendor is AI.

I'm leaning more scum now on tictac. I read through his ISO a few days ago and didn't see much to indicate to me he was scum, but I also didn't see a lot to indicate he was town. That hasn't changed much since I read his ISO and think he could be scum skating by.

I apologize because I'm going to have to finish this up when I get back. Husband just informed me that we have to leave NOW to go look at a boat we are thinking of buying.

Welcome itlepip!

I'm not sure what you mean with post 2648. Do you mean you tried to read him and can't quite figure him out? Or did you try to engage him? lynch him? What exactly did you try to do?

who are your next best guesses for scum?

tictac

@everyone: I've been coming down with a 39ºC fever, hopefully this'll resolve soon, im not stating V/LA because i've already been inactive enough if it lasts enough to last past prod timer then i suggest i am replaced instead of prodded.

I hope you get to feeling better soon! Having a fever sucks.

Pist, I don't think you answered this yet. Who do you think is scum on the ranger wagon?

Who do you think is scum? When are we going to all realise you're town?

-snip-

I'm having a hard time figuring scum out. I still think FS is scummy, but am concerned that everyone else seems to have shifted away from them. Their posting did change about halfway through D1. FS is smart enough to know that they were being scum read and to shift their comments to seem more town. I also don't think fruit (wig) vendor is AI.

I'm leaning more scum now on tictac. I read through his ISO a few days ago and didn't see much to indicate to me he was scum, but I also didn't see a lot to indicate he was town. That hasn't changed much since I read his ISO and think he could be scum skating by.

I apologize because I'm going to have to finish this up when I get back. Husband just informed me that we have to leave NOW to go look at a boat we are thinking of buying.

True Ogre, I wanted to get back to you on this since I didn't get a chance to finish out.

I want to scum read Mirhawk but I am going back and forth on this read. Part of the reason I want to scum read him is because he is scum reading me and I agree that is a really shitty reason to scum read someone. I don't think he's right on Dave being scum. I have Dave as town. Most of the things Mirhawk has pointed out against Dave are him asking meaningless questions and not taking strong stances. But town is going to disagree on who we think are scum so again, this isn't a strong reason for scum reading him. I did like post 879 from Mirhawk. That really reads town to me. I don't agree with calling FS town just because they are a fruit vendor which Mirhawk is basically doing. If I was a mod this would be a great scum role just because most people do read it as a town role. I also didn't like that Mirhawk didn't seem to give any consideration to those of us saying Ranger was town. Anyway, this is basically the argument I am having with myself about whether Mirhawk is town or scum.

After reading the conversation between Cakez and Mirhawk, Mirhawk is moving up on my town list. I feel he has made some good points on Cakez.

-snip-

I still kind of think Seniors is town.

You're probably right. I don't think your wagon analysis piece was going to result in anything productive;

two town counter wagons doesn't really mean much with how the scum team was behaving.

-snip-

Why is this game dead all of a sudden
Spiffeh y did you have to die with your great activity ugh
For the tictac case - just look at his posts on the last page and tell me that's not scum.

While I'll commend Cakez if he's scum here because this post is pretty decently ballsy, this post also feels pretty incredibly fake. As I've said before, I don't mind when people read into dead town's reads and all that good stuff but following them blindly when you didn't really follow the player that closely the day before is pretty fucking iffy, and these sorts of "I'll miss you Spiffeh!" posts never really ring true to me.

What do you mean by the bolded PP? How do you know how the scum team was behaving?

In the second part of the quote, I agree with the "I'll miss you Spiffeh" sentiment ringing false. Put this quote along with the "I tried to save you Ranger" quote from Cakez and he just feels incredibly scummy today.

I'm caught back up now and I think it's time to vote.

VOTE: Sir Cakez

(Note: "I also don't think fruit (wig) vendor is AI." What does that mean? Did nobody question it?)

Why not just ask the question yourself? This looks more like "you should suspect Sky more or you are incompetent" AtE then an actual thing you are confused about.

For example with going to a townread on Mirhawk, her reasons just read like things scum think sound good. As in, after giving basic reasons to both townread and scumread Mirhawk that anyone could have or has already noticed, she finally settles on a weak townread because "I feel he has made some good points on Cakez".

Analysis is scummy now?

Nacho can you honestly tell me her play doesn't look like scum "scumhunting" based on... how do I put it, what scum objectively think sounds good/reasonable? And based on who seems more agreeable versus more lynchable? Basically her posts and opinions (when she actually provides them when people actually ask for them) just feel so fake, going with the flow of opinion against each player, and just... asasdffaskjhf. HER PLAY IS JUST SO APPARENTLY SCUM TO ME SINCE DAY 1 AND I FEEL LIKE I'M STARING DOWN SOME SORT OF ROBOT ALIEN HYBRID THAT NOBODY ELSE SEES.

Switching to blatant AtE now

I'm having an extremely hard time buying that her posts this game, including the most recent ones, serve more of a purpose than scum coasting and trying to at least do more than the laziest town, which may or may not be me/dramonic.

ALSO IN CAPS, WHY DO WE KEEP DOING THIS THING WHERE MULTIPLE PEOPLE AGREE SHE'S SCUM, SHE DISAPPEARS OR SOMETHING, AND THEN WE VOTE OTHER PEOPLE FOR ACTIVELY LOOKING BAD AND NOT CARING INSTEAD OF INACTIVELY LOOKING BAD BUT TRYING TO LOOK GOOD.

I just. am so frustrated by all of this. like maybe my all caps-ing looks kind of unnecessary

Nah. It looks like AtE

to everyone else but I don't get how we always have this pattern of multiple likely-town players agreeing on a scumread on a player but then shiny things happen and wooo! town wagons instead and blahhhh

If it's not clear: I really don't like how this post uses AtE to push pressure off Cakez and on the lynchbait of the day.

[The Pied Piper]

Why is Skybird lynchbait instead of scum?

[tictac]

We aren't voting you today beautiful. We're voting Skybird.

[The Pied Piper]

And you do realize that people use all types of pushes to get their preferred lynches through and that the more emotional methods are hints to an emotional investment in the push and thus are more likely to come from town?

[itlepip]

fuck me I just realized that FS and mir are confirmed the same alignment. Mir still needs to answer the question but yeah...

[podoboq]

fuck me I just realized that FS and mir are confirmed the same alignment. Mir still needs to answer the question but yeah...

You mean because of the wig thing? Not really confirmation of them being the same alignment.