A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[True Ogre]

Pagetop hype 420 blaze it KKona

I tried Ploti I really did.

Spoiler:

I'm having trouble dealing with this kind of content (encouraging-non-statements):

I don't understand all of your guys vocabulary yet, and I'll try to pick up everything from here until the end, but just wanted to warn you guys that I've missed some stuff.

It's okay to ask questions if you need help.

I considered replacing out, but I think this is a good opportunity to learn, so I'm gonna stay the course.

I like this attitude.

Followed by (why is podo town?):

Yo so I think Podo is town because his posts are actually good and Seniors is tunneling him for bad reasons.

What do you like about his posts specifically?

(the two are already looking at each other and Piper takes an active/neutral role in turning their focus onto each other)

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Questions arising

Do they express any surprise at Amihan's Marquis reveal? They seemed pretty interested in me-alt. And in 717 they seemed to be townreading Amihan for "genuinely" being a newbie, and gush at her. I'd expect that to be revised later based on the reveal. (Although to be fair Marquis isn't exactly a protocol player.) Egh.

744 I'm reading as trollfucking.

Also:

The trolling I've seen has only ever been scum-aligned. Smiley faces, schmoozing, dancing over the thread and not engaging. I'm taking this most recent with a small grain of salt because obviously when it's pointed out as scummy, a behaviour changes if scum. That said I appreciate your direct engagement.

In my opinion, the only one of these things that is actually a scumtell is "not engaging".
I'm interested in who you are because a lot of my recent scumgames have been breaking the meta of "Nacho only trolls as town".

No. You trollfuck as scum in my experience. You might "troll" as town, idk, but it doesn't fit my definition of "trollfucking".
Trollfucking is where you say and assert things that make no sense.


First paragraph of 764 feels like a resume. I don't know why it exists or what it proves or is supposed to achieve. It rings hollow for engagement with TWL so I doubt it's that.
But what's the reason for it? Does it get said as scum? Town? It got said.
... EGHHHH O.O
"so I feel like I'm in a good place for this game."
I mean is the expectation that there's some challenge to surmount apart from the usual "gotsa find scum"?


I don't understand the question to Skybird in 764 at all.
I asked Skybird a direct question, it's been quoted directly along with Skybird's response, and it seems completely superfluous aside from engagement maybe?
The probing on beeboy/Cakez/Axel are decent in this post but Idunno.

This is me saying I just can't read this ISO without the already-feeling that I'm in LYLO and poring over posts I already know the alignment of.
764 feels like those times that scum put down a reads-list and have to obfuscate associations. The entire post seems random and undirected with pointed questions that don't mean much.
I mean there's a town-tending on Mirhawk where their vote currently *IS* when talking to Axel

So, so far, I like Mirhawk, and I like Sir Cakes. I also really like TicTac's first post.

I am not a fan of Sakura, or Davesaz.

I agree with the Mirhawk and Sir Cakes reads at this very moment; I thought Mirhawk's aggression was pretty reasonable towards dave early game (although I don't really agree with it; dave is like that sometimes), and I like SirCakes bucking against beeboy early game, considering he was the only player who was active and aggressive at that time and bucking against it seemed like a pretty decent move if scum.

I mean I just don't fucking get it.

My modus operandi at this point is to get some thoughts on paper assuming I'm dead tomorrow, and I really tried to have an open mind here but I just DON'T GET IT.
There's so much inconsistency and lack of clarity, and combined with these easy pushes rather than trying to identify and bring strong cases which can be broken down into sensible components

I just don't get it. And I'm only halfway through Piper's ISO and I've read everything they've posted.
I get the strong feeling that they're

doing nothing

.

[The Pied Piper]

Real life is null, but it was kind of eclipsing my ability to have emotions about anything else. I want to give you huge hugs too, especially for your posts in that one zulfy thread when you were just making so much sense and everyone else was being dumb. maybe i'll pm you about it after the game.

129 was me and I posted that readslist in that format partially as a way to say hi to goodmorning because I'd used that readslist format in The Odds when we hydraed together, because of her tendency to be reticent about her reads early on in the games she ICs to prevent the newbies from sheeping her too early; she gets better reads if she can see what they come up with on their own and also how they attack her for withholding her reads before she dives in. We were in the 5% slot in the Odds which meant we only had a 5.5% chance of being scum and we were treated like a pseudo innocent child in that game (and were actually town), so it was playing with the dual meaning of IC as well in that game. In this game it was just a throwback to that and a way of saying "hi, I'm me."

But the other reason I posted my reads list in that format was because I wanted to see if anybody would follow up on it or try to guess who was in what category; I'd got some things out of it in the Odds, a few people did try to guess. But not being an innocent child in this game means that people are treating me differently than they were treating me in that game for obvious reasons.

A lot of my posts have little easter eggs like this that are references to previous games because it amuses me.

I left a translation in my hydra PT:

Ok. I have:

• 3 scumleans <--
  axelrod, friendless seniors, swordsworth
  
  
• 3-5 townleans <--
  mirhawk
  , true ogre,
  the wrong lynch
  ,
  sakura hana
  , sircakez, davesaz (roughly in that order, but true ogre isn't a public townread and sircakez/davesaz are too weak to mention, so i've bolded the 3 that i'd admit to in public.)
  
• 1 current wagon that i'm okay with <--
  Friendless seniors
  
  
• 1 current wagon that i don't understand <--
  SirCakez
  
  
• 2-3 people that I'm thinking about but I want to see more from them (this is distinct from the large group of people who haven't posted enough yet or at all) <--
  beeboy, davesaz, skybird
  
  
• ~5 people that I think that if they are town they would be easy mislynches for scum. There is a little overlap here with my scumleans) <--
  snarkysnowman, spiffeh, swordsworth, axelrod, davesaz
  
  
• 2-3 people that I think will be hard for me to read based on their playstyle so far this game or previous experience with their playstyle. I expect this number to grow once more people are posting. <--
  beeboy, spiffeh, davesaz
  
  
• A bunch of people that I'm excited to be playing with. <3 <--
  you, hippyloppy, errant, cakez, tammy, tictac, mala, goodmorning, pistachi0n
  . There is no one I dislike on this playlist but these are the people that i know well enough to be excited about them.
  
• 1 awesome hydra partner <--
  nacho
  !

The reason you weren't a public townread at that time was because it was meta based and I didn't yet want to admit that I knew who you were and I wanted to see more from you to firm up the read. cakez and davesaz were very very weak townleans at the time that I felt like if I admitted to them in public people would think they were stronger reads than they were and I was remembering being deathtunnelled for 90 pages because PhantomCobalt made me laugh on page 2 and I granted him a weaktownlean and I just didn't want to deal with that again.

The easy mislynches category was primarily meta based.

Wait - was that post you Plotinus? I seem to remember fucking one of them up. It seems VERY nacho.

Yeah, that was me. What felt most me about it was the "or something else?" tag that I tend to put on the end of questions because I can get trapped in false dichotomies easily when i'm not languaging well and I want to take care not to do it to someone else.

But the reason I at the time felt that you should know who it was, was because I mentioned my Persivul push in ClownTardis, but looking back I just said "last game" and for all you knew it could've been some other game with Persivul and Mala. Sometimes things seem clearer in my head. At the start of ClownTardis, on page 1, I was pushing Persivul as scum because he

wasn't

doing something that he'd down twice as scum early on in games I'd been in with him. I was saying "you're not doing the thing that you do when you're scum. does that mean you're scum?" which was nonsense, but it was the kind of nonsense you can get a game started with, and I was scum who needed to look like I was doing something.

I was saying that beeboy's push on seniors for not buddying them felt as stupid as my push on persivul. I abandoned the persivul push pretty quickly and I thought it was weird that beeboy kept it up for 40 pages (we're still on page 6 at the time of this post so I don't know if I was bothered by the duration of it yet.)

I used the word "genuine" because nacho says it a lot, about 6 times a month on average, (not counting hydra games).

Roughly when does Seniors become a townread of yours, Piper?
I'm up to post 709 and I know it doesn't happen before Day 2.

A few days ago when I was starting to go through their ISO because they asked me to finally sort them and I only got 30 posts in because I wasn't a good language day, but most of what I wrote about it in the hydra pt was townleany type words so that helped me figure out that it was a townlean. There was a period during day 1 when i was feeling kind of directionless and Nacho had pointed out some things of seniors that seemed townish but he wasn't around very much at the time. neither of us liked Ranger's predecessor and we had initial concerns about Ranger but I really liked her response to my concerns.

I was trying to give Seniors space because I wanted to see what they'd do with that space if people would stop tunnelling them for a while, but I was underwhelmed with the results of that at the time and towards the end of day 1 I was trusting Ranger's read on them.

I do need to finish sorting them I just have too many things on my todo list.

[True Ogre]

Egh, I thought I had a strong towntell for myself which was secret which was me alliterating things in posts but a few months after that I noticed myself doing it as scum in a resistance mishmash.
Anyway this is a post-while-reading your post and in regard to the "something else" tag.

[True Ogre]

I had this thing in the scumgame you had with you and Dave (that you won) where I felt like I connected with you like I did with ffery in Fire Emblem. That was a really interesting game (feat. Nacho and Mastina in a hydra).
I learned a probably incorrect connection townread there. She was cautious and doing her own thing but was engaging with me directly even through my own stupidity.

Connecting on a personal level in a mafia game, isn't a towntell for you. Referencing other games isn't any kind of tell either. Being right or wrong about pushes isn't a tell for you.

But pushing Mirhawk, Seniors, Ranger, Cakez and Skybird - all of whom have been or are vulnerable - without lucid explanations of that --
-- it doesn't seem like a town attitude from your hydra.

I mean I have a strong *want* to sheep you guys because I know you're both fantastic players.

[True Ogre]

I left a translation in my hydra PT:

Ok. I have:

• 3 scumleans <--
  axelrod, friendless seniors, swordsworth
  
  
• 3-5 townleans <--
  mirhawk
  , true ogre,
  the wrong lynch
  ,
  sakura hana
  , sircakez, davesaz (roughly in that order, but true ogre isn't a public townread and sircakez/davesaz are too weak to mention, so i've bolded the 3 that i'd admit to in public.)
  
• 1 current wagon that i'm okay with <--
  Friendless seniors
  
  
• 1 current wagon that i don't understand <--
  SirCakez
  
  
• 2-3 people that I'm thinking about but I want to see more from them (this is distinct from the large group of people who haven't posted enough yet or at all) <--
  beeboy, davesaz, skybird
  
  
• ~5 people that I think that if they are town they would be easy mislynches for scum. There is a little overlap here with my scumleans) <--
  snarkysnowman, spiffeh, swordsworth, axelrod, davesaz
  
  
• 2-3 people that I think will be hard for me to read based on their playstyle so far this game or previous experience with their playstyle. I expect this number to grow once more people are posting. <--
  beeboy, spiffeh, davesaz
  
  
• A bunch of people that I'm excited to be playing with. <3 <--
  you, hippyloppy, errant, cakez, tammy, tictac, mala, goodmorning, pistachi0n
  . There is no one I dislike on this playlist but these are the people that i know well enough to be excited about them.
  
• 1 awesome hydra partner <--
  nacho
  !

Well you're obviously adding the names back to that translation after the fact.
Because nobody simultaneously says "true ogre" and "you" when responding to me unless they just revised the list.

[The Pied Piper]

Podoboq just brings out my inner IC. I read his posts and all I can think of is that bbmolla quote from WDPT that I want to quote about somebody everygame and this game it's podoboq:

Just seems like new town. He's just a boy. Still has that "Oh we're playing mafia! How exciting!" spark to him. He hasn't hit the "fuck im just gonna post like once a day saying fuck you cause i hate everyone" stage yet.

Reaching out to newbs who are lost in their first large is something I feel moved to do because I remember being a lost newb in my first large. I think it's really neat what newer players bring to the game because a lot of the time they are looking outside the box and they're not accustomed to site meta so they can look at things with fresh eyes and see things in a new way. In my first large, I actually caught like 3-4 scum, completely by accident, in my very first readslist, based on skimming some ISOs and staring at a list of claims that i didn't understand, with reasoning like "it says on the wiki that you shouldn't claim vengeful if you're town" which isn't compelling and nobody was going to follow me, but the way scum reacted to being scumread for the wrong reasons should've tipped off the more experienced players.

We weren't townleaning him yet I don't think (we are now; he's in my "if someone claimed a guilty on him i would assume there was a bus driver in the setup" tier). Watching him interact with the others and watching others react to him has affected my reads.

-- about alt stuff --
I was interested in you because I knew who you were. I was metadiving people while the game was still in signups because I had 0 ongoing games at the time and I was really really really excited to be hydraing with nacho and I looked through your previous games and saw that you had altslipped previously and you are somebody that I know, somebody that I have fooled as scum twice, someone who was rightfully paranoid of me in the blitz, someone who I expected to be treating me like a box of live snakes, but here you were on an alt, with no reason to know that I knew who you were, and if you were scum why bother faking all that paranoia when you don't know how it would come across me without the context of who your main is, so yeah I was interested in you and how you would interact with me if you didn't know that I knew who you were.

Marquis was dead in WDPT by the time I replaced in and he was in the blitz for a while before he replaced out but we haven't interacted very much at all, I haven't tricked him before so I didn't expect him to be wary of me. When he alt slipped I wasn't sure if I believed the explanation or not that he was "Marquis' friend" but his newbie impression was really spot on so I was sort of inclined to believe it. You'll notice I was starting to get paranoid of him towards the end of day 1 after it was revealed (it's mixed in with my extended conversation with Ranger) but Nacho has a lot more experience with Marquis than I do and now that Nacho's caught up on the game, I'm trusting Nacho's townread there.

I think also that's where my confidence in the Skybird push is coming from: I'm hydraing with a wizard and also sheeping Marquis and lending my voice to theirs.
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I'll let Nacho reply to the parts that were about him I guess, but I'd invite you to read Wedding Invitational or Another Eclipse, Shaman Mafia (which I wouldn't consider one of his trolly games; but he was adopting a different writing style in that game as well and some people scumread him for it), maybe Gameboy Advance too though he was hydraed with Sonic in that one which accounts for some of it, also Tarot where he was hydraed with Syryana but they're hard to tell apart. (I know that's quite a few games, and his ISO is pretty huge in some of them; this isn't a homework assignment and I'm not going to ask if you read them later, but it's worth skimming some of them. I made learning to read Nacho a project back in October, and it's not easy; it took me a while to understand why he was town in Oldie Mafia, but learning that he was town in Alfred Hitchcock helped. There's one game that I'm not sure why he was scum in it, there was the absence of some towntells but he didn't do the thing that he does when he's scum. Someday I'll be town against him and can put my tells to work; I've been scum against him six times now.)

764 was Nacho's first major post of the game where he was trying to get his head in the game and get caught up and was responding to things that were catching his eye because he knew I was going to be backseat driving for a while. He'd made some appearances before then but it was mostly me.

pedit: I haven't read Fire Emblem yet. I'll put it on my todo list. i'm sorry about clowntardis. Mastina had a tell on me and I was playing around with her tell. Who do you think that we should be pushing that we're not? Is there anyone we're ignoring that we shouldn't be?

[Dwlee99]

everyone needs to adopt my playstyle: You get all your thoughts out in a few sentences instead of making huge walls of text that take 20 minutes to read and write.

I guess this isnt happening

[talah]

pedit: I haven't read Fire Emblem yet. I'll put it on my todo list. i'm sorry about clowntardis. Mastina had a tell on me and I was playing around with her tell. Who do you think that we should be pushing that we're not? Is there anyone we're ignoring that we shouldn't be?

I'm doing this thing reading the last bit of your posts and then responding, and then reading the rest.

But yes. I'd expect you to be on dramonic because he's unreadable to others, Axel because there was talk of it (me/nacho) earlier and essentially stronger players. I'd expect you personally to be comparing hiplop's play with the stupid fucking blitz where he tunnelled the shit out of me, and would expect either you OR nacho to have some kind of solid read on Sakura/Dwlee's slot.

Fire Emblem was like the largest Day 1 in MS history and had some pretty awesome mechanics with children/players *entering* the game.
Have fun with that :)

[True Ogre]

pedit: I haven't read Fire Emblem yet. I'll put it on my todo list. i'm sorry about clowntardis. Mastina had a tell on me and I was playing around with her tell. Who do you think that we should be pushing that we're not? Is there anyone we're ignoring that we shouldn't be?

I'm doing this thing reading the last bit of your posts and then responding, and then reading the rest.

But yes. I'd expect you to be on dramonic because he's unreadable to others, Axel because there was talk of it (me/nacho) earlier and essentially stronger players. I'd expect you personally to be comparing hiplop's play with the stupid fucking blitz where he tunnelled the shit out of me, and would expect either you OR nacho to have some kind of solid read on Sakura/Dwlee's slot.

Fire Emblem was like the largest Day 1 in MS history and had some pretty awesome mechanics with children/players *entering* the game.
Have fun with that :)

^me

[True Ogre]

everyone needs to adopt my playstyle: You get all your thoughts out in a few sentences instead of making huge walls of text that take 20 minutes to read and write.

I guess this isnt happening

Sorry man. I generally chill as the came goes on but it depends how not caught up I feel and who I'm responding to.

I can answer questions and stuff in sentence form, please feel free.

[The Pied Piper]

I left a translation in my hydra PT:

Ok. I have:

• 3 scumleans <--
  axelrod, friendless seniors, swordsworth
  
  
• 3-5 townleans <--
  mirhawk
  , true ogre,
  the wrong lynch
  ,
  sakura hana
  , sircakez, davesaz (roughly in that order, but true ogre isn't a public townread and sircakez/davesaz are too weak to mention, so i've bolded the 3 that i'd admit to in public.)
  
• 1 current wagon that i'm okay with <--
  Friendless seniors
  
  
• 1 current wagon that i don't understand <--
  SirCakez
  
  
• 2-3 people that I'm thinking about but I want to see more from them (this is distinct from the large group of people who haven't posted enough yet or at all) <--
  beeboy, davesaz, skybird
  
  
• ~5 people that I think that if they are town they would be easy mislynches for scum. There is a little overlap here with my scumleans) <--
  snarkysnowman, spiffeh, swordsworth, axelrod, davesaz
  
  
• 2-3 people that I think will be hard for me to read based on their playstyle so far this game or previous experience with their playstyle. I expect this number to grow once more people are posting. <--
  beeboy, spiffeh, davesaz
  
  
• A bunch of people that I'm excited to be playing with. <3 <--
  you, hippyloppy, errant, cakez, tammy, tictac, mala, goodmorning, pistachi0n
  . There is no one I dislike on this playlist but these are the people that i know well enough to be excited about them.
  
• 1 awesome hydra partner <--
  nacho
  !

Well you're obviously adding the names back to that translation after the fact.
Because nobody simultaneously says "true ogre" and "you" when responding to me unless they just revised the list.

The "you" in this post in Nacho. I didn't know well enough yet to put you in the list of people I was excited to play with. You're not someone that I have interacted with a lot outside of mafia games yet: we haven't hydraed together or had offsite experience together, I'm not your IC, you don't hang out in sitechat, we haven't been scum together yet, we didn't have a towngame together where we were deeply in sync (like I was in a marathon game with cakez where he just kept typing what i was thinking again and gain). I feel you'd be in there by now, but you weren't yet at the time.

I considered deleting the names from that list before posting the public version because I feel like every name left off people will wonder why their name wasn't there and I'm sorry for it, even though the answer was just "don't know you well enough yet for one reason or another".

[True Ogre]

Reaching out to newbs who are lost in their first large is something I feel moved to do because I remember being a lost newb in my first large. I think it's really neat what newer players bring to the game because a lot of the time they are looking outside the box and they're not accustomed to site meta so they can look at things with fresh eyes and see things in a new way.

How do you feel about reaching out to Amihan as a newb and finding out it was actually Marquis?

[True Ogre]

I left a translation in my hydra PT:

Ok. I have:

• 3 scumleans <--
  axelrod, friendless seniors, swordsworth
  
  
• 3-5 townleans <--
  mirhawk
  , true ogre,
  the wrong lynch
  ,
  sakura hana
  , sircakez, davesaz (roughly in that order, but true ogre isn't a public townread and sircakez/davesaz are too weak to mention, so i've bolded the 3 that i'd admit to in public.)
  
• 1 current wagon that i'm okay with <--
  Friendless seniors
  
  
• 1 current wagon that i don't understand <--
  SirCakez
  
  
• 2-3 people that I'm thinking about but I want to see more from them (this is distinct from the large group of people who haven't posted enough yet or at all) <--
  beeboy, davesaz, skybird
  
  
• ~5 people that I think that if they are town they would be easy mislynches for scum. There is a little overlap here with my scumleans) <--
  snarkysnowman, spiffeh, swordsworth, axelrod, davesaz
  
  
• 2-3 people that I think will be hard for me to read based on their playstyle so far this game or previous experience with their playstyle. I expect this number to grow once more people are posting. <--
  beeboy, spiffeh, davesaz
  
  
• A bunch of people that I'm excited to be playing with. <3 <--
  you, hippyloppy, errant, cakez, tammy, tictac, mala, goodmorning, pistachi0n
  . There is no one I dislike on this playlist but these are the people that i know well enough to be excited about them.
  
• 1 awesome hydra partner <--
  nacho
  !

Well you're obviously adding the names back to that translation after the fact.
Because nobody simultaneously says "true ogre" and "you" when responding to me unless they just revised the list.

The "you" in this post in Nacho. I didn't know well enough yet to put you in the list of people I was excited to play with. You're not someone that I have interacted with a lot outside of mafia games yet: we haven't hydraed together or had offsite experience together, I'm not your IC, you don't hang out in sitechat, we haven't been scum together yet, we didn't have a towngame together where we were deeply in sync (like I was in a marathon game with cakez where he just kept typing what i was thinking again and gain). I feel you'd be in there by now, but you weren't yet at the time.

I considered deleting the names from that list before posting the public version because I feel like every name left off people will wonder why their name wasn't there and I'm sorry for it, even though the answer was just "don't know you well enough yet for one reason or another".

Yeah and I thought that afterward and wondered why you would simultaneously say "you" and then in the next line refer to him as "nacho".
Either way.

[True Ogre]

Because you put a particular focus on me saying I'm not "a public townread" and fail to elaborate in that post as well. If you'd already exposed what you knew to nacho it would have been something more like "ogre/talah".

Cracks appearing Ploti.

[The Pied Piper]

pedit: I haven't read Fire Emblem yet. I'll put it on my todo list. i'm sorry about clowntardis. Mastina had a tell on me and I was playing around with her tell. Who do you think that we should be pushing that we're not? Is there anyone we're ignoring that we shouldn't be?

I'm doing this thing reading the last bit of your posts and then responding, and then reading the rest.

But yes. I'd expect you to be on dramonic because he's unreadable to others, Axel because there was talk of it (me/nacho) earlier and essentially stronger players. I'd expect you personally to be comparing hiplop's play with the stupid fucking blitz where he tunnelled the shit out of me, and would expect either you OR nacho to have some kind of solid read on Sakura/Dwlee's slot.

Fire Emblem was like the largest Day 1 in MS history and had some pretty awesome mechanics with children/players *entering* the game.
Have fun with that

^me

Fire Emblem read is probably not going to happen while this game is ongoing, maybe not till my next mafia break.

Dramonic and Axel are in the "I would be mildly surprised if they were scum but it wouldn't disrupt my view of the game state too badly" tier right now. Dram is unreadable but I don't know if me trying to interact with him will magically force him to become readable or not. Axel's tone feels weird to me and it feels like he's spinning his wheels a lot.

hippy was whiteknighting me day 1 in the blitz but then after he finished tunnelling you he started tunnelling me for no reason and it feels like he's tunnelling me for no reason again but I want to respond the way I did to RC: answer him if he says something new or interesting, otherwise just put him on mute. And the timing of his push bothered me because I was having a health problem in the blitz and instantly he and a bunch of people jumped on me and then in this game I have a health problem and a bunch of people jump on me again and it felt like what people were reacting to was the way that health stuff affects my language use but I had that meltdown in my hydra PT instead of in public and I know correlation isn't causation but this has happened in like 10 games with various people and nobody's doing it on purpose because they don't even know what's going on with me but it leaves me feeling like I shouldn't post in public when I'm not feeling well because I get punished for it. But there's nothing I can ask anybody to do differently, I can't ask people to read my mind or to not scumhunt me, I should just...not post when I'm not feeling well because it clearly bothers me more than it should and I tend to overreact to innocuous things when I'm not feeling well.

But there are also these minute differences like instead of just jumping on me they say they want to look some things up first about me, or instead of just jumping on me they asked me some questions first, and then I pointed out these town pings that i could just ignore if i were scum and they called me scum for that too.

But like the main reason that i'm ignoring them is that i can't approach that read objectively right now. I know they're not pushing me on real life stuff, but the timing of it makes it feel like they are and i can tell i'm just being irrational but I got 30 posts into their ISO the other day with the start of an ISO map and there are these little townsigns here and there and little posts that I liked here and there. I think they might be a read that i'm going to need to sheep nacho on because I can't right now.

i also want to sheep Nacho on Sakura/dwlee. I think he was townleaning her. They never really got to interact in real time because he wasn't around or when he was around he was trying to get caught up, and then she got sick. I've only played with dwlee once but I was scum so I didn't pay much attention to him. He tends to get mislynched a lot as town and he tends to get caught early enough as scum so he's going to be one of those players that takes effort to read. Sakura would've been easier I think.

I really need to make lunch. I'm getting kind of dizzy.

[The Pied Piper]

Reaching out to newbs who are lost in their first large is something I feel moved to do because I remember being a lost newb in my first large. I think it's really neat what newer players bring to the game because a lot of the time they are looking outside the box and they're not accustomed to site meta so they can look at things with fresh eyes and see things in a new way.

How do you feel about reaching out to Amihan as a newb and finding out it was actually Marquis?

Sheepish but also kind of impressed/amused that he tricked me. But it's another reason for me to sheep nacho on that read.

[The Pied Piper]

Yeah and I thought that afterward and wondered why you would simultaneously say "you" and then in the next line refer to him as "nacho".
Either way.

I don't know, I just did. Believe me or don't. This isn't the kind of thing I would lie about.

Because you put a particular focus on me saying I'm not "a public townread" and fail to elaborate in that post as well. If you'd already exposed what you knew to nacho it would have been something more like "ogre/talah".

Cracks appearing Ploti.

This is another thing I didn't lie about that you didn't believe me about the last time we talked about this but I didn't care enough to try to convince you: I told him that you were an alt who had reason to be paranoid of me if you were town, that you hadn't played with him often or recently. I didn't tell him who you were.

When Jim replaced in, I told him that Jim was an alt of someone that he knew well and told him in very vague terms how I expected Jim to treat us but Jim hadn't altslipped (I figured it out a different way), so I was a little more careful there.

Alt guessing is fun, why would I spoil it for him?

[Dwlee99]

I have kind of skimmed the posts from the last page but I am going to.need to write down points from the things cause I just skimmed the posts from the last page an hour ago but oops cant remember.
Forget why specifically but ogre is.probably town from the last page of posts. Was probanly something with tone just like most ofmy reads but I will update when I reread the other page.

[talah]

Axel's tone feels weird to me and it feels like he's spinning his wheels a lot.

I'd be up for voting that way, would you?

hippy was whiteknighting me day 1 in the blitz but then after he finished tunnelling you he started tunnelling me for no reason and it feels like he's tunnelling me for no reason again but I want to respond the way I did to RC: answer him if he says something new or interesting, otherwise just put him on mute.

*hrmgrmmmgrmmmchuckle*

And the timing of his push bothered me because I was having a health problem in the blitz and instantly he and a bunch of people jumped on me and then in this game I have a health problem and a bunch of people jump on me again and it felt like what people were reacting to was the way that health stuff affects my language use but I had that meltdown in my hydra PT instead of in public and I know correlation isn't causation but this has happened in like 10 games with various people and nobody's doing it on purpose because they don't even know what's going on with me but it leaves me feeling like I shouldn't post in public when I'm not feeling well because I get punished for it. But there's nothing I can ask anybody to do differently, I can't ask people to read my mind or to not scumhunt me, I should just...not post when I'm not feeling well because it clearly bothers me more than it should and I tend to overreact to innocuous things when I'm not feeling well.

I can see how you'd feel I'm not on your side with regard to jumping on you, but your hydra hasn't been jumped on this game.
I mean we've started with me and Seniors and a couple of others have either voted or expressed suspicion. It's not exactly a pariah situation.
Is it town jumping on you then? If so why do you feel like you do when hiplop (scum) jumped on you in that other game? Do you think hiplop's scum then?

HAVE YOUR LUNCH PLEASE IT'S A MAFIA GAME NOT AN IMPERATIVE

anyway it's late for me, see you tomorrow.

Let's do this then:

UNVOTE: The Pied Piper
VOTE: Malakittens

Come together with nacho and explain to me why Mala *isn't* scum.

[talah]

fuck

[True Ogre]

Axel's tone feels weird to me and it feels like he's spinning his wheels a lot.

I'd be up for voting that way, would you?

hippy was whiteknighting me day 1 in the blitz but then after he finished tunnelling you he started tunnelling me for no reason and it feels like he's tunnelling me for no reason again but I want to respond the way I did to RC: answer him if he says something new or interesting, otherwise just put him on mute.

*hrmgrmmmgrmmmchuckle*

And the timing of his push bothered me because I was having a health problem in the blitz and instantly he and a bunch of people jumped on me and then in this game I have a health problem and a bunch of people jump on me again and it felt like what people were reacting to was the way that health stuff affects my language use but I had that meltdown in my hydra PT instead of in public and I know correlation isn't causation but this has happened in like 10 games with various people and nobody's doing it on purpose because they don't even know what's going on with me but it leaves me feeling like I shouldn't post in public when I'm not feeling well because I get punished for it. But there's nothing I can ask anybody to do differently, I can't ask people to read my mind or to not scumhunt me, I should just...not post when I'm not feeling well because it clearly bothers me more than it should and I tend to overreact to innocuous things when I'm not feeling well.

I can see how you'd feel I'm not on your side with regard to jumping on you, but your hydra hasn't been jumped on this game.
I mean we've started with me and Seniors and a couple of others have either voted or expressed suspicion. It's not exactly a pariah situation.
Is it town jumping on you then? If so why do you feel like you do when hiplop (scum) jumped on you in that other game? Do you think hiplop's scum then?

HAVE YOUR LUNCH PLEASE IT'S A MAFIA GAME NOT AN IMPERATIVE

anyway it's late for me, see you tomorrow.

Let's do this then:

UNVOTE: The Pied Piper
VOTE: Malakittens

Come together with nacho and explain to me why Mala *isn't* scum.

^me
sorry rob15

[SirCakez]

Dwlee is 100% right. People forget scumreada all the time. Shit happens. Cerb knows that, and him pushing this angle is ridiculous. Same with Nacho (IMO top 10 scumhujters on site), Plotinus (spectacular)

These people pushing a case this bad is just plain scummy.

>Borderlands Mafia is a great example of town forgetting things and getting mislynched for it.

Although Dwlee I would like to hear who your scumreads are.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #2.14:

Skybird:

Marquis, podoboq, The Pied Piper, SirCakez, Malakittens, Mirhawk (6)

The Pied Piper:

Friendless Seniors, Dwlee99, dramonic (3)

SirCakez:

pistachi0n, tictac, Skybird (3)

Mirhawk:

itlepip, Cerberus v666 (2)

Malakittens:

True Ogre (1)

Not Voting:

Axelrod, davesaz

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-22 21:00:00)

[Skybird]

Dwlee, if anything I'm buddying skybird. You happen to be on the right track

Also something something beetlejuice re:pipers

I'm not sure why you are buddying me. I was all for your lynch D1.

True Ogre is one of my top town reads and I may just sheep him for now. I was going to sheep Tammy today but we all know what happened.

[SirCakez]

I could do an Axel wagon also. I can pull together some points when I get home on him.