A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[The Pied Piper]

The vig mindset that you're also describing is also incredibly rare on this site or else Bad Idea mafia games wouldn't unfold in the same way every time. This is not my first assumption in a majority of cases. You're right that the vig could be limited-shot, but I don't really think that this is incredibly likely. Us being convinced that Cakez is the vig explains where we were coming from when we crumbed to explain to him specifically but isn't relevant to anything else unless you really want me to outline why I think that Cakez is the vig, which wouldn't be the most anti-town thing that I've done this game.

[The Pied Piper]

I was going to go fuck all y'all and not give a full reads list, as I'm moderately annoyed with several players in this game, but I'm in a better mood today and that's kinda childish so I'll throw one together.

What's the point of saying this? "I wasn't going to do the thing but I decided to do it anyway--lucky you!!"

If he's coming from the perspective that I'm coming from, being transparent about your emotions instead of trying to be polite and proper is surprisingly refreshing. Why do you think he would say this if he was scum?

[Friendless Seniors]

can we PLEASE lynch axel OR piper.

Pick one.

[Cerberus v666]

I was actually getting suspicious of you, and waiting for you to use your series of responses to his reads list as an excuse to vote him.(this was regarding the Mirhawk townread question, I got ninjaed a bunch so this is our of context now)

Pedit: ah, I suppose there is a weak townread implicit in what you quoted to pip.

And no, I'm saying why do you think a vig with a failed shot wouldn't consider all the options, and instead you assumed they'd act as though they knew the shot failed because the target was scum? I don't get how you get to the situation where you feel you have to soft tictacs innocence to the person you think is the vig, on the strength of a possible failed shot on him.

And no, there's no reason to say anymore about why you believe he's the vig, I just have trouble imagining what else you could point to, beyond what plot quoted.

[The Pied Piper]

can we PLEASE lynch axel OR piper.

Pick one.

Me or you. We're not doing this shit tomorrow.

[The Pied Piper]

And no, I'm saying why do you think a vig with a failed shot wouldn't consider all the options, and instead you assumed they'd act as though they knew the shot failed because the target was scum? I don't get how you get to the situation where you feel you have to soft tictacs innocence to the person you think is the vig, on the strength of a possible failed shot on him.

Cakez is an impulsive person with a preexisting scumread on the person he shot. Certain people have a tendency to get biased pretty easily and things like "failed to kill when vigged" can be the straw that break the camel's back.

[The Pied Piper]

can we PLEASE lynch axel OR piper.

Pick one.

Me or you. We're not doing this shit tomorrow.

Oh, and if you want to lynch me? Push me. Stop waffling around, stop complaining, stop trying to get out of this because you're the one who created this shitshow and continuously fueled it, prodded it along, and once it looked like killing us was going to be harder than it seemed at first you backed out and ran away. Stand your fucking ground or die.

[Friendless Seniors]

^ Not a protown mindset in any universe

[Friendless Seniors]

I WANT TO LYNCH SCUM

YOU WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A PETTY FEUD.

IM FUCKING BATMAN. YOU'RE NOT MY JOKER, YOU DONT COMPLETE ME

[The Pied Piper]

Nope. Why is it scum?

[Friendless Seniors]

All your eggs are in a the looney egg baskets.

Mine are more expansive, I have substantial reads. You are trying to make this look like a 1v1, guess what, its not? This game has far more variables than you being scum

[Friendless Seniors]

All your eggs are in a the looney egg baskets.

Mine are more expansive, I have substantial reads. You are trying to make this look like a 1v1, guess what, its not? This game has far more variables than you being scum

[Cerberus v666]

And no, I'm saying why do you think a vig with a failed shot wouldn't consider all the options, and instead you assumed they'd act as though they knew the shot failed because the target was scum? I don't get how you get to the situation where you feel you have to soft tictacs innocence to the person you think is the vig, on the strength of a possible failed shot on him.

Cakez is an impulsive person with a preexisting scumread on the person he shot. Certain people have a tendency to get biased pretty easily and things like "failed to kill when vigged" can be the straw that break the camel's back.

Got it. So it's the particular person you expected to react that way, not anyone. It doesn't really match up with my experience with Cakez, but I can at least understand it.

TPP, FS, neither of you are getting lynched today.

I am quite willing to vote axel. Nacho, what's your read there?

[The Pied Piper]

I WANT TO LYNCH SCUM

YOU WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A PETTY FEUD.

IM FUCKING BATMAN. YOU'RE NOT MY JOKER, YOU DONT COMPLETE ME

You want to lynch scum. If I'm scum and you don't lynch me today, I kill someone that has the potential to lynch me tomorrow and then I'm harder to lynch the next day. If you think I'm scum and you want to lynch me, you lynch me right here and right now.

I'm not trying to turn this into a petty feud, I'm sick of this bullshit way that you've been pushing me, I think that you're scum, I'm not going to continue to put up with it.

[The Pied Piper]

Mine are more expansive, I have substantial reads

Like what?

[The Pied Piper]

I am quite willing to vote axel. Nacho, what's your read there?

I think he's scummy because he doesn't do shit. I'm not going to compromise from FS because he doesn't do shit unless you can either convince me that FS is town or you can convince me that Axel is scummier than FS.

[The Pied Piper]

Because this "oh look Nacho's pissed off! I'm BATMAN! You're not even the Joker!" and "you're trying to make this a 1v1! you're trying to make this a petty fight! you don't have reads but I DO" is not how FS behaves when their top scumread is digging their heels in and trying to make it a 1v1 with all the bravado that he's been showing; he's been bitching for pages and pages on how hard I am to lynch but when he actually has the opportunity, he backs off. Do you really think that's coming from town, Cerb?

[Friendless Seniors]

I've been calling axel scum just as long as I've beenc alling you scum, honey.

[Friendless Seniors]

THE 1V1 ISNT HAPPENING.

WE HAVEN'T GOT THE SUPPORT EITHER WAY

SMARTEN UP AND BUS YOUR PARTNER

[Friendless Seniors]

look at my reads list nacho

[Cerberus v666]

I am quite willing to vote axel. Nacho, what's your read there?

I think he's scummy because he doesn't do shit. I'm not going to compromise from FS because he doesn't do shit unless you can either convince me that FS is town or you can convince me that Axel is scummier than FS.

That sounds like work. :/

I can't convince you of either of those things. I just know FS has said things which make me feel they are town, and Axel never has.



Pedit: there's no opportuity to lynch you here. He knows we're on a short deadline, and that TO, at least, is townreading you. Without his support, and knowing that I'm actively here and going to oppose your lynch, it's extremely unlikely to happen.

[The Pied Piper]

fuck me I just realized that FS and mir are confirmed the same alignment. Mir still needs to answer the question but yeah...

hmmm?

vote the pipers plz they make enough noise you dont need to

I CANT DO IT, I CANT DO IT
THATS NOT ME
I'M A LOSER, IM A COWARD
IM A CHICKEN DONT YOU SEEEEEEEEE

piper is scum. its pre obvious

piper isn't going to die because theyre a wallposter and lazy posters see that as a town thing.

sigh.

I am currently both Plotinus and Nacho; come talk to me. I remember in the future that hiplop says something like he didn't like Plot's clumsy wagon handling but that doesn't exactly seem like a scum tell to me (and especially not like a Plotinus-specific one); did you have a different reason for being uncomfortable with Plot? What did you think of their reads?

It is. they are playing very akin to butterfly mafia. And I expect yall to be going after someone...better than skybird? who is like consistently mislynched in games? It seems very planned, which is the defining quality of plotscum. Someone else said this is nachscum sooo.... their ways of interacting with me just seem way off!

other one is for ep, idk

Dwlee slot = town

Cerb slot moves down. He seems to be hella trying to take advantage of Dwlee here. I'm sorry. Fucking cerbs case is "ranger thought it"? Bullshit. This isn't town cerb.

Let's Lynch Piper.

Pip, axel etc, the important thing here is that your case seems to be based on skubird not playing well. Honestly, your points are irrelevant to alignment. Town fucks up too.

Vote actual scummy person Piper, please? Not just mislynch bait.

Dwlee is 100% right. People forget scumreada all the time. Shit happens. Cerb knows that, and him pushing this angle is ridiculous. Same with Nacho (IMO top 10 scumhujters on site), Plotinus (spectacular)

These people pushing a case this bad is just plain scummy.

Why are you presuming that Mir is town here?

Thoughts on Piper now.

This is a terrible vote. As itlepip said, burden of proficiency. Your problem with the slot is that they haven't provided "penetrating analysis". Seriously?

cerb you're going OUT OF YOUR WAY to discredit the plotcase.

Look at how she is interacting with dram, that isn't town trying to show their side, its a strawman. A discredit. A chest pound.

It has LOTS more to do than just meta, axel. This is a slot with like 2029382838 words in their posts that have said like...2 things of actual content. This is a slot changing their reads based on convenience (Scumreads all day yesterday...now hard townreads me to no tomorrow? Same with people like skybird. Her read progression is illogical, fake, planned.

Plot is very good at recreating meta; but the important thing is that, she actively tries to recreate it. Shes gotten caught doing that poorly.

ew wtf. how are you townreading TICTAC?

are you kidding me? Being unsure, okay I agree, I can see that. Tictac as...town? ludicrous. You don't understand the actual tone of this game which is why you're scum.

plot that sentence you dissected makes perfect sense. Sorry, it does.

I said you replicate town meta as scum and methodically create situations where reads can make sense

your reads feels fake and replicated

ergo, scum.

very different than what you're saying

your unstoppable townread on pipers for no reason is honestly SO frustrating

SO VOTE TPP CERB

only one with an actual case besides "u playbad"

pied piper drooling for a lynch

no one sees them as scum...STILL?!

so disappointed.

VOTE: Pied pipers

Obvious reasons. their weird handling of the skybird wagon, overall scummy play.

Tictac okay too

i'm quoting all of your mentions of us and all of your mentions of axel starting from the most recent page of your ISO.
do you want me to go further or do you want to admit right here that your little "I scumread you both the same!" argument is complete and total bullshit?

[The Pied Piper]

dear.

[The Pied Piper]

THE 1V1 ISNT HAPPENING.

WE HAVEN'T GOT THE SUPPORT EITHER WAY

SMARTEN UP AND BUS YOUR PARTNER

I don't mind staying here and talking people about their reads on you because I have a feeling that the big fight that I'll have to face today is convincing people to actually read your posts and I have a feeling that won't be too difficult at all. I've also heard the "you don't have the support" line before, plenty of times, but if you don't fight then you won't drown and I don't think you have the fight because even if you pour ALLL of this effort into lynching me today and somehow succeed, you won't be able to escape tomorrow.

[The Pied Piper]

I can't convince you of either of those things.

You could if you put some work into it. Can't convince anyone if shit if all you can say is "they feel town!".