A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[dramonic]

If you include the compromise list he has 5. Please learn to read kthx.

[Flubbernugget]

like i start pushing you and pulling up reasons why you'd be a reasonable scumlynch
you push to the forefront "hmmm that cerb guy he isn't doing anything"
i start making a push on mirhawk that's also now getting wagon support
your first response is "well what about itlepip then he hasn't been town again in the last few pages"

i'll give more on mirhawk and condense it when i'm not on the go but like. man. pull a plotinus, look at how he's jumped around post to post on his skybird/cakez kinda-dichotomy, and maybe others too

I know pre flip associatives are bad but they could both be scum here

[Flubbernugget]

Why is it so hard to form a Mirhawk wagon all of a sudden? Marquis has a pretty solid case.

Wagons on scum don't race up

[SirCakez]

Dwlee I thought you were town but all of your pushes and defenses are the exact opposite of where my reads are and it makes me wary

[Flubbernugget]

i remember flubbernugget saying that "this isn't a court of law" or some bullshit like that. Flubbernugget, your argument is trash

How is this related to anything in any way?

[Flubbernugget]

I have to filter through a Mirhawk and possibly a marquis iso. This may turn into a he said she said kinda thing

Actually I might just wait for the quote walls to pop up and actually read them for once

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee I thought you were town but all of your pushes and defenses are the exact opposite of where my reads are and it makes me wary

stop being wrong? ????

[SirCakez]

I would have more faith in you but you spent most of yesterday driving attention away from Skybird.

[Dwlee99]

I would have more faith in you but you spent most of yesterday driving attention away from Skybird.

why is tpp town. please inform me.

[Dwlee99]

hi ok so mirhawk makes good points when he says exaggerating the tictac town read to being an innocent doesn't come from town, i think. Like if you do that when someone calls you out you dont say "oh yea this was a soft"

^ this is why he's scum

[True Ogre]

nah, he's just an idiot.
Moving along, that's a pretty bad lynch list you've got TO. 4 town 1 scum?

Yeah thanks, I know how AND gates work.

I think Seniors is more likely to be town than Cerberus if only one is scum, but I think there's a decent chance they're both scum.
I think the only way they're both town is if Piper is scum, and that's not the jumpoff I want to make today.
Axel I haven't liked much of any of the pushes he's made, and am waiting for him to shit townbricks if he's town. Failing that, he's probably scum.

You're on a timer for me. So few posts and so rarely connecting the dots with reason. And below*
Dwlee I think might have a chance to settle down but I need him to branch out onto other reads, because for the time being, he has 190871987 posts where he states his opinion and they all happen to be the same. So that's pure compromise.

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*But I think I'm a bit behind on your scumreads at this point in time.
You had Axel Podo dave
Then at some point you added Piper
And I guess at some point you removed dave, otherwise you'd be worried about Marquis
So now it's Axel podo Piper?
Were you surprised at Skybird's scumflip?
And Piper bussed Skybird?
That last question is really the crux.
Note: I'll also accept "Piper's the SK" because that's crossed my mind.

[True Ogre]

Dwlee I think might have a chance to settle down but I need him to branch out onto other reads, because for the time being, he has 190871987 posts where he states his opinion and they all happen to be the same. So that's pure compromise.

[dramonic]

*But I think I'm a bit behind on your scumreads at this point in time.
You had Axel Podo dave
Then at some point you added Piper
And I guess at some point you removed dave, otherwise you'd be worried about Marquis
So now it's Axel podo Piper?
Were you surprised at Skybird's scumflip?
And Piper bussed Skybird?
That last question is really the crux.
Note: I'll also accept "Piper's the SK" because that's crossed my mind.

I have Axel, Podo, Piper as priorities right now.
I still think Dav is sketchy, but with the inno on him the only possibility is investigation immunity and my read on him is hardly strong enough to scream godfather at this point in time. Regardless one of him or Marquis is bound to get shot in a timely fashion so itll possibly resolve iteself.
Was I surprised at Skybird's scumflip, meh? I mean, it's a 20(?)p game, there has to be more than my scumreads that flip mafia and Sky was far from my concern. She wasn't screaming town for sure, but she didn't grab my attention with her scumplay like the others.
Piper did bus Sky, clearly. Why I can't say, cuz I don't think that lynch was irrevocable and their voice does sway a lot of players around here so they could probably have swung the worshippers elsewhere. Mystery for the ages~
Is Piper SK, I very very VERY much doubt that. Unless you think they latched onto a perceived crumb knowing it was obviously wrong just to troll around. It seems like a really poor stall if so.

And I think that covers that? Did I miss something?

[True Ogre]

I read everything TO. I have very high standards for the analysis and thought I put into my reading though, and I'm simply not up to standard. I know what's been going on, but I haven't double checked anything or tried to go deeper, as it were, to see if I can spot any subtle, rather than overt, scumminess. I've put NO effort or thought into anything, except where directly confronted, so all my stances are based off first impressions and superficial reads.

The *only* time I ever claimed to not actually be up to date was this weekend.

The only 100% town slot in this game is pistachion. Others are varying degrees "least likely to be scum", but ya know she's the only one I'd save in your scenario..;p ofc, she's IC, so that's a cop out. If I had to save 2, it would be her and dave/mala/marquis. Some combination. Not impossible lbut highly improbable for marquis to be scum, which leaves the others as scum only if there is redirection or godfathers. Next you have yourself, and TPP. If I have to save more and more, that is. Fs is probably next, in their own little unique tier. Everybody else who isn't Axel, Mirhawk, or Dwlee, I have varying degrees of town-null reads on.

None of that changes the fact that I won't be voting for FS. I mean, I get that your point isn't to convince me to vote for FS, it is now that I'm scum (though I don't actually see how the post which prompted you to make that decision could have actually done so), but, just noting the fact.

Your play reminds me a lot of scum-Maestro's in Fire Emblem. He came into the game and was really really angry that everyone was shitposting and advised in CAPS that people had to simmer down and -goodpost- because it was hard for him to catch up and town were stupid for not having a nice orderly thread. And this kind of passive-agressive argument from you to town is really pinging me.

You're not Maestro (hopefully) and the content of your pushes here is slightly different, but I don't get the town motivation for taking people to tasks on things that you're never going to have control over -- like whether Piper outs, like who uses their PRs for what, like whether there's too much noise on FS vs TPP -- if you're not using these arguments to single anyone's behaviour out as particularly scummy for it, nor use those arguments for anything that helps you determine alignment.

And that's the problem here and what makes you probably scum.

[dramonic]

I am NOT seeing the analogy 0_o

[Cerberus v666]

I read everything TO. I have very high standards for the analysis and thought I put into my reading though, and I'm simply not up to standard. I know what's been going on, but I haven't double checked anything or tried to go deeper, as it were, to see if I can spot any subtle, rather than overt, scumminess. I've put NO effort or thought into anything, except where directly confronted, so all my stances are based off first impressions and superficial reads.

The *only* time I ever claimed to not actually be up to date was this weekend.

The only 100% town slot in this game is pistachion. Others are varying degrees "least likely to be scum", but ya know she's the only one I'd save in your scenario..;p ofc, she's IC, so that's a cop out. If I had to save 2, it would be her and dave/mala/marquis. Some combination. Not impossible lbut highly improbable for marquis to be scum, which leaves the others as scum only if there is redirection or godfathers. Next you have yourself, and TPP. If I have to save more and more, that is. Fs is probably next, in their own little unique tier. Everybody else who isn't Axel, Mirhawk, or Dwlee, I have varying degrees of town-null reads on.

None of that changes the fact that I won't be voting for FS. I mean, I get that your point isn't to convince me to vote for FS, it is now that I'm scum (though I don't actually see how the post which prompted you to make that decision could have actually done so), but, just noting the fact.

Your play reminds me a lot of scum-Maestro's in Fire Emblem. He came into the game and was really really angry that everyone was shitposting and advised in CAPS that people had to simmer down and -goodpost- because it was hard for him to catch up and town were stupid for not having a nice orderly thread. And this kind of passive-agressive argument from you to town is really pinging me.

You're not Maestro (hopefully) and the content of your pushes here is slightly different, but I don't get the town motivation for taking people to tasks on things that you're never going to have control over -- like whether Piper outs, like who uses their PRs for what, like whether there's too much noise on FS vs TPP -- if you're not using these arguments to single anyone's behaviour out as particularly scummy for it, nor use those arguments for anything that helps you determine alignment.

And that's the problem here and what makes you probably scum.

*shrug* This kind of thing is what I do. I bitch at people for being stupid, until someone is stupid to such a level that they must be scum, or everyone else is so not stupid they must be town. What you're suspicious of is a subset of the same reason why people who scumread me do so(at least, until they gain some experience with my play).

Anyways, the basic reasoning and thoughts make sense, when you get that impression from my posts, i can understand why you believe it's scum motivated, but I'm still not scum.



I mean, you can talk to the half of the game here that has played with me, and among them, those who are scumreading me, are doing so because of my complete lack of involvement in the game, not because of the sort of content there is in my posts. At least, not for the sort of content you are accusing me of having in my posts. Because they expect that sort of content from me.

At least, that's the impression I've got from them. I could be wrong.

Oh, and nope, I'm not Maestro, I'm just me. Never an alt, always original.

@Dram: omg. you're fucking interacting properly.

[True Ogre]

I have Axel, Podo, Piper as priorities right now.
I still think Dav is sketchy, but with the inno on him the only possibility is investigation immunity and my read on him is hardly strong enough to scream godfather at this point in time. Regardless one of him or Marquis is bound to get shot in a timely fashion so itll possibly resolve iteself.
Was I surprised at Skybird's scumflip, meh? I mean, it's a 20(?)p game, there has to be more than my scumreads that flip mafia and Sky was far from my concern. She wasn't screaming town for sure, but she didn't grab my attention with her scumplay like the others.
Piper did bus Sky, clearly. Why I can't say, cuz I don't think that lynch was irrevocable and their voice does sway a lot of players around here so they could probably have swung the worshippers elsewhere. Mystery for the ages~
Is Piper SK, I very very VERY much doubt that. Unless you think they latched onto a perceived crumb knowing it was obviously wrong just to troll around. It seems like a really poor stall if so.

And I think that covers that? Did I miss something?

Okay thanks. Well I'm not seeing the bus as strongly as you I guess. The only thing that jumped out at me the other day in a combined ISO (and if you want me to cite references I'm going to need to go back and double-check) was that Skybird sheeped Piper onto two consecutive votes, and it was the second sheep where Piper developed a scumread on her. So idunno. It's a huge distancing effort to end up in a lynch on their buddy. Not impossible but I think unlikely.

As far as the SK thing goes, there was a post earlier today where Piper said "There's no SK". And now with their outing it's clear that this statement had no real grounding aside from their own crumbhunting. I guess I'll have more of a think about that.

Agreed on Marquis/dave/TWL.

[True Ogre]

I am NOT seeing the analogy 0_o

The content seems busy but is useless, doesn't result in him sticking his neck out on scumreads but makes it look like he's pro-town.

[Dwlee99]

nah, he's just an idiot.
Moving along, that's a pretty bad lynch list you've got TO. 4 town 1 scum?

Yeah thanks, I know how AND gates work.

I think Seniors is more likely to be town than Cerberus if only one is scum, but I think there's a decent chance they're both scum.
I think the only way they're both town is if Piper is scum, and that's not the jumpoff I want to make today.
Axel I haven't liked much of any of the pushes he's made, and am waiting for him to shit townbricks if he's town. Failing that, he's probably scum.

You're on a timer for me. So few posts and so rarely connecting the dots with reason. And below*
Dwlee I think might have a chance to settle down but I need him to branch out onto other reads, because for the time being, he has 190871987 posts where he states his opinion and they all happen to be the same. So that's pure compromise.

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*But I think I'm a bit behind on your scumreads at this point in time.
You had Axel Podo dave
Then at some point you added Piper
And I guess at some point you removed dave, otherwise you'd be worried about Marquis
So now it's Axel podo Piper?
Were you surprised at Skybird's scumflip?
And Piper bussed Skybird?
That last question is really the crux.
Note: I'll also accept "Piper's the SK" because that's crossed my mind.

I found scum. Lynch them. I don't need to say who I'm town reading unless it is to stop their death.

[True Ogre]

@Dram: omg. you're fucking interacting properly. :D

ikr.
Anyway I have to head out soon. I'll take your points here on notice.

[True Ogre]

I found scum. Lynch them. I don't need to say who I'm town reading unless it is to stop their death.

Okay then. Is there anyone else who you think is also scum who might be lynched today?

[Dwlee99]

I found scum. Lynch them. I don't need to say who I'm town reading unless it is to stop their death.

Okay then. Is there anyone else who you think is also scum who might be lynched today?

nope, cause we're lynching tpp.

[dramonic]

:shrug:
it's a two-way street, ask real questions and I'll give real answers.

[itlepip]

Dwlee saying lynch tpp over and over again actually doesn't improve the chance tpp gets lynched but does lower the chance he gets NKed so good job!

[SirCakez]

Yeah man we were going to shoot TPP but not anymore thanks to Dwlee focusing the town on them, thanks Dwlee!

/s