I'm also pretty sure CyTheFlyGuy is her scumpartner, and don't forget about that if I die (and if you're protective and not protecting me you're making a serious mistake.)
He put Huntress as one of his major scumreads but refused to vote, called the wagon odd, and is blatantly setting up for her scumflip (trying to call me out for bussing pre-flip on a wagon he's not even on.)
Rest of the game are variants of townreads. If I'm wrong about one of my townreads it's probably Tojam.
I still have her as my biggest scumread ^^. I haven't voted bc if I did, it would be the hammer vote, which would lynch her. We still should give her time, as we still have over a week (tho maybe we can get it over with sooner lol)
And, uh, what's a scumflip?
Sides, why would, hypothetically speaking, of course, I make her a major scumread if I'm her partner? Like is that a thing here? lol
I do have suspicion on someone else, but as I'm about to leave for the night, I'll save it until tomorrow for me.
OH FUCK YOU AREN'T THE ONE WHO SAID I WAS BUSSING.
VOTE: Huntress
Sorry, got confused.
I need to reread this and organize my thoughts.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
↑Hoppic wrote:Although, even at L1, if she knows she could get lynched any minute, why isn't she giving us her reads to help us in the next day after she flips town?
Because I've been too busy catching up and responding to the weekend's posts. But my strongest read is pretty obvious and my second is probably cy unless he can satisfy me about the stuff below.
↑cytheflyguy wrote:Tbf...Huntress seems kinda scum even more to me and makes me want to hammer lol.
Like I'm not kidding. In the next 12-24 hours, if Huntress does not start answering questions by stopping being so hesitant to answer and addressing people when they ask you a question at L1, I will not be afraid to hammer. Whether she be town or not, I will take responsibility for the action.
Where is this question which you say was asked at L-1 and which you claim I haven't answered?
Where have I been hesitant?
Why are you trying to rush a lynch when we've still got nearly a week of discussion time left?
And more importantly, from my point of view, why are you in a hurry to stop me posting just when I have more time to do so?
1 & 2: I'm mainly referring to the points that other people are making (like on post 222 (which is something I need to address soon as I'm also accused xD)), they are things I agree with, so those are things you should take up with other people.
3: I have a strong hunch on you.
4: I didn't stop you? Like I gave you 12-24 hours. That's reasonable time imo.
I still have suspicion on you, but I don't want to hammer just yet.
1 & 2. Nope; I'm taking it up with you. You raised two specific points which you implied were serious enough to warrant a hammer, but when I challenged you on them you can't explain them and just refer to a post which contains neither of them. So how come they were that important to you?
4. No; it's not a reasonable time for what I still want to get out of this Day. There's still stuff I need to follow up.
↑cytheflyguy wrote:Wait...but that means that she's lynched...
↑thatguy wrote:I hate everyone on the Huntress wagon right now. All four are my top scum reads. Welp. ISO here i come.
This right here folks. Know how to tell your scum reads are flawed? They tell you more than 2 players are scum, in a newbie game.
How about, instead of just tossing out accusations of being scum, explain why you are positive she is town? My understanding of the possible roles means you can't know she is town. Well, unless you are scum yourself. So you are trusting your intuition... the same intuition that is now telling you 4 players in a 2 scum game are scum. It doesn't make sense. It's like the OJ trial-0 if it doesn't fit, you must acquit.
If your scum reads are wrong, maybe your town read on huntress (which you haven't explained as far as I see?) is also wrong. And we know for a fact your scum reads are at least 50% wrong.
Oh, wow, I never thought of that. Thank you for telling me that I can't have more than two scum reads. I don't think I've ever considered that to be a possibility.
I think what you meant was that four people were much more likely to be scum. Of course, there is at most two actual scum amongst them but each one has a raised probability. For example, I have two strong scumreads (RC and Huntress) and two weak scumreads (Cytheflyguy and Hoppic)
I still have no idea why you voted me though. Thatguy, can you please explain your scumreads?
Obviously he is implying that. But why? What makes him so sure huntress is town? Why isn't he explaining his reasoning? Seems pretty scummy to me. Maybe thatguy is the scum partner.
If she doesn't claim she's just trying to buy time for herself, 24 hours until I lynch, I'd vote today if it wasn't for Ghostwheel (explain why Huntress is town please).
If "meta" states that I have a tendency to be livid when I'm about to hammered as town, then "meta" can go screw itself.
- Tenshii in Open 646
↑tojam2 wrote:If she doesn't claim she's just trying to buy time for herself, 24 hours until I lynch, I'd vote today if it wasn't for Ghostwheel (explain why Huntress is town please).
Basically me. I think I may lynch in like 6-12 hours, but first I want to finish my response to her so no one can say it's a random vote or I have no reason.
↑Hoppic wrote:Although, even at L1, if she knows she could get lynched any minute, why isn't she giving us her reads to help us in the next day after she flips town?
Because I've been too busy catching up and responding to the weekend's posts. But my strongest read is pretty obvious and my second is probably cy unless he can satisfy me about the stuff below.
↑cytheflyguy wrote:Tbf...Huntress seems kinda scum even more to me and makes me want to hammer lol.
Like I'm not kidding. In the next 12-24 hours, if Huntress does not start answering questions by stopping being so hesitant to answer and addressing people when they ask you a question at L1, I will not be afraid to hammer. Whether she be town or not, I will take responsibility for the action.
Where is this question which you say was asked at L-1 and which you claim I haven't answered?
Where have I been hesitant?
Why are you trying to rush a lynch when we've still got nearly a week of discussion time left?
And more importantly, from my point of view, why are you in a hurry to stop me posting just when I have more time to do so?
1 & 2: I'm mainly referring to the points that other people are making (like on post 222 (which is something I need to address soon as I'm also accused xD)), they are things I agree with, so those are things you should take up with other people.
3: I have a strong hunch on you.
4: I didn't stop you? Like I gave you 12-24 hours. That's reasonable time imo.
I still have suspicion on you, but I don't want to hammer just yet.
1 & 2. Nope; I'm taking it up with you. You raised two specific points which you implied were serious enough to warrant a hammer, but when I challenged you on them you can't explain them and just refer to a post which contains neither of them. So how come they were that important to you?
4. No; it's not a reasonable time for what I still want to get out of this Day. There's still stuff I need to follow up.
↑cytheflyguy wrote:Wait...but that means that she's lynched...
No it doesn't.
And that's all I've got time for tonight
Honestly, my reason of suspecting you to be scum has changed. You seem extra on the defense now. People make better defenses against you on top of that, so that is another factor for me.
↑cytheflyguy wrote:Sides, why would, hypothetically speaking, of course, I make her a major scumread if I'm her partner? Like is that a thing here? lol
It's called bussing (pushing a wagon on a scumpartner) and is very common, although if you haven't heard of if I doubt you're doing it. This is why I doubt Cy/Huntress. Of course, Cytheflyguy could be scum with someone else.
Also. RC, do you have any reasons for your read on me? Please explain. Is it because I said you may be bussing?
I still have a moderate scumread on Huntress but I'm worried that she will be lynched too early. We've got 6 days so we should probably use them. However, I get the feeling that Tojam will lynch very soon. As Ghostwheel suggested, I should probably let him vote and take control of the hammer. In the meantime, I'm voting my other strongest scumread.
I do still think that Huntress is likely to be scum.
But this is scum, 100%. I'll walk you thorugh it when I"m sober.
If you think she's scum, and she was a L1, why are you changing your vote for no reason? We already have a good wagon and I think we should just follow through.
The only way I can see RC being certain is if he's scum or misrepresenting my posts. This only strengthens my scumread. If you have anything to say about it, please explain sooner rather than later.
Anyway, it's been a while since I've done a reads list and now I have stronger reads so I'll group from town to scum.
-Huntress is twisting my words around again.
-Multiple townreads are scumreading BTD when just don't get it. I'd like to hear a bit of an explanation.
-The more thatguy starts talking the happier I'll be because I'm really interested in the read progression there. Particularly on me, RC, and BTD.
↑Huntress wrote:1 & 2. Nope; I'm taking it up with you. You raised two specific points which you implied were serious enough to warrant a hammer, but when I challenged you on them you can't explain them and just refer to a post which contains neither of them. So how come they were that important to you?
Honestly, my reason of suspecting you to be scum has changed. You seem extra on the defense now. People make better defenses against you on top of that, so that is another factor for me.
What stuff do you want to "follow up" on anyway?
So you concede that those two points you mentioned had no basis in fact but now you want to lynch me because I contested them? What "better defences" are you referring to here?
Stuff I want to follow up? Well, the questions I asked in my earlier posts for a start.
Current scumreads are Ghost and cy, plus weaker scumreads on karnos and BTD.
↑Ghostwheel wrote:K sorry I'm kind of dealing with a lot right now.
Notable things:
-Huntress is twisting my words around again.
Do you mean 241? It might help if you could explain 175 a bit more. You told another player that they should be voting for huntress even though you didn't want her lynched, but at some point you changed and did want her lynched. I'd like to know more about how that change happened.
↑Ghostwheel wrote:-Multiple townreads are scumreading BTD when just don't get it. I'd like to hear a bit of an explanation.
Why do you townread him? If someone was buddying me as strongly as he's buddying you, I'd be suspicious. Why aren't you?
↑Ghostwheel wrote:-The more thatguy starts talking the happier I'll be because I'm really interested in the read progression there. Particularly on me, RC, and BTD.
Or maybe it's the other way around. Either way, it's like there's a connection between ghostwheel and btd6. Not a scummy connection, necessarily, but something going on there. Does anyone else think so?
Like I said, a few people on here (example: cy, BTD) were unsure about how the game was paced. BTD was afraid of the thatguy pressure, while cy's trigger finger as as itchy as I've ever seen it. Many people have different interpretations of what a vote means, or whether they feel like they should commit to it. I merely gave my impression of how the game should be paced, that I'm gathering support, focusing discussion, and getting people to evaluate. It can lead to an eventual lynch if people see it my way, or if they disagree, I'll either be stubborn and try to convince them or evaluate some likely new tack of information. I am well aware that I'm the one doing this, and I absolutely take responsibility for the lynch.
As for what changed, nothing really. A scumread's got two components: how strong it is, and how likely you think it will change in the future. Basically Huntress has always been my strongest scumread but as the wagon's been building and she's been defending herself the read had tightened up and I feel more and more comfortable with the lynch.
Regarding BTD and me: BTD's done some silly things this game. People have been quick to cast shade on him for that. For example when he copread that guy and outed him when the copread was based on absolutely nothing, I thought Huntress looked a lot worse in that interaction than BTD ever did. When he said RC and Huntress were scumreads and RC was like "Doesn't that mean I'm busing?!?!?!?" I think it's pretty clear that BTD was looking at independent reads and not doing pre flip associative stuff right then. Even you Hoppic, you called him out for being confident cy's behavior earlier was newb when it clearly was. I've seen a lot of newb town get picked on in the past because opportunistic scum see that they crack under pressure and get EZ mislynched. Pretty sure BTD respects my opinion because I'm not on his fucking case all the time. I've said it before, when he starts pushing real cases I'll be on my guard because I read him as null-slight newbtown at best (again read confidence is low because he hasn't done much).
Me buddying BTD is a better case to be sure, but anything looks like buddying when you're the only one not scumreading him over stupid shit and if you feel like helping someone get more comfortable speaking their mind or answering questions they have. Like I said, I'm really curious where this scumread is coming from because clearly I just don't get it. I need an outside perspective.
