Newbie 1700 - GAME OVER

[Hoppic]

Yeah sorry. It's just the game kept stalling. I got frustrated, and I thought that maybe you seemed town because you were such an experienced player. I just really wanted to know. Also, people have been asking you to claim even at L1 and you didn't so I assumed you wouldn't.

Can I just say, though, that you would have been lynched anyway. That's how it seemed to me anyway. Unless you were claiming a power role. I hope you weren't.

[Hoppic]

You were engaging them, but they weren't answering. Nobody is answering questions and it's annoying.

[Ghostwheel]

Yo Hoppic of course I wanted this lynch but I don't want any lynch without a claim that's senselessly reckless.

Yeah Huntress I didn't move off because of the bad votes and that made me feel conflicted but none of those votes gave me a better direction than you.

RC, explain yiur BTD scumread

Hoppic, explain yiur tojam scumread. This one I was really curious about.

[Hoppic]

Tojam is just so careful to separate himself from his early votes. Like, way too anxious that nobody thinks he's actually voting, and then he suddenly votes for huntress with no good reason given, jumping on the wagon even though he said he can't see her as scum. Apart from that, there's no actual scum hunting, apart from maybe his vote on me which made no sense.

[Ghostwheel]

K I'm going on record saying I still townread Hoppic unless this flips PR because there's no way that scum jump the gun on a lynch that RC basically said he was following through with just so he could draw more attention to himself. Hoppic started off slow and looked better and better as the game went on and I'm not going to let this hiccup change that yet. Tojam and cy had similar behavior when the wagon was slowing down which is way worse to me, as were some of the aforementioned votes. Really just getting my pre flip/NK opinions out there before D2.

[Huntress]

You were engaging them, but they weren't answering. Nobody is answering questions and it's annoying.

Yeah, I agree with that. The game gets much harder when people don't respond to stuff, and they can't all be scum.

Can I just say, though, that you would have been lynched anyway. That's how it seemed to me anyway. Unless you were claiming a power role. I hope you weren't.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been lynched but I wanted to avoid claiming because I would probably have died night one if I did, so wouldn't have been around much longer anyway. I was intending to throw a bit of wifom into the mix by claiming Doc/BP rather than just Doc, but not having to claim at all would have been even better.

Why, when we started to discuss switching, didn't you wait to see if anyone else was willing? Wagons can dissolve just as quick as they build if a better one comes along.

Anyway, I think I'm back to a townread on you now.

[Hoppic]

I see why you didn't claim now. That's bad. Sorry. Obviously I should have waited.

[cytheflyguy]

Huh. I have a lot of things to say when I'm not rushing to get homework done right before class. xD

But ye, let's hope this is a good lynch!

[cytheflyguy]

Ohhhhhh wait lol. Nvm xD

[RadiantCowbells]

ugh.

I'm dying tonight.

give me a chance to reread and pull some reads together.

[RadiantCowbells]

lol bumped.
anyway I'm just going to assume Huntress is in fact town since her claim feels genuine and I wouldn't expect her to fish in this way post hammer. And Huntress seriously don't sit so long on L-1; ask people to unvote you to L-2.
Like just a general tip: make a habit of when at L-1 asking people to unvote you and put you to L-2 to ensure you don't get hammered pre-claim or unnecessarily. Especially when you're PR.

{Karnos}
{Ghostwheel, FlyGuy}
{ThatGuy}
{Hoppic, Tojam}}
{BTD6


I've already somewhat covered Karnos but his reasoning may be somewhat bonkers but he's super transparent, his read progression makes a ridiculous amount of sense, and there's so many posts you can point to and it's obvious that he's trying to scumhunt. I'll be pissed if he gets lynched ever this game.

Flyguy's newness feels genuine and his reactions to thing really don't feel like scum. Like #29 is super towny. And in case he gets called out for waffling later, he's been waffling on /strategy/, not reads. idk. I'm fairly sure he's town- especially with the ToS background. I can't say much about this but it's mostly gut.

I think I mostly covered Ghostwheel? Still pretty towny to me.

I love ThatGuy's attempts to bait a NK when he's obviously VT and they incline me to townread the slot. Unfortunately I can't get a read on him besides that so I'll just leave that as a null.

I really don't fucking like Hoppic's hammer and I feel like it may have been something coached before the day started. They make a lot of sense partnered with BTD6. Like, I don't get how Hoppic goes from 'I don't get why people are scumreading Huntress!' to hammering without claim.

This slot also makes a lot of sense with BTD6. Like, there's some shit he says that just doesn't make any sense coming from town and I don't recall any explanation for him being on the Huntress wagon besides 'I need your claim or I lynch!' And who the fuck says 'Oh Huntress/Tojam would make more sense.' Like, that feels like some sort of insane grab for towncred when Huntress flips town? like I really don't get that coming from town.

BTD6 is scum for pretty fucking sure. I feel like he was intentionally fishing thatguy (who was super obviously not actually a PR for the record) and the way he drew it out was awful. on top of that his read progression has been shit, he has scumlord posts like #0, #1, etc. where he's just blatantly kissing the IC's ass, he doesn't really try to scumhunt the pushers on him, especially ThatGuy's, really don't get a sense anywhere that he's trying to solve the game. And the way he tried to prevent Huntress from claiming when she is apparently doc is so fucking awful and I feel like he's way better than he's given credit for and has been PR hunting hard.

Like I wouldn't even bother with an investigate on him: he's just scum.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.10 (FINAL):

Huntress:

Ghostwheel, karnos, cytheflyguy, tojam2, Hoppic (5)

BTD6_maker:

thatguy, RadiantCowbells (2)

Ghostwheel:

Huntress (1)

RadiantCowbells:

BTD6_maker (1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-05-03 19:00:00)

[Rob14]

Huntress,

Town Doctor

, was lynched Day 1.

Night 1 has begun. Submit all night actions by PM (or relevant PT) within (expired on 2016-05-01 09:45:00).

[Rob14]

thatguy,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed Night 1.

Day 2 has begun. With 7 players remaining, it takes 4 to lynch.

Countdown: (expired on 2016-05-15 12:45:00).

[Ghostwheel]

Ok so I'm dumb.

I am now very suspicious of Hoppic since lynching a Doc on day 1 should never happen.

thatguy's kill is tough to swallow, I think his perspective would have been nice today. It's also a token low info kill. He was an experienced player who said little and may have been copread for it.

I mulled over BTD and maybe it makes sense that some of his responses to things seem fakey as shit, and like, that one of the only reasons I can think of for Huntress to reach that far for a case against him, bad logic completing good intuition.

Tojam also looks bad.

Or you can vote me, hey, I did start this. Ask me anything though, I have nothing to hide.

[cytheflyguy]

OK, we fucked up.

And Ghost, why only Hoppic for lynching the doc? 5 people lynched her in total.

[BTD6_maker]

Hoppic was too impatient to hammer, which is why Ghostwheel was suspicious of them. My last post was essentially advising Huntress that if she'd like to say anything before a lynch, it would be best to say it immediately. There was no way I would hammer that early but I knew that some people (in this case, it turned out to be Hoppic) would want to hammer quickly. Huntress didn't have to claim, just anything to try to dispel the wagon would do. Meanwhile, we now know she's Town. Previously I had scumread her because my gut got a suspicion that she was trying to mislead. However, now that she's flipped, we can analyse her posts knowing they are from a Town perspective.

Also, while I initially copread Thatguy, after the long discussion I think we all realised that the copread has no basis. I doubt any scum copread him when killing. More likely they killed him to stop him from giving his Town perspective as he was rather quiet and his posts didn't contain much information to help us.

Maybe you were simply referencing my earlier mistake rather than suggesting the real reason so let me know if you were being sincere about that. Also, if my posts seem artificial, I'm generally a rather unemotional person and I think that's what shows in my posts.

RC's case seems suspiciously weak. He is finding tells where there's nothing of note. How is a comment about the IC during the RVS suddenly a scumtell? At best it's confirmation bias and at worst it's scum pushing a mislynch wagon. Also, saying that I knew Huntress was a doctor and tried to stop her from claiming is quite an obvious case of post hoc ergo propter hoc. I suggested that claiming shouldn't have to be a requirement at L-1 (with more focus on defending). The fact that she flipped doctor afterwards has nothing to do with that, and is coincidental.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Ghostwheel]

OK, we fucked up.

And Ghost, why only Hoppic for lynching the doc? 5 people lynched her in total.

If Hoppic hadn't quickhammered (and mind you this was instantly as RC stated intent and was going through the proper motions) Huntress claims Doc, we take our votes off because if she's scum she's doomed to die.

So if Hoppic Docread her, the quickhammer was a way to get thatguy killed. Even so seems like weak reason to expose yourself, so we're entering territory where I seriously don't know how to analyse that kind of behavior because I wouldn't do it as either alignment.

BTD I wasn't referencing your earlier copread, nor am I saying any PR read could have been that strong, but if you want to take a bet for the info role at that specific point in the game, yeah thatguy laid a little low. Again there were a number of reasons for that kill imo, and my real point was that there isn't much to gain from analyzing it.

I'm really curious about what RC thinks of all this, and a further explanation on BTD would cool right about now.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: BTD6

this is scum.

[BTD6_maker]

Once again, just stating that I'm scum doesn't help. What we need are reasons. I gave plenty of rebuttal to your case in my previous post so it would be best to address it rather than just state what you think as if it were fact.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't need reasons to lynch you.

[BTD6_maker]

That post certainly seems anti-Town, if not downright scummy. You can't just lynch someone on your own. You need to persuade others and for that you must give reasons. Without responding to my points or giving your own points, your case is effectively worthless.

[Ghostwheel]

I don't need reasons to lynch you.

Yo I get not interacting with scum but what about me who's asking for the read in a bit more detail?

[RadiantCowbells]

That post certainly seems anti-Town, if not downright scummy. You can't just lynch someone on your own. You need to persuade others and for that you must give reasons. Without responding to my points or giving your own points, your case is effectively worthless.

I will get you lynched.

Your response basically confirms that you're scum.

I don't need to put oodles of work in to get it done.

[BTD6_maker]

Ghostwheel, why would someone not want to interact with a scumread? I thought that if someone is a scumread, you want to interact more in order to get explanations and give points.

RC, I don't get why you think my response confirms anything. In my opinion, it's probably confirmation bias if Town, and setting up a wagon while trying not to give yourself away if scum. Acknowledging that you want to lynch me and need to persuade others in order to do so does not imply in any way that I am scum.