A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Dwlee99]

Ok so no, this seniors wagon is trash.
Tictac called marquis scum for their.skybird push, let's lynch them tyvm

Why are you so confident that Seniors is town?

the interactions I've had w/ them

[podoboq]

Not the composition, but the fact that it even exists.

@Podo

I don't know what to say at this point. FS is uber scummy and you seem to disagree for some reason.

"FS is town because interactions I've had make them seem town to me" isn't really good enough to convince me otherwise. This post from Axel is something.

Re-re-reading Sky in light of flip.

She didn't give a lot of strong reads. True Ogre, davesaz, Dramonic strong town. TicTac and Mirhawk were kind of null/waffling. Her only votes ever were Friendless Seniors and SirCakez.

Of those, I think the FS one was the one that had a greater chance of actually happening. I don't think Cakez ever got over even three votes.

This is the kind of discussion you should be forwarding if you want to save FS.

[Marquis]

It is entirely possible some of this comes from the fact that FS is no longer screaming I am scum every time he posts, which has a tendency to make me want to respond in kind, which is a character flaw in my game that I recognize.

...this is a post i make in like 90% of my scumgames

noting just because it fits the pattern of scum!axel i kinda saw earlier but anyway

[davesaz]

Not the composition, but the fact that it even exists.

@Podo

I don't know what to say at this point. FS is uber scummy and you seem to disagree for some reason.

"FS is town because interactions I've had make them seem town to me" isn't really good enough to convince me otherwise. This post from Axel is something.

Re-re-reading Sky in light of flip.

She didn't give a lot of strong reads. True Ogre, davesaz, Dramonic strong town. TicTac and Mirhawk were kind of null/waffling. Her only votes ever were Friendless Seniors and SirCakez.

Of those, I think the FS one was the one that had a greater chance of actually happening. I don't think Cakez ever got over even three votes.

This is the kind of discussion you should be forwarding if you want to save FS.

If anything, Axel's observation points to those two (Friendless Seniors and SirCakez) being scum. Skybird was being most careful to do things to get herself townread. She appears to have wanted to avoid getting on the wrong side of anyone who would be townread by a majority. Kingmaking Tammy (or trying to) was going to be her path to near conftown status, it certainly had me fooled. I think it's likely that her votes would be on partners for two reasons, both to avoid antagonizing town and to distance from partners.

Not saying both of them are definitely scum because of it, but I think they should stay in the pool.

[podoboq]

Not the composition, but the fact that it even exists.

@Podo

I don't know what to say at this point. FS is uber scummy and you seem to disagree for some reason.

"FS is town because interactions I've had make them seem town to me" isn't really good enough to convince me otherwise. This post from Axel is something.

Re-re-reading Sky in light of flip.

She didn't give a lot of strong reads. True Ogre, davesaz, Dramonic strong town. TicTac and Mirhawk were kind of null/waffling. Her only votes ever were Friendless Seniors and SirCakez.

Of those, I think the FS one was the one that had a greater chance of actually happening. I don't think Cakez ever got over even three votes.

This is the kind of discussion you should be forwarding if you want to save FS.

If anything, Axel's observation points to those two (Friendless Seniors and SirCakez) being scum. Skybird was being most careful to do things to get herself townread. She appears to have wanted to avoid getting on the wrong side of anyone who would be townread by a majority. Kingmaking Tammy (or trying to) was going to be her path to near conftown status, it certainly had me fooled. I think it's likely that her votes would be on partners for two reasons, both to avoid antagonizing town and to distance from partners.

Not saying both of them are definitely scum because of it, but I think they should stay in the pool.

I agree that this alone wouldn't exonerate FS, but it definitely is a point in favor of town if confscum was voting for you at a point when you were a real threat to get lynched.

[Marquis]

or you know, we both had hella personal things to deal with?

fuck off I wouldn't lie about that

This isn't and hasn't been my issue with your slot. My issue is that when you do come in, you've been defending Skybird in a way not at all uncharacteristic of how you personally defend a scumpartner to death, your stances on other competing wagons have felt opportunistic, and it's like you always try to discredit people scumreading you or scumread them in turn instead of putting forth the kind of helpful townplay I know you're capable of.

The only issue I have with your inactivity is how multiple times now, you've used it to strawman the arguments of people scumreading you in this very way (the inactivity is not alignment indicative, but always defaulting to use that as your defense when we have more prominent issues with your play is).

[Marquis]

I say "he could potentially have not sent a vendor action because he was using another scum action", you say "fuck off we had personal things to deal with". I get that but I don't take it as any valid excuse from scum anymore, and it's still not the meat of the issue.

[Axelrod]

I decided to look at Skybird wagon first:

Skybird: Marquis, podoboq, Malakittens, Mirhawk, Axelrod, pistachi0n, True Ogre, The Pied Piper, Dwlee99 (9)
The Pied Piper: Friendless Seniors, dramonic, davesaz (3)
Mirhawk: itlepip, Cerberus v666, SirCakez (3)
SirCakez: tictac, Skybird (2)

1st Vote

: Marquis at #2875. This is just a continuation vote from earlier push going back to D1. Marquis is Town, or Town has no Cop and we are going to lose.

2nd Vote

: podoboq at #2876. "Marquis is right," which isn't the greatest, but it looks like podo had Sky in at least his "top 3rd" list of suspicious people. He doesn't have his own case, but is basically barning Marquis and being fairly transparant about it. I've been reading podo strongly town most of the game.

3rd Vote

: malakittens at #3160. This is just a naked vote. In isolation, I would have said it could be a candidate for a possible Bus vote, but, malakittens/TWL has now been cop cleared, so, probably not.

4th Vote

: mirhawk at #3161. Not the greatest vote. Admittedly waggoning because he can't get momentum on his preferred lynch (Cakez). But he voted Skybird on D1 also, and never appeared to change his opinion on her. Mirhawk still looks okay.

5th Vote

: Me at #3398. I mean, do your own assessment. I reviewed her, didn't like her. Pretty much 'nuff said.

6th Vote

: pistachion (confirmed Town)

7th Vote

: True Ogre at #3468. Pretty much just a wagon vote as we approached deadline. Skybird was not Ogre's focus before this, it was mainly PP. He was "really skeptical" of a Skybird lynch as of #3325. The whole sequence is a little weird as it kind of reads like Ogre suspecting PP, to going along and following with him. (Note: PP was voting for Skybird before this, but will subsequently unvote, and then go back to voting which is why Ogre's vote comes first on this votecount). This one is another possible bus vote.

8th Vote

: PP at #3591 "I'm tired". As noted, PP was previously voting for Sky in #2877, but then unvoted in #3545. PP also did that huge "ISO Map" of Skybird's game activity in #3114, which looked like too much work for scum (though I've been told, not for him?). I don't know, the Unvote looks a little weird. PP talks about wanting to give Skybird "space" so Sky can give her reads, and it's all a little too earnest for me somehow.

9th Vote

: Dwlee99 at #3612. Naked hammer drop. Also a complete reversal from #3519, and #3553. Apparently his opinion changed very rapidly over the span of like 2 posts. This was also close to deadline. Still kind of eeeehhh. Dwlee is going to be a hard read for me with that style, but didn't love this.

If this isn't an all town wagon, the worst looking votes here are TrueOgre, PP and Dwlee.

Also noteworthy there were some other Skybird voters who left the wagon before the end - I believe Cakez and itlepip both were voting her at some point.

I haven't looked at the other people who were voting other people at the end yet.

[Friendless Seniors]

VOTE: tictac

even more scum than TPP

[Dwlee99]

^^

[Friendless Seniors]

I think also that if you were town you would be a lot more worried about the little yes-man you've acquired.

dwlee is pre obvious town, sorry.

You're scum but can you cut this charade?

[podoboq]

I think also that if you were town you would be a lot more worried about the little yes-man you've acquired.

1) I think this is a valid point
2) lol

[Friendless Seniors]

and like...honestly, hes pushing the right people so worst comes to worst hes bussing.

idrc about that.

Podo plz don't be stupid.

[Friendless Seniors]

This isn't and hasn't been my issue with your slot. My issue is that when you do come in, you've been defending Skybird in a way not at all uncharacteristic of how you personally defend a scumpartner to death, your stances on other competing wagons have felt opportunistic, and it's like you always try to discredit people scumreading you or scumread them in turn instead of putting forth the kind of helpful townplay I know you're capable of.

provide one example of that. Guess what, I defend but NEVER stick my neck out. Seriously. you are *sooooooooooooo* wrong. Are you fucking kidding me? I was on tictac/TPP WAY before they were on me. This is a fucking discredit.

The only issue I have with your inactivity is how multiple times now, you've used it to strawman the arguments of people scumreading you in this very way (the inactivity is not alignment indicative, but always defaulting to use that as your defense when we have more prominent issues with your play is).

Yea, okay. Whatever marquis.

[Friendless Seniors]

like, if you really think I'd go that fucking hard to protect fucking "gonna die tomorrow anyway" skybird, you're ill.

[SirCakez]

I don't like this Seniors wagon. Tictac's jump on especially feels opportunistic.

Would much prefer Axel, Mir, or tictac wagon.

[Friendless Seniors]

tictac needs to die, yeah.

[Friendless Seniors]

I appreciate cerbs townread on me, but he seems to townread everyone?

Don't like his slot at ALL.

[Dwlee99]

I feel like one of the only people to be town reading both cakez and seniors o3o

[Friendless Seniors]

I am too

[Dwlee99]

townreading yourself is a scum tell!
/s

[Cerberus v666]

I appreciate cerbs townread on me, but he seems to townread everyone?

Don't like his slot at ALL.

That's untrue. I want mirhawk dead. I'm okay with an axel lynch. Other than that I've only commented on my townreads. Because people keep trying to lynch them.

[Friendless Seniors]

how tf do you townread tictac

it makes no sense.

null, maybe. But like...townread?

Axel would be OK with me, I guess? also holy hell beetlejuice

[Cerberus v666]

how tf do you townread tictac

it makes no sense.

null, maybe. But like...townread?

Axel would be OK with me, I guess? also holy hell beetlejuice

I never townread tictac. I assume you're referring to something else?

And...I'm still probably the most active person here, even if I'm not spamming and posting as much as normal. I refresh my ego compulsively and read everything new whenever the name of the last poster changes.

[Friendless Seniors]

cerb, walk me through your tictac read? what is it exactly?