A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Cerberus v666]

I'm fine with mirhawk as a compromise. I'm putting my foot down that I feel dirty. He's right. I was being opportunistic and survivalistic. I wanted to survive. It think I gave support to a wagon I didn't fully like. Look at my reads list. Mirhawk is top town. I needed my.little break to get a better picture

Hiplop, you realize your partner disagrees, yes?

That's why I gave in. I feel dirty about it.

Cleaning myself with this axel vote

hiplop self-awareness isn't a towntell for u, jsyk

Marquis, is there ANYTHIng I do tht you consider a towntell. It sure doesn't seem like it. How many times have you made this exact post bit replaced self awareness with something else

Sigh. You're probably scum.

Scum fake cop claim?

[Friendless Seniors]

marquis literally did it in my last game with him as scum

won the game off of it, too.

[Friendless Seniors]

I also did it in the LAST rob13 game

[Axelrod]

Everytime I see Hiplop with that "Best Town Performance" badge it's making me think of an old Star Trek Next Generation Episode where Data/Troi/O'Brien got possessed, and claimed they were possessed by the spirits of former Starfleet Officers. And someone asked Picard if he believed they really were Starfleet officers and Picard kind of ruefully smiled and said "Then they should be behaving very much better, don't you think?"

[Cerberus v666]

Sure, it's not unreasonable. X shot cop that's out of shots has a good explanation for living, blah blah, but...at this stage in the game? Like, what prompts one to make that claim under no pressure, at risk of the cc, right after losing a teammate? Is just having a team without a godfather good enough cause to think it'll be safe? Or mod meta? Or what?

It just doesn't seem like a good risk to me, and therefore one unlikely to be taken in these circumstances. I'd be interested to know how things differed in the games you mentioned, but I'm far too lazy to actually go read them.

[itlepip]

Claiming in lylo and like 5 days before lylo are not the same things at all whatsoever. If Marquis makes it to lylo yeah you always lynch him because with like 5 cop checks the game should be over. Actually the best play is to lynch the cop the day before lylo and then everything he says is confirmed the next day. No matter what Marquis is never on the table for the next 3 days at least and that increases every scum lynch.

Pedit: yay cerb!

[Cerberus v666]

Everytime I see Hiplop with that "Best Town Performance" badge it's making me think of an old Star Trek Next Generation Episode where Data/Troi/O'Brien got possessed, and claimed they were possessed by the spirits of former Starfleet Officers. And someone asked Picard if he believed they really were Starfleet officers and Picard kind of ruefully smiled and said "Then they should be behaving very much better, don't you think?"

I hear this year's best town was actually a team effort but I feel like best town is probably a carry more often than not, by someone who ends up winning paragon too. :p

Just saying the award is nice, but means less than the individual awards.

[Friendless Seniors]

yeah the reads list seemed a little forced.

although, most reads lists do.

how do you not have a read on cerb?

okay maybe i wasn't clear enough on this (but honestly, I think it was pretty clear) but I was scumreading cerb, and then I decided to reset that read because I realized I wasn't really parsing his replies to what I was saying to him.

-ep

[dramonic]

Didn't Plot win paragon or something? <_<

unvote
vote: Axel

[SirCakez]

just feels opportunistic

staying on mirhawk myself

cakez move back please

also nah cakez is townier and never hedged on him before. that seems more blatant, and axel wasn't in danger of lynch when cakez moved over

I can move back later for deadline but I really want to get somewhere on Axel.

[Friendless Seniors]

Spoiler: 31-end of D1

I want to know, from anyone who's played with Nacho before- what's his scumgame like?
I find it odd that some of plot's posts are really making me think scum but Nacho's are kind of reversing that read.

I'm finding it hard to understand why cakez is being townread early game by, like, everyone.
I also will say- I'm glad that TPP is really engaging me with a good amount of common sense. At least there's that.

Mirhawk says "skybird's acting really weird" in 910, vote is on dave, just a thought
A Mirhawk scumflip means cerb is more town.

Okay, so cakez might be town based on some of the later D1 stuff.
Axel being town based on later D1 stuff is coherent with Mirhawk being scum, I guess?

Reading Seniors' ISO has been like gargling liquid PCP and just falling short of swallowing the whole mouthful.

I think I said this already, but someone remind me to sig this after the game.

I want to say the worst vote on the dramonic wagon is probably podo.

Mirhawk does go to skybird, which kind of seems like to me Mirhawk's been lowkey scumreading skybird but has had higher priorities? And that seems like it could easily come from town.

I want tictac dead
I'm also feeling less comfortable with podo being town.

I wonder how many times beeboy voted us while he was in this game.
Noting that podo and cakez both call ranger fantastic, I'm noting this so I can compare to their behavior towards ranger when a lynch is imminent.

I got an interesting reason to think that one of cakez or cerb is definitely town, but I don't really know how good that reason is. It's probably not very good, when I think about it.

Oh, I forgot to write down 974 from skybird. Makes me think cakez might be the one who is not the definitely town in those two, but still could be town. shruggggg

I guess cakez was consistent with ranger and podo kind of had some progression to think the other way but stuck with town anyway? So nothing much from that line of analysis.

You should really choose your hydra partners more wisely you know!

can I also sig this

myehhhhh every post tictac makes I think they need to go

now i'm thinking that it's safe to say that both cakez and cerb should not get lynched anytime soon
ooh, a mirhawk tictac scumteam? I think it's possible.

Reading the earlier game makes me kind of question my scumreads of TPP and axel, which is cohesive with scum mirhawk but ehhhhh i don't really feel comfortable with those associatives

myeehhhhh!!! podo is town again for end of D1
Also that ranger vote, I geuss I can see where thats coming from
Same with cakez

TPP: Conflicted. I think I want to wait for a flip, maybe
CAKEZ: I will meta this dude if I find sorting him to be super relevant <-- this still applies, except I'm thinking more town here.
AXEL: Axel might be town here, a mirhawk scum flip would make me more confident in this read.
MIRHAWK: Still pretty scummy but I'm not seeing why skybird associatives make him scummy.
DRAMONIC: Not a lot here but I don't see the scum argument. <--- still this
DWLEE: Sakura was null. <--- yep
FLUBBER: Tictac needs to dieee
CERB: Cerb might actually be town
MALA: town
ITLEPIP: beeboy is town.
TO: Town
DAVESAZ: Nothing convinces me he's town except for the marq check.
PODO: I was thinkin might be scum for a while, but now I'm thinking more town

So... this is kind of a huge problem? I have varying degrees of reasoning to think that almost everyone in this game is town other than mirhawk and flubber, and I guess dram.
The townreads that I'm pretty confident in are: beeboy, TO, podo, mala
And then dave and mala are obviously not getting lynched along with marquis, unless some drastic shit happens
I don't want to lynch either cerb or cakez until I think a bit more.
I could live with an axel/dramonic/dwlee death at this point.

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

by the way, is there something making flubber town right now? like a claim or a check or something? Becasue I have no idea how he's just being ignored

[Cerberus v666]

by the way, is there something making flubber town right now? like a claim or a check or something? Becasue I have no idea how he's just being ignored

TPP claimed flubbers is a JOAT neighborizer/BP/investigative. And they town read him for tictac decision to neighborizer his former IC. *shrug* t makes sense for those who think TPP is town and has good judgement to not scumread the slot. Other than that, no reason I can see to think he's town.

[Cerberus v666]

I'm really interested in the idea that there's some sort of connection between cakez and myself that means one of us must be town.Please elaborate.

[dramonic]

That readlist

[The Pied Piper]

Piper crumbed Matilda which is current.

Spoiler: confirming this is correct

The less you have to sell, the harder you sell it!
The less you have to say, the louder you yell it!
The dumber the act, the bigger the confession!
The less you have to show, the larger you dress it!

[Rob14]

His musical doesn't match the town musicals we've seen so far.
If scum want to fakeclaim they're going to need to do better than claiming their actual flavour.

Mod:

when you host a theme game, do you typically provide flavor fake claims?

I can't answer this, but you're welcome to look at my past games where role PMs were released.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #3.11:

Mirhawk:

Marquis, Cerberus v666, itlepip, davesaz, pistachi0n, True Ogre (6)

Axelrod:

SirCakez, podoboq, Friendless Seniors, dramonic (4)

Friendless Seniors:

The Pied Piper, Flubbernugget (2)

The Pied Piper:

Mirhawk, Dwlee99 (2)

Dwlee99:

Malakittens (1)

SirCakez:

Axelrod (1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-05-08 10:15:00)

[pistachi0n]

Jokes aside why are you asking about Cakez?

I can't remember what your read on him is, are you scumreading him?

Yes, and I'm scumreading you, and I think it's suspicious that both of you are strongly scumreading each other but neither of you are voting for each other. Especially that Cakez isn't voting you when we have a good shot at lynching you.

[SirCakez]

just feels opportunistic

staying on mirhawk myself

cakez move back please

also nah cakez is townier and never hedged on him before. that seems more blatant, and axel wasn't in danger of lynch when cakez moved over

I can move back later for deadline but I really want to get somewhere on Axel.

[Mirhawk]

I'm sorry, you just said "urinetown"

are you trolling or is that legit

lol, yeah no joke.

[Mirhawk]

Axelrod - I've ignored Axel all game and don't really have much of on opinion on them. I find them townish, but otherwise I don't really have anything to say about them.

This is really bad
There's no way you just have Axel as "sorta townish, nothing else to say"

And yet I do.

I think in four hundred posts I've directed like one of them to Axel.

But if you want to peruse my posts to see if there's something that indicates I have more thoughts on him be my guest.

[pistachi0n]

SirCakez, deadline is in a little over a day, move back if you have any interest.

[Mirhawk]

I'm super tempted to vote Cakez for lol's.

However I would rate the odds of Cakez being lynched today as close to zero.

Piper isn't that likely either, but at least they're more likely then Cakez. I'm thinking... thirty percent.

It would be lower, but I'm expecting my totally awesome reads list to sway the fringe vote.

They're going to be all "Oh snap. Look how personable and genuine Mirhawk is, they must be town".

This is also really weak
He's not actually making an effort to put together a wagon on either TPP or me

Hey look, now that he caught flak for not doing anything with him scumread, he wants to be involved again.

Put your damn vote back on me Cakez. I swear to god if I read something from you tomorrow that sounds like you trying to say you had second thoughts about my flip I'll lose my shit.

[Mirhawk]

So what's the point of a flavour-cop?

I am of the opinion that there are a lot of weak power roles in this game. Your flavor cop may have just been some kind of reverse wig vendor. If you're using it that means you aren't doing something else.