A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah Pistach is IC as well. But that's it I think.

[davesaz]

@MOD: there should be a Flubbernugget in there somewhere

[davesaz]

That one's a hard claim, you were discussing softs.
It's gotten to the point I'm considering using a spreadsheet.

@Ogre, Nowhere near a solution yet but there is at least one inconsistency in the info I know about.
I had overlooked the possibility of a ninja and that could make both players town where I was thinking one had to be scum.
Though I wonder what made it enter your thoughts.

[True Ogre]

I had overlooked the possibility of a ninja and that could make both players town where I was thinking one had to be scum.
Though I wonder what made it enter your thoughts.

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8 tabs in Firefox is working fine for me.

[Flubbernugget]

what game did you play w/ me, flubber?

Borderlands

i was alive one day lol

what does this have to do with anything?

[Dwlee99]

what game did you play w/ me, flubber?

Borderlands

i was alive one day lol

what does this have to do with anything?

You compared day 1 play where I was tunelled by the entire game to.this one?

[SirCakez]

That one's a hard claim, you were discussing softs.
It's gotten to the point I'm considering using a spreadsheet.

@Ogre, Nowhere near a solution yet but there is at least one inconsistency in the info I know about.
I had overlooked the possibility of a ninja and that could make both players town where I was thinking one had to be scum.
Though I wonder what made it enter your thoughts.

I was talking about all PR claims, since Ogre said something about too many claims to be true.

[Malakittens]

=.+

[Marquis]

I would lynch FS or Axel right now I think.

[Marquis]

I still want to reread when exams aren't so painful.

[Malakittens]

I still want to reread when exams aren't so painful.

[dramonic]

Also Dram I'm pretty sure cerb is town. If Axel and Mir are both town I might go back but I super doubt it.

I am curious how you assumed I was referring to Cerb

Why have we not lynched FS yet?

Because lynching scum is more important than lynching town.

[pistachi0n]

Dwlee why are you fishing into this "crumb" so much?

I'm not fishing, they're completely full of shit.

nah I think you're fishing

do you really think scum would go to such great lengths to discredit a scumread on their scumbuddy who doesn't currently have a huge wagon on them?

[Friendless Seniors]

hi, ep here.
applying to like 3 scholarships in one day is difficult, so expect me to come back tomorrow, thanks for your patience

[pistachi0n]

i can't believe that you guys seriously think that those crumbs and softs are coming from town. WHAT ROLE FITS THEIR SOFTS AND MAKES PLAUSIBLE SENSE? NONE

Having an Innocent Child Miller makes no sense, and yet

[Marquis]

Favorite post right there.

Dwlee this might be a bit hypocritical but I think you're taking everything abnormal as being scummy? Or rather I don't see a worthwhile scum motive in building softclaims the way they did (since they're not Titus, anyway).

I think Dwlee is townish and TPP is null-but-not-worth-lynching-right-now. Let Plot make a few more ISO maps first.

[Marquis]

That's a half-joke and not the main reason I'm holding off on TPP, btw. I think they'd be more useful postgame; give it one more Day or something before I look into that again.

[Friendless Seniors]

Sorry, Prod received. busy few days and also game apathy.

Things like Podo coming in and asking for our death while obviously not reading is just frustrating

[Friendless Seniors]

That's a half-joke and not the main reason I'm holding off on TPP, btw. I think they'd be more useful postgame; give it one more Day or something before I look into that again.

ugh this is how people like plot/nacho win games

[Friendless Seniors]

Dwlee looking worse lately, actually.

[Friendless Seniors]

Pip too

[Marquis]

Things like Podo coming in and asking for our death while obviously not reading is just frustrating

feel free to jump down my throat again but this is still a vry commonly scum reaction to this kind of suspicion, good night

[Friendless Seniors]

u r so right omg

[Marquis]

This is a phone post from EP and my hands are freezing so bear with me

at first glance, i didn't like your first thing about how you wished we were town together. But i guess it doesnt mean much.

"Sometimes a scum player busses and sometimes they dont" is not even close to a response to me. Im asking yoy to tell me whether you think that i would pull off a half-assed bus at a weak attempt of distancing, which is pretty clearly what your slot is accusing me of, and you're dancing around that response with words that mean nothing in context. Id be totally fine with you saying "no errant, i think you are perfectly capable of leaving associative tells behind for town to pick up if you were scum," but you seem unwilling to actually engage me on this point. I feel like we're looking at this event from different lenses.

Ill let hiplop respond to the stuff on him, but i will say that because of my lack of engagement in this game, i havent been using associatives and as a result dont see a need to reevaluate my reads based on flips. The reads i have stay standing in a vacuum.

I will take the time to go back and explain my reads (i barely know them myself) because it seems like a majority of your case, at least the errant part of it, is progression based. It would probably help me get my foot in the door for this game anyway.
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Marquis, i have an iissue with your recent post. Im picking up almost no similarity between PP's and your points about us. There's nothing that indicates that you're on the same page with piper here but your post is worded in a way that makes it look like 1) you're not just jumping on piper's reasoning, you're had those thoughts too and 2) you're on the same page as them. And it seems to me that neither of those things are true.

I hate myself a bit for being paranoid because I know that Cheetory is a large factor. I dont want to be the kind of person that makes past incidents reduce conviction in reads. So i guess you're still town.

actually before I forget, I want to go back to this - I don't put effort-under-huge-stress posts from EP past him as scum, as he did that very effectively to almost win Space Invaders a month or so ago.

but more than that, I understand where you're coming from with Cheetory Mafia if you're town, but there are so many minor things about you and hiplop together that just coalesce into a big pile of scum. the problem is I keep looking for some sort of ace in the hole that could tell me I'm wrong here and yet when you guys come back in it's with tactics that I've seen each of you use before as scum. if you were an individual player it wouldn't be as bad but when I recognize scum patterns from both heads it's extremely difficult to read you guys otherwise. like I want to because maybe it's a personal thing and I want to be able to show sympathy on a personal level, but realistically I'm playing this game to help town win and nothing so far including personal matters (plus how you've both addressed them, particularly hiplop's responses) is mutually exclusive from being scum

I was on the same page as TPP in that they've picked up on a lot of the minor tics I've had issues with. I'm aware it might be unfair to not present the whole mass of them succinctly to you so you can counter but 1) I don't think any of us are committed enough to type that all up or read it all or analyze it in depth 2) it's finals and Relay for Life time and I really should be sleeping and 3) gamewise I'm not convinced that giving you another chance will get me anything besides another one of the the multiple scum-esque responses I've already seen

basically you guys are in a ditch right now. I'm not saying I don't think you're scum, I'm saying that even as scum this is kind of one of those universal reads it's going to be hard for you to rid everyone's views of with the way you and we have been limited with posting lately.

that was poorly worded but again, an attempt at brevity: both of your reads have made strings of responses I've seen you use as scum to fairly good effect recently, and strings of responses that semantically look like town statements but realistically are feelings that scum feel too. it's like you're playing the game of "being honest, but only in the ways that both sides can be honest in the same way" or whatever. ya feel? someone feel.

it's also a pattern of being so wrong or opposite on reads from both heads that i'm confused, because it doesn't even feel like you're trying to adapt your reads to view the game more accurately, since your slot was one of the most vocally wrong ones and i'd expect the skybird scumflip and who pushed it and my innos and my claim to jar you both more than it has too.

static incorrect reads that PLOP just sit there.

i have a lot of different issues with your slot and instead of rambling on i'm going to go to sleep like i was supposed to a long time ago.

[Marquis]

That's a half-joke and not the main reason I'm holding off on TPP, btw. I think they'd be more useful postgame; give it one more Day or something before I look into that again.

ugh this is how people like plot/nacho win games

please make a post that i KNOW comes from town
you both have it in you and have done it reliably enough for me before
but not once this game have i seen something emotionalish that can't just be covered under "scum get annoyed by 'bad' towns too", or in the more conventional sense, "scum upset by getting caught for 'dumb' reasons"