A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Mirhawk]

Piper, saying you don't want to reveal your role to protect the vig isn't necessary if you picked up on the Vig's role via breadcrumbs.

The only way you would be forced into talking about it is if it's Flubber, and if that's the case then you've kind of already given it away anyways.

You're obviously an investigative of some sort, why won't you even tell us who you targeted? What possible benefit could there be for town in withholding that?

I feel like scum must have so much better information than town at this point. I literally have no idea what the deal is with most of the claimed PR's. Scum likely know exactly which ones are real and which ones aren't, yet here we are with our thumbs up our butts arguing with someone who apparently knows exactly what's going on but doesn't want to tell anybody.

You're acting so ludicrously antitown it's driving me nuts. Podo is mostly right, while we probably can't break the game open outright with what we've got right now, we do have enough information to basically put scum on the defense for the entire rest of the game. They're going to be spending every night trying to catch up on the confirmed town and PR's that have been revealed. By the time they catch up the game will be over.

If you didn't want to disclose any of your information you shouldn't have said anything in the first place. Don't act like its unreasonable for people to be upset that you dangled what is probably useful information to them in front of them then refused to tell them the details.

I refuse to move anywhere else until this is resolved.

[Dwlee99]

Piper, saying you don't want to reveal your role to protect the vig isn't necessary if you picked up on the Vig's role via breadcrumbs.

The only way you would be forced into talking about it is if it's Flubber, and if that's the case then you've kind of already given it away anyways.

You're obviously an investigative of some sort, why won't you even tell us who you targeted? What possible benefit could there be for town in withholding that?

I feel like scum must have so much better information than town at this point. I literally have no idea what the deal is with most of the claimed PR's. Scum likely know exactly which ones are real and which ones aren't, yet here we are with our thumbs up our butts arguing with someone who apparently knows exactly what's going on but doesn't want to tell anybody.

You're acting so ludicrously antitown it's driving me nuts. Podo is mostly right, while we probably can't break the game open outright with what we've got right now, we do have enough information to basically put scum on the defense for the entire rest of the game. They're going to be spending every night trying to catch up on the confirmed town and PR's that have been revealed. By the time they catch up the game will be over.

If you didn't want to disclose any of your information you shouldn't have said anything in the first place. Don't act like its unreasonable for people to be upset that you dangled what is probably useful information to them in front of them then refused to tell them the details.

I refuse to move anywhere else until this is resolved.

^ this + tpp needs rope

[The Pied Piper]

I'm tired and this possibly isn't the greatest idea, but I'm done with this dumbshit distraction.

Cakez is the vig; he crumbed shooting Snarky and then Snarky died. We thought he might be SK based on how blatant it was, pushed him, decided it wasn't the case.
Flubber is a JOAT with a Neighborize + Bulletproof + Investigative; Tictac used the neighborize on Plot N1, which Plot liked because Plot was his IC and they didn't think that a newbie scum would be willing to get a neighborhood with their IC. I thought that Tictac's reaction to Plot's more incoherent posting seemed ridiculously town; they mentioned that they were pretty paranoid of us before but thought that Plot seemed really vulnerable and that seemed really town to them + there was just a bunch of shit in that neighborhood I don't feel like elaborating on now.
When we crumbed the inno on Tictac, it was in response to Cakez probably shooting Tictac; we felt that he was very likely town based on neighborhood posting and knew that his kill failing was probably going to make him think that Tictac was 100% scum and we wanted to warn him off that before it happened.

The reason I said that this had nothing to do with our claim is because look, we still haven't claimed, and we've explained the PR thing! Plot overplayed it a bit because they were trying to emulate the Jingle wizard stuff from Original Mafia; Plot has other roles figured out (they knew Ogre was a not-significant investigative role earlier), but I really don't think outing any of that crap is relevant unless you believe we just haven't given enough or something stupid like that.

[Dwlee99]

fr?

[The Pied Piper]

I know Dwlee is 13, but the way that he's approached us is not how human beings think. I was young when I started playing this game, but I had real thought processes and not fitting every single piece of information to fit one conclusion. I am personally approaching the level where I don't care about what alignment hiplop is; I'd love to say that he wouldn't do this as town because I fucking love the guy as a person, but maybe he would, I don't know. I know that "he wouldn't read me this way" isn't a particularly compelling argument for most people (and it shouldn't be), but that's the anti-climactic perspective that this head has on his posting.

[Dwlee99]

14

[itlepip]

Wow that fucking sucks. Seriously wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff


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Like seriously, just say that Flubber is a 1 shot neighborizer, and bullshit like that and don't reveal the fucking rest. UGH. And now we need to save cakez b/c he was already in the auto circle adsf;akldfj;ah;aihs;fajs;fkwiofhas;dfjakdsfasdfalsjdhfa;sgashf;kfhjas;ifuhase;fhjsd;fk

[Dwlee99]

but wtf? Dont fake an inno and not expect to get pushed. your claim was 100% bs and I knew it =_=
UNVOTE:

[Cerberus v666]

Crumbed shooting snarky is a really bad reason to think cakez is the vig, since several people kept saying he should be vigged........unless there was something he said that was a more obvious crumb, I guess. Feels like a weird conclusion to arrive at with that evidence.

Also kinda ridiculous to expose your hood. For...no benefit? Oh, and another slots BP, also exposed.

...

I don't understand the info dump.

[Friendless Seniors]

; I'd love to say that he wouldn't do this as town because I fucking love the guy as a person

<3 *heart flutters*

[Malakittens]

Oh yes let's push TPP for pages and now and rage at the fact they info dumped which is what people were asking them to do anyways.


=.=

[Cerberus v666]

Huh. So I just got done reading the last 10 pages (I've been like, randomly reading shit from this game since that point, but never went back to the start), and I dislike Dwlee's slot now. That is, I think it's scum. So that's something.

I'd also like to remind you all that this is now the

third

day we've spent discussing FS and TPP to the exclusion of all other slots.

So, eh, FS and TPP are pushing one another. Who are the other driving forces behind this discussion, as far as those who have a better feel for the games pulse can tell?

Mala: I never pushed TPP to claim stuff. I didn't want them to.

[podoboq]

Thanks for revealing information, TPP. I, for one, think that benefits town more than scum.

I think you're wrong about Cakez, though. His posting on Snarky wasn't any more crumbing than mine was. I think he's obv town, but I think I'm pretty sure who the vig is, and it's not him. That said, we should obviously drop that part of the conversation for now.

[itlepip]

I thought they were competent enough players to not blindly dumb information because Dwlee of all people was calling them scum. This makes my life so much more difficult than it has to be. 1 + though, Flubber should probably out his invest result.

Podo you are 100% alone in that. Please never out who the vig is thankyouverymuchthen.

[Friendless Seniors]

Okay, I knew there was a connection between flubber/tpp. I got that right

if that's not proof I'm not scum idk what is.

Now, podo you're very wrong. Please show me that's town wrong not scum wrong'

I think nacho said too much but not that much

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, yeah, clubbers does need to out his result now that he's been revealed. Mmm. Maybe? Doubtful he has actual useful information at this point, and outing his result simply clarifies what sort of investigative he is.

Also, I really should have been paying attention, you've all been going in these insane circles for days.

[Dwlee99]

I thought they were competent enough players to not blindly dumb information because

Dwlee of all people was calling them scum

=_=
Is this even mafia or is it "let's discredit the 14 year old"?

[Cerberus v666]

I thought they were competent enough players to not blindly dumb information because

Dwlee of all people was calling them scum

=_=
Is this even mafia or is it "let's discredit the 14 year old"?

I don't think it has anything to do with age(or rather, it shouldn't...I didn't know your age until the last few pages), but more to do with the fact that your style is one that does little to persuade people to follow you, and you lack the history on site for people to sheep you simply because they have faith in you.

*shrug*

That's just how I see it at least. I didn't see any reason why your posts should be considered much in the way of pressure on TPP...part of why I don't understand the decision to claim.

[podoboq]

I thought they were competent enough players to not blindly dumb information because Dwlee of all people was calling them scum. This makes my life so much more difficult than it has to be. 1 + though, Flubber should probably out his invest result.

Podo you are 100% alone in that. Please never out who the vig is thankyouverymuchthen.

I think they know what they were doing with that dump. My opinion is that they're smart enough to not reveal information that would make the game worse for town, as town. Vig is obviously a powerful role, and I have no intention of revealing who it is. Good luck to scum on making more use of that information dump than town can.

[Dwlee99]

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

[podoboq]

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.

[podoboq]

Also, yeah, if anybody is discrediting dwlee because he's young, fuck you, because that's bullshit. Dramonic's posts are far less coherent and mature than dwlee's.

[itlepip]

Your play this game regardless of your age has been fairly useless. I'm not too much older than you but seriously you've managed to out town PRs and waste 3-4 days. If you are town you were really close to getting in the towncircle and if you were scum you might have had a chance of winning the game for your team but yeah that's not going to happen.

Quick stuff cause my life gets super hectic soon. May have to go VLA.

Never should be lynched:
Cake
90% Cerb
Ogre
Marquis
dave
TWL
Pistach
(me)

Should never endgame
Axel
FS
Mirhawk
Podo imo. Like he has his town moments and then he has his moments, like his post before he agreed with me, that feel like scum just trying to fit in.
Probably Dwlee.

Also I think Dram has had decent moments when he showed up, it just isn't enough for me to really call him conftown like I want to. He has, in my opinion, a much more solid opinion of the gamestate that Dwlee.

[Dwlee99]

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.

time to get the iso!!

[Cerberus v666]

Yeah. The only things you said were that they claimed knowledge of PR's(which they did do), implied they were an investigative(which they didn't, as podo said), and they softed an innocent on someone(which they sorta did, but this lose a lot of meaning if you aren't assuming they claimed an investigative). You then put all that together in a blender, and realized none of it added up to a single role you could call them, and decided that meant part of what they were saying had to be untrue, therefore they are scum, without EVER considering that they could actually have just arrived at a number of conclusions through their analysis.

Don't think it really matters though, except I kinda do want to lynch you, but I don't think anybody else does. Like, does anybody else see dwlee as potentially scum here? I really feel like we need to look outside the established "probtown" group and the people that have been getting consistently pushed to the edge of being lynched.

pedit: pip, you really need to explain that read on me. I fucking suck man. And the only game you have with me was SF and UNIMUM(right? you were in unimum right?), where I was, well, a fucking marvel of posting. I was always there, I was on top of the entire game, and I had something to say about EVERYTHING.