New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Nosferatu]

ego

[SirCakez]

projectmatt replaces ConvergentConclusion! Please welcome him.

Seeking a replacement for Robert2424, who failed to pick up his role PM.

[Killthestory]

i honestly don't understand egg.

like telling you I'm town apparently has to mean I'm town rite?

[Nosferatu]

I'm harder to read than... well something hard to read.

No, you aren't. You know you aren't so stop puffing out your chest like Big Bad Leroy Brown.

You know who is though? RC.

Pedit: And how often you draw scum?

I have a wiki

You draw scum 20% of the time.

All the more likely you are scum.

Whatever, theoretical != practical probability. Some people are lucky, others arent.

Besides, the probabilities are weighted.

Cuz there is a higher chance of rolling town then scum, duh!

But, next topic.

Out of 65 games, you've been scum 18 times: 27.6%.

In 9p, yes, its 22% chance of scum.
In 13p, its 23%.

Your score, 27.6% is quite a bit on the high end. So, yes, experimentally, you are more often scum than normal.

Normal --> 23% chance of scum. You: 28% chance of scum. 28 > 23 by 5 points.

ITT: We learn that Ircher failed Stats

[Nosferatu]

not buying titus' copper stuff btw

but I do
VOTE: Copper

[Egg]

i honestly don't understand egg.

like telling you I'm town apparently has to mean I'm town rite?

Not even close. It's the way you danced around it twice.

[projectmatt]

Sup.

Titus and Icher are town.

I'm going to ignore the arguments that have already taken place and vote for the actual mafia.

Vote: TehBrawlGuy

[Egg]

I'll bite.

Why?

[Titus]

I could go there but my read there would be conditioned on Copper scum most likely. (Could be WK but meh)

Why do you think TBG is scum?

[copper223]

@Titus

You realize how Copper has displayed actual inconsistencies and people are pushing awkard things you are saying because they don't like math. Get real.

my connection timed out at the airport (we only get 2hrs to play around here in europe apparently) so you are getting the reaction delayed but:

a) I do not RVS based on scum/town leans, do you?

b) I do not usually move my vote until RVS ends anyway although that's not relevant here.

Your inconsistency is created by the way you frame the context, incorrectly or maliciously.

@Egg
He seemed happy to see me and counter attacked when reaction tested by shotty, in the newbie he was hesitant about his reads and just let me lead them around, but again since I haven't play with him for a while this is not so relevant.

I did get a town lean on Ircher based on 35 though.

I don't know if I should praise your snap read or get paranoid about it, for now you can be my friend together with TBG.

@Ircher
Are you reaction testing me?

@Dr
This won't help me but I've never been lynched as scum (or town, I did get vig shot by acryon once though), other than in the game that should have won mafia team award last year where I did it on purpose as an art piece (lynch the cop, lynch the first doctor, counter claim the second doctor and last PR while my teammates buss me and get him lynch, then self hammer, then win the game the next day when my teammates where "confirmed town").

[projectmatt]

The whole statistics discussion is stupid and doesn't read natural. Feels like a poor attempt at distancing to me, as does Ircher's "go vote shotty". VOTE: Ircher

Copper case has no real merit imo. Copper had no reason to unvote/vote anyone else, but also no reason to actually believe Ircher was more likely to be scum than anyone else at the time.

Primarily because in this post, he is setting himself up to vote for both Shotty/Ircher as opposed to taking one side. It looks like he's trying really hard to agree with both players at the same time.

Also, I want to see him under pressure.

[copper223]

He did take a hard stance on me though, but I like your point.

[projectmatt]

I could go there but my read there would be conditioned on Copper scum most likely.?

Is there anything else that points to Copper being scum to you other than the inconsistency you pointed out near the beginning? I don't exactly townread Copper, but I don't buy your reasoning as a solid reason to vote for him.

[Titus]

@Copper - So you think we're in RVS is an excuse to keep a vote on a town read/lean?

Do you still think we're in RVS despite the length of your wall?

@PM, I see your case. We could be arguing over which scum to lynch. I thought the Copper defense was really early given no votes on Copper.

[Titus]

I could go there but my read there would be conditioned on Copper scum most likely.?

Is there anything else that points to Copper being scum to you other than the inconsistency you pointed out near the beginning? I don't exactly townread Copper, but I don't buy your reasoning as a solid reason to vote for him.

I am interacting w Copper but as of now, his trajectory is crap.

[projectmatt]

Fair enough. I'm keeping my eye on Copper but I'm not really inclined to cast my vote on him yet.

[copper223]

@Copper - So you think we're in RVS is an excuse to keep a vote on a town read/lean?

In general I think RVS is an opportunity to try and get a read on someone that can be easily read, on someone you know well, or on someone that you want to priority sort, there are other ways to use it but the above is my go-to.

Let's not start with this defense bullshit please (again guilty of badly framing the context Titus), I am explaining my thought process to you because I don't really know where you are coming from.

[copper223]

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Titus]

@PM, You do your own thing. I will do mine. There's more than one scum.

@Copper, Why Nos? Do you think we are in RVS? If not, when did we leave?

[copper223]

Why are you asking rhetorical questions? RVS ended once you said you had a case on me.

I voted Nosferatu cause correcting Ircher on statistics is something that a townie looking for scum is less likely to do.

[SethYazura]

VOTE: Cooper
RVS is fair and just, because we will laugh hard if you flip scum.

[TehBrawlGuy]

The whole statistics discussion is stupid and doesn't read natural. Feels like a poor attempt at distancing to me, as does Ircher's "go vote shotty". VOTE: Ircher

Copper case has no real merit imo. Copper had no reason to unvote/vote anyone else, but also no reason to actually believe Ircher was more likely to be scum than anyone else at the time.

Primarily because in this post, he is setting himself up to vote for both Shotty/Ircher as opposed to taking one side. It looks like he's trying really hard to agree with both players at the same time.

Also, I want to see him under pressure.

I don't think setting myself up to be on both matters much when nobody's on Shotty. If I was setting myself up to vote Ircher/Copper, sure, but only one of the two is a viable wagon rn. Also, not sure how you see it as agreeing with both players when I call their entire discussion stupid.

Ircher vote over Shotty vote was because Ircherwagon was already in motion. After his recent posts, I'm more sure on him anyway. His tone and complaints about "pick on Ircher day" don't sit well with me, but my biggest thing is this:

Ok, all 6 of you who are voting me:

Make me a detailed case not only pointing out what is scummy but also explaining in detail why its scummy. What Egg has done is not by any means close to what I'm asking for.

Pedit: Except, general chit-chat and answering questions isnt scummy. Thats a fact.

Why the hell would any townie want to be bogged down with 6 cases to defend against, rather than scumhunting? The part about chit-chat and answering questions is also there to make cases on him weaker and easier to defeat. Chit-chat that seems forced or questions that have been answered poorly are fine signs of Scum. If you're actually Town, and thus can justify anything you've done with Town motivation, why does that need to be there?

[copper223]

VOTE: Cooper
RVS is fair and just, because we will laugh hard if you flip scum.

My my, AtE for the rest of town to quick lynch me and possibly an attempt to tilt me in the same sentence? How evil.

If you are scum you will also laugh hard no? I can see why that would be funny.

@PM
TGB is town (or very good at faking it which can't really be figured out on d1).

[copper223]

@TGB
I can be persuaded on Ircher, but I do find that "0.5% chance of shotty being town" the kind of statement that the blissfully uninformed are more likely to come up with.

[SethYazura]

If I am scum that would be a serious problem, accidentaly lynching your own teammates or the sk, effectively reducing the kills per night in a large game will lead to your demise