A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Mirhawk]

I want everyone to read 465 and 697 and tell me why Axel is conveniently not in the readlist after Sky defended him.

Also Dwlee stop being just wrong.

Pretty sure Skybird was trying to engage Dramonic, not defend Axel.

[Mirhawk]

I don't know why you want me to expand on these things or how you expect me to at this point.
I also don't know why you want me to expand on the exaggeration point - the motivation you had for us lying as scum about that was to avoid outing that info, and look! Info outed.

You (one of you)admitted to exaggerating about what would be revealed if you told everyone how you were clearing Tictac.

Exaggerating is a pretty mild way of putting too as basically what you did was lie to everyone in town.

Town you would not have done this without a reason, and before you claim you don't remember again I should point out that I don't believe that for a second. There's no way a player as methodical as you would lie to everyone, then forget why you did it.

Because unlike all that other stupid garbage people have been accusing you of this is an actual legitimately scummy thing and I refuse to let you slide away without justifying it.

[Mirhawk]

Yes, I totally do.

Look at this from scum FS's perspective. A wagon is building on some random guy that isn't them but that they have been pretty staunch in defending the whole game. Their reaction is to vote them, claim no hard reason for voting them, and then in the next vote call the whole thing likely that Mirhawk is town but w/e. If we actually lynch mir and the mod decides that this game is bastard and he flips town, then we would auto-lynch FS for being this shittiest scum ever for voting and white knighting at the exact same time. The reason that FS isn't worried about their reason for voting Mir is b/c mir is scum.

[pistachi0n]

@dram: you realize I've wanted Mirhawk lynched since my first post upon replacing into this game right? :p

VOTE: Mirhawk

Itlepips case against mirhawk was basically the same thing with the inconsistency, except he just doesn't ever go back, rather than going back and having an inconsistent read.

Why didn't you vote Mirhawk earlier?

I didn't like the votes from either you or Friendless Seniors, the rest of the wagon is fine.

[Friendless Seniors]

I had AP test today. and I have one tomorrow (and the day after)
But I did the thing where I read the last 3-4 pages and here are my thoughts.

marquis, I think the majority of your case is bullshit but it's just my personal views on mafia. I think people can be inconsistent and town. It happens all the time if you're not intensely into the game. people change thoughts from day to day. inconsistencies really come into play for me when they're mindset or attitude related, if that makes any sense. I think that the if qualification is playstyle but you seem to be using a probability thing. obviously you've had more games than me, but that doesn't really stop me from disagreeing with you. The one thing I do agree with is skybird associatives which i do think... merits a vote i guess?

marquis have you responded to me from my last thing I said about you (whatever it was) and could you link it pretty please

i still think that there are better targets

this is EP at the time of finishing this post. I think that mirhawk's response to marquis' attack, even though the attack wasn't really that good, was also not that good so i am a bit more okay with the mirhawk vote

i remember flubbernugget saying that "this isn't a court of law" or some bullshit like that. Flubbernugget, your argument is trash
my point about marquis? "Hey, if you think that we do this as scum then why don't you go find out whether or not we do this as town as well because if you don't then it's lazy mislynch logic" which makes sense from a logic perspective it isn't some supreme court bullshit
and you just twist that into something dumb which is frustrating

i think flubbernugget / maybe TPP / and cerb are better votes

here's something i don't like from cerb, i think his attitude towards us is reminiscent of a WK and it makes me uncomfy.

Agreed. Man. I will give you a virtual high-five if you turn out to be scum. I can feel the irritation bordering on rage in that post.

this

is coming from the same person as

Survivalist still isn't AI. :/

this.

i would expect cerb to be skeptical of townreading us based on something as unreliable as rage. but he seems to bias things that paint us as town in favor of things that paint us as scum, which is an attitude that i feel doesn't really parse with what someone who was critically evaluating their reads would do

what are everyone's thoughts on flubber?

[Cerberus v666]

@dram: you realize I've wanted Mirhawk lynched since my first post upon replacing into this game right? :p

VOTE: Mirhawk

Itlepips case against mirhawk was basically the same thing with the inconsistency, except he just doesn't ever go back, rather than going back and having an inconsistent read.

Why didn't you vote Mirhawk earlier?

I didn't like the votes from either you or Friendless Seniors, the rest of the wagon is fine.

Because there was no support? And because I haven't been keeping up enough to know if my reasons for scumreading mirhawk earlier had been overwhelmed by obvtown play on their part.

FS: Not finding something to be AI (and note, I NEVER said I was attaching any alignment indicative weight to the "rage" posts) doesn't mean I can't appreciate how well done something was if it's scum. I know a lot of people read emotion and think it matters, so if I see a post that feels real and emotional, and it turns out to be from scum....well fucking done scum.

You're right, I'm not critically evaluating and reevaluating my reads. I'm reaching a tipping point, and sticking to it, because it simply takes less work.

[True Ogre]

Interesting pivot there. And no, there's just an interaction between my slot and a specific slots flavor.

And I'm not making it seem like I'm doing something? I'm in complete agreement that I'm not?

...

And yet you don't seem to have difficulty miraculously and unequivocally townreading some slots when they're popular for lynch.

Thought experiment: Everyone else in the game is at L-0, all 15 of us. We're all about to be lynched and your wincon is that there must be at least one other townie alive for you to win.
But we're not quite dead. It's twilight and you have reverse-votes which can save 11 of us, hopefully leaving the remaining scum to perish if you choose correctly.

"Oh Noes," you cry, "I need to save my town."

You don't have to use all of your votes.
Who else is 100% town?

Hint: you have to

imagine

the pressure is

real

, just like when you managed to get super-solid townreads on Ranger and Seniors when they were about to be lynched. We can work your magic again Cerb; I'm committed to helping you get through these rough times of stubborn uncertainty with everyone except those who are wagonned.

I mean, simply put, the majority of what's been used as reasons to believe FS is scum, is crap. None of the cases presented have resonated with me at all. They havent been terrible crap, so bad that I still remember what I hated about them or felt the need to point out flaws, but they all seemed to lack solid foundation of actual scummy behavior.

Also - How can you know this and be claim you're not up to date with what's been going on?

Have you been reading along secretly? C'mon, you can tell me. We're friends now dammit!

Spoiler:

Here, psssst. Whisper it in my ear.
I won't tell anyone you're scum.

[True Ogre]

Here's who I'll lynch today:

Cerb
Seniors
Axel

Here's who I'll compromise on:

dramonic
Dwlee

[Cerberus v666]

I read everything TO. I have very high standards for the analysis and thought I put into my reading though, and I'm simply not up to standard. I know what's been going on, but I haven't double checked anything or tried to go deeper, as it were, to see if I can spot any subtle, rather than overt, scumminess. I've put NO effort or thought into anything, except where directly confronted, so all my stances are based off first impressions and superficial reads.

The *only* time I ever claimed to not actually be up to date was this weekend.

The only 100% town slot in this game is pistachion. Others are varying degrees "least likely to be scum", but ya know she's the only one I'd save in your scenario..;p ofc, she's IC, so that's a cop out. If I had to save 2, it would be her and dave/mala/marquis. Some combination. Not impossible lbut highly improbable for marquis to be scum, which leaves the others as scum only if there is redirection or godfathers. Next you have yourself, and TPP. If I have to save more and more, that is. Fs is probably next, in their own little unique tier. Everybody else who isn't Axel, Mirhawk, or Dwlee, I have varying degrees of town-null reads on.

None of that changes the fact that I won't be voting for FS. I mean, I get that your point isn't to convince me to vote for FS, it is now that I'm scum (though I don't actually see how the post which prompted you to make that decision could have actually done so), but, just noting the fact.

[Dwlee99]

hi ok so mirhawk makes good points when he says exaggerating the tictac town read to being an innocent doesn't come from town, i think. Like if you do that when someone calls you out you dont say "oh yea this was a soft"

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: Dwlee

Tbh illvote FSjust to make them shut up

Bad

[Flubbernugget]

Yeah Flub wtf is my agenda

Mislynches duh

[Flubbernugget]

We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.

^
There's my case for not making a case.

@Flubber

: Confirm/Deny that you are neighbor with TPP?

This is a stupid question

Don't you think I would be cc'ing the shit out of TPP if they were lying?

[Flubbernugget]

Oh yes let's push TPP for pages and now and rage at the fact they info dumped which is what people were asking them to do anyways.


=.=

I thought I was the only one that saw this

Itlepip and cerb just got a lot scummier

For the record, Flubbernugget...I was yelling at him to not dump the info. Well, not yelling, but i made a simple, cogent case why it wouldn't be beneficial for them to share their information.

Also, you don't have to just do what people ask you to do. Just because everyone is telling you to do something which you know is the wrong thing to do, doesn't mean you have to do it. They have agency, and I'm judging them for making a bad decision using that agency.

So you're saying you should have no responsibility in influencing a bad decision

Okay buddy

[Flubbernugget]

Wait I misread that hold on

[Cerberus v666]

Oh yes let's push TPP for pages and now and rage at the fact they info dumped which is what people were asking them to do anyways.


=.=

I thought I was the only one that saw this

Itlepip and cerb just got a lot scummier

For the record, Flubbernugget...I was yelling at him to not dump the info. Well, not yelling, but i made a simple, cogent case why it wouldn't be beneficial for them to share their information.

Also, you don't have to just do what people ask you to do. Just because everyone is telling you to do something which you know is the wrong thing to do, doesn't mean you have to do it. They have agency, and I'm judging them for making a bad decision using that agency.

So you're saying you should have no responsibility in influencing a bad decision

Okay buddy

Had I been supporting that decision,i would indeed have some responsibility for it.

Wait I misread that hold on

Yes you did.

[Flubbernugget]

Well 8 have no clue why I thought you were pushing TPP to claim

My bad

[Flubbernugget]

I also think it's weird that Flubbernugget came by and posted and had nothing at all to say about his role or PP outing him.

On this episode of "stupid things I thought only dramonic was doing"

[itlepip]

You know what, I honestly believe that there is a reasonable chance that maybe flubber isn't a neighborizer but is playing along just to fuck with us...

[Dwlee99]

You know what, I honestly believe that there is a reasonable chance that maybe flubber isn't a neighborizer but is playing along just to fuck with us...

what lol

[itlepip]

/s

[Dwlee99]

oh

[dramonic]

nah, he's just an idiot.
Moving along, that's a pretty bad lynch list you've got TO. 4 town 1 scum?

[itlepip]

nah, he's just an idiot.
Moving along, that's a pretty bad lynch list you've got TO. 4 town 1 scum?

He only has 3 people in hs lynch list...

[itlepip]

nah, he's just an idiot.
Moving along, that's a pretty bad lynch list you've got TO. 4 town 1 scum?

He only has 3 people in hs lynch list....