A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Cerberus v666]

Because of experiential differences? Because it was a nonstandard line of thought? Something else?

Either this is rhetorical or I don't understand what you're saying.

Why not check me? I actually claimed to have such a mechanical connection with my flavor, such that I am quite certain another slot in this game, with related flavor to myself, is town.

Why wouldn't you check me, discover that flavor, and then start searching for the connection?

After thinking about it for a bit I wasn't interested in anyone who'd referred to their flavour - they obviously were going to have to out it consistently later. Whereas a Miller claim is a big ole "not worth investigating me guise, I'm just gonna return a guilty".

As far as you specifically, I knew

someone

had said that their flavour related to their role earlier, but I actually thought it was Mirhawk until just now. You hadn't made much of an impact, had just been stubborn about not voting on wagons and I had a slight townlean on you which I was happy to see evolve. (As in, I didn't think of you at all when I decided to submit my cop.)

I thiink if you're not seeing me as town by now, there's not much I'm going to be able to do to sway you.

Oh, I'm quite certain you're town. I'm just trying to understand your thought process. The part you thought was rhetorical...isn't. You said you couldn't explain things in a fashion that would end up in a nice neat little package for me. I was asking if the reason why you couldn't do that was because the root of the differences in your thought process had to do with experiences unique to yourself or playstyle choices and considerations which are uncommon, thus making it unlikely that whatever explanation you could offer would be one that would be easily accepted by myself.

3847: I don't quite understand what you mean. I'm quoting a post which references three slots, which was said by a fourth. The confidence in whose push is hard to ignore? TPP's push against Seniors, which is one that has convinced you to vote Seniors? Is that what you meant?

If so...the degree of confidence they have is meaningless, because the suggestion is that both slots are town. That means both slots are indeed confident in and legitimately believe the accuracy of their reads.

[davesaz]

Well guess they did

Were you expecting Ogre to have a result?

Repeat question, and what's your Ogre read?

[pistachi0n]

Someone told me earlier they saw why I thought tictac was scum but that he was town. I think that's why I unvoted him in the first place?

Wait, what? You unvoted him because someone else said he was town?

[True Ogre]

Oh, I'm quite certain you're town. I'm just trying to understand your thought process.

Not that it actually happens like this post-game, but isn't this something that's more suited to... postgame then?
It seems a bit indulgent to me to be asking random questions about my thought processes unless you're thinking I might be scum. Your approach was sceptical, so I responded in kind.

3847: I don't quite understand what you mean. I'm quoting a post which references three slots, which was said by a fourth. The confidence in whose push is hard to ignore? TPP's push against Seniors, which is one that has convinced you to vote Seniors? Is that what you meant?

Yep, I'm backing Piper as town and I don't think they'd push this hard unless they were confident in the read. Therefore when Cakez and you both decided to write it off as TvT, I gave my opinion.

If so...the degree of confidence they have is meaningless, because the suggestion is that both slots are town. That means both slots are indeed confident in and legitimately believe the accuracy of their reads.

Either could be right, both could be wrong, both could be scum. Those are the exact options.
If you think this is town tunnelling on each other then why are you worried about me taking a side?
Do you think you're going to talk me down from a Seniors vote if Seniors themselves can't?

And why exactly aren't you pushing your own scumreads

or even voting

?
Wanna chit-chat with me instead?

I mean I can do so but I'd rather be talking about potential scumteams with Skybird if you have any input on that. And the thing is that Piper's already done just that and I don't know why you're so eager to write it off as TvT.

[SirCakez]

Someone told me earlier they saw why I thought tictac was scum but that he was town. I think that's why I unvoted him in the first place?

Wait, what? You unvoted him because someone else said he was town?

No, because it felt like a cop clear crumb but now that Marquis and Ogre have both claimed Cop variations I doubt we have another (I believe both).

[Rob14]

Vote Count #3.3:

Friendless Seniors:

The Pied Piper, pistachi0n, Marquis, tictac, podoboq, True Ogre (6)

tictac:

Dwlee99, Friendless Seniors, Malakittens (3)

The Pied Piper:

dramonic (1)

Axelrod:

SirCakez (1)

Mirhawk:

itlepip (1)

Not Voting:

Axelrod, Mirhawk, Cerberus v666, davesaz

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-05-08 10:15:00)

[Rob14]

tictac has been prodded. As this is his third prod, I will begin seeking a replacement immediately, but he can remain in the game if he returns before I find one.

[itlepip]

Who did you think crumbed Cakez?

[Dwlee99]

Who did you think crumbed Cakez?

uhh this question may not be good to answer?

[itlepip]

Who did you think crumbed Cakez?

uhh this question may not be good to answer?

Okay, nice mafia basics here but you are wrong. First off the fact that we have 2 outed investigatives means that Scum for the rest of the game are going to be killing confirmed towns/PRs and with at least 1 confirmed protective (BTW if you didn't think Ogre was town before, yeah ogre is town). Also depending on who Cakez calls as softing we get a bunch of cool connections. Also scum can just go back and find the crumb if they really wanted to.

[Dwlee99]

Who did you think crumbed Cakez?

uhh this question may not be good to answer?

Okay, nice mafia basics here but you are wrong. First off the fact that we have 2 outed investigatives means that Scum for the rest of the game are going to be killing confirmed towns/PRs and with at least 1 confirmed protective (BTW if you didn't think Ogre was town before, yeah ogre is town). Also depending on who Cakez calls as softing we get a bunch of cool connections. Also scum can just go back and find the crumb if they really wanted to.

So you want to out all of our investigatives because some have already outed? mmm k

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, I'm quite certain you're town. I'm just trying to understand your thought process.

Not that it actually happens like this post-game, but isn't this something that's more suited to... postgame then?
It seems a bit indulgent to me to be asking random questions about my thought processes unless you're thinking I might be scum. Your approach was sceptical, so I responded in kind.

3847: I don't quite understand what you mean. I'm quoting a post which references three slots, which was said by a fourth. The confidence in whose push is hard to ignore? TPP's push against Seniors, which is one that has convinced you to vote Seniors? Is that what you meant?

Yep, I'm backing Piper as town and I don't think they'd push this hard unless they were confident in the read. Therefore when Cakez and you both decided to write it off as TvT, I gave my opinion.

If so...the degree of confidence they have is meaningless, because the suggestion is that both slots are town. That means both slots are indeed confident in and legitimately believe the accuracy of their reads.

Either could be right, both could be wrong, both could be scum. Those are the exact options.
If you think this is town tunnelling on each other then why are you worried about me taking a side?
Do you think you're going to talk me down from a Seniors vote if Seniors themselves can't?

And why exactly aren't you pushing your own scumreads

or even voting

?
Wanna chit-chat with me instead?

I mean I can do so but I'd rather be talking about potential scumteams with Skybird if you have any input on that. And the thing is that Piper's already done just that and I don't know why you're so eager to write it off as TvT.

I could be wrong. If any uncertainty develops in my position regarding you at a later date, I'd rather have a stronger, rather than a weaker, understanding of how you approach things. Plus I'll probably forget about this by then.

I find it doubtful that on this occasion I'll be more likely to talk you down than seniors,but normally I'd say yes to this question. If this is town tunneling one another, it means today, like every other day, is going to be all about the FS slot. We've generated a ridiculous amount of noise about them, which makes it especially difficult to figure out other slots (without seeing their flip), while simultaneously making it effortless for those who want to coast to simply do so.

And, I tried to get Mirhawk lynched. Nobody wants to do it, ar least not enough to not go back to these bad wagons on town and someone who isn't even playing. Also...I generally don't vote. I had my vote on Mirhawk when itlepip was there too, and had what I viewed as good arguments for considering Mirhawk scum, but there clearly isn't enough support, therefore there is no reason to actually bother voting.

Sircakez: Do you feel the person making this cop clear crumb is scum now? Are you just reading too much into the certainty of their position that tictac is town?

Pedit: what would have been optimal would have been NOT mentioning a cop crumb as part of the reason why he unvoted tictac, unless he was CERTAIN he was mistaken about it being a crumb (which is the point of my questions directed at sircakez ). However, since this crumb WAS mentioned, for the simple fact that it relates to a read on a specific slot, it should be relatively easy for scum to identify it themselves, meaning not doing so mostly just makes more work for the town.

[itlepip]

Stating what the crumb should confirm one person's alignment in my eye.

[Dwlee99]

Cakez, I have a pretty good idea where your tictac scumread is coming from, but they aren't scum. Axel would be a better vote.

How is tictac not scum?

Read what I said to you one more time, Cakez.

Found it

[Dwlee99]

so that crumb was super fucking awful
VOTE: TPP

[davesaz]

Cakez, I have a pretty good idea where your tictac scumread is coming from, but they aren't scum. Axel would be a better vote.

Hmm, where do you think it's coming from?

[SirCakez]

Yeah Dwlee found it, thought it was Cerb for some reason.
I think it was just me interpreting a townread from them wrong?

[Rob14]

Flubbernugget has replaced tictac.

[Cerberus v666]

/me waves

HI FLUBBERNUGGET!

[Flubbernugget]

Hi guys

I'm probably going to start reading from this point on. Maybe a few pages back. A fill in would be of great help

[Flubbernugget]

Someone told me earlier they saw why I thought tictac was scum but that he was town. I think that's why I unvoted him in the first place?

You unvoted because someone saw your point?

Uhhh

[SirCakez]

Keep reading

[Flubbernugget]

Well this was productive

Goodnight everyone

[Flubbernugget]

Actually Plot, do you have any posts on FS that don't involve meta?

Seems like sorting you two is a good place to start

[Flubbernugget]

No-one has died on Night 2

????