↑ The Pied Piper wrote:Why is Skybird lynchbait instead of scum?
↑ The Pied Piper wrote:And you do realize that people use all types of pushes to get their preferred lynches through and that the more emotional methods are hints to an emotional investment in the push and thus are more likely to come from town?
↑ tictac wrote:↑ The Pied Piper wrote:Why is Skybird lynchbait instead of scum?
Boils down to thinking that the reasons people scumread her for are crap.
When lots of people are attacking someone for things that can be more easily explained by being new, that says 'lynchbait' to me.
I'll make an list for ya, when I'm done catching up.
↑ Malakittens wrote:↑ tictac wrote:↑ The Pied Piper wrote:Why is Skybird lynchbait instead of scum?
Boils down to thinking that the reasons people scumread her for are crap.
When lots of people are attacking someone for things that can be more easily explained by being new, that says 'lynchbait' to me.
I'll make an list for ya, when I'm done catching up.
Tbh sky bird doesn't scream new though. She's been playing for like almost two years so I think we have a different definition of new
↑ Mirhawk wrote:There's a lot to respond to here so I'm likely going to make several posts.
First off I promised to point out why I think dav's scum.
First off read his iso. Everything until he places his first vote is sidelong comments on other wagons. Half of that is throwing shade with no votes cast.
His first vote (which is not till page nine) is for what precisely? Immediately after placing it he goes back to asking pointless questions. He makes literally zero effort to convince a single person that I'm scum.
I tried to question him on the vote but then he disappeared until after that miller business at which point he was no longer interested in discussing his earlier case.
He's been sitting on me since post 213, but since then has only mentioned me once.
He didn't even call me scum in that post, rather saying I could be town or scum. :neutral:
What's he doing now? Still making sidelong comments without seemingly looking for scum at all.
He's being townread for what precisely?
↑ Mirhawk wrote:↑ pistachi0n wrote:I'm going to jump on the Mirhawk wagon.
I was reluctant because I thought some of his earliest posts had good content and I had mixed feelings about his reaction to Ami's gambit. I don't like his recent posts, though:
This is a reach, it also describes the playstyle of Mirhawk himself--he's been making a lot of comments on other wagons.
852 reads like he's trying to get credit for being skeptical/contrarian without backing it up at all.
re 858 why is it horseshit? The post he's responding to is spot-on. And instead of defending himself, he dismisses it.
A lot of his reactions to statements he disagrees with are just "no." Drive by sniping is right.
?????
You literally ISO'ed me and picked at a bunch of random shit nobody had mentioned yet. Despite the effort into making the post it feels super lazy as well. I don't think you looked very closely at the posts I was responding to, which if you had a problem with my responses you should have.
Me and Dav's playstyles are pretty different seeing as how I've been calling half the town scum, whereas Dav still hasn't gotten around to calling me scum despite voting me all game. Lots of people have commented on multiple wagons, does that mean we all have the same playstyle? I feel like you only brought this up to pad your case.
How could I get town credit for 852? In order to get credit for being skeptical of someones opinion I would need the subject of that opinion to die and flip. If you'd actually bothered reading the post I was complaining about you would have known that piper was talking about me. Was my plan to get town credit after I was dead or something?
I also would have assumed you would notice that TWL's post that 858 is talking about my early game. I mean are actually agreeing that my early interactions with Dav were a drive by? Or that despite the fact that it was a drive by they still managed to be really good questions? Or that despite the fact that they were really good questions, they weren't connected to the game? You tried to twist this into being about my later posts, and all the power to you on that. But my problem was the early game bit.
I also note that despite saying you're jumping on my wagon, you.... didn't?
↑ Mirhawk wrote:↑ davesaz wrote:
Repeating question since I didn't see much response to it. I think Dramonic is scum flying under the radar, but I don't know if this is normal for him.
Scum reads with no apparent reasons, avoiding big wagons, not addressing the topics of the day -> classic active lurking scum mode, IMO.
VOTE: Dramonic
Please discuss.
Drams fine.
All the things you're accusing him of are things town do too.
↑ Mirhawk wrote:
OMFG this is so stupid.
I don't care if you think I'm scum because my vote switch sounded fake or contrived.
But every person who thinks there was some kind of information scum would have that town wouldn't in this situation is talking out of their ass.
Unvote
This is obviously not happening.
I'm not inclined to believe that replacing out is alignment indicative, though ironically enough in the last three games I've played there have been six scum replace outs.
↑ Mirhawk wrote:↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:The accusation that she's voting a certain way specifically to ensure the skybird wagon doesn't have more votes than the FS wagon is dumb. Neither wagon has enough votes for them to be at a tipping point, and voting in that fashion isn't alignment indicative. I'd be more inclined to think that if she has indicated a greater desire to lynch you than FS(which I dont' think she has) but she is voting FS, it's to see how people deal with the situation with the various wagons.
She's stated that she will switch to my wagon if it's bigger, and it is. In fact if she switched from seniors wagon to mine it would be three votes higher than seniors, which is a significant amount.
However if she does switch that would make Skybird's wagon bigger than seniors, which is a problem for her since she's suggesting that the only two viable wagons are Seniors and Mine.
Don't get me wrong I have an ulterior motive here too. I don't want to be lynched, and I don't think Seniors is scum, so I'm against discluding Skybirds wagon from contention.
↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:
For example, before you made that accusation, i was considering voting skybird SOLELY to see who moved where in response to skybirds wagon taking the lead...but that particular ploy has lost it's value given that you just made scum more wary of individuals watching wagon movements in this situation for that exact reason.
Sorry?
↑ Mirhawk wrote:@Podo
Cakes is scum because he isn't looking for scum, rather he's coasting and has been doing so for most of the game.
In the last game I played with him (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594) he actively scumhunted constantly, in this one he vote parked on me over a thousand posts ago and hasn't done much of anything since.
How much time does he spend pushing the scumread he's had all game? Almost none. He doesn't analyze any of my posts and the extent of him pushing my wagon consists of him occasionally reminding people that he thinks I'm scum.
Also his reaction to Rangers readslist was outrageously fake.
That's why I'm voting for him at least. Not really sure as to the reasons for the other ones.
↑ Mirhawk wrote:
What? Hell no.
He parked on the easiest wagon that required the least justification and never left.
Seriously, go read his ISO. Try to find justification for his vote. When I pressed him on it he offered up some gibberish reasons, then stopped responding to me.
There's lots going on in town. There's no way that he hasn't found anything stronger than that in all this time. It's not like he isn't here, he's had a hundred posts since then.
↑ tictac wrote:↑ The Pied Piper wrote:And you do realize that people use all types of pushes to get their preferred lynches through and that the more emotional methods are hints to an emotional investment in the push and thus are more likely to come from town?
That has not been my experience.
I've seen it used for manipulation way more often.
Check out ckd from day 2 onwards here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65168
He fooled me. Never again.
Skybird, have you ever seen a situation in a game of mafia where a bad guy voted one of his scumfriends?
↑ Skybird wrote:
Yeah, I'm starting to do ISO's now to further my reads but right now here's where I am:
My strongest townread is Tammy. I'm feeling pretty confident she is town. Spiffah is also pretty town.
I'm leaning town on Dramonic. He's playing like he did in the last game I was in with him. I'm also leaning town on you.
I'm not sure about Beeboy. He's making a lot of noise and I don't see his push on FS. But maybe I'm missing something that FS has did that makes him scummy. FS is on my ISO list.
I'm trying to sort Ami right at the moment. I didn't like her statement in 685 because it sounds like she doesn't want to scum hunt.
I have a lot of null reads because they haven't posted or what they posted didn't make a big impression on me.
p-edit: TWL, what am I missing? Ami's post struck me as weird. Why does it not bother you?
↑ Skybird wrote:
I comment on what I see and in some instances who I know.For example, Tammy. I have played with her a few times and I feel this is her town game. Same with Spiffeh.I have also played with SirCakez before and I scum read him for his posting and he wasn't scum. :( I am being cautious about sorting him because I don't want to make that mistake again. I don't have an organized way I go through the player list and comment on people.
Why do you feel some people are associated together?
↑ Marquis wrote:Noting by way of Plotinus' compilation post that Skybird's readslist-esque posts oddly associate Spiffeh and Tammy prior to their death whereas the other positions are spread out. Probably doesn't mean anything on a large scale but if Skybird flips scum it's notable that scum probably noticed the lovers' associations early on.