New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Aneninen]

I start catching-up soon, although I doubt I'll be up-to-date today. Reasons will be revealed tomorrow.

If there anything I should be particularly aware of, point it out, please!

[Egg]

For projectmatt, my reads in order:

Town reads:
ETL
Zakk
Drmy
Projectmatt

Weak town:
Persivul
Titus
Thebrawl
Copper
Magna

Null:
heuristically_alone
Desmond
Anen
I am innocent
Nosferatu

Weak scum:
Lowell
Alban

Scum reads:
Cytheflyguy
Seth
Killthestory
Ircher

And you asked me about zakk. I just saw his scum game and if he deliberately changed his meta over the course of a week or two, he's done an amazing job of it. I think it's much more likely this is town zakk

[Aneninen]

VOTE: Ircher

why?

Questioning a naked RVS which is not even on you? Why?

VOTE: Ircher

why?

Its RVS.

Why are you already defending him?

That wasn't a defense.

Why are you already defending him?

VOTE: Ircher

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

And the cooper ircher buddying continues!
VOTE: ircher
I'm almost sure of this now.

It's Page1...

can you pls provide at least 4 reasons why ircher is town

ON PAGE 1???!

If you caught Ircher scum on page 1 I'll be happy to go next.

^^
Town.

HURT WITH A BLADE: Shotty

Well, I'm glad I did it first.

Why do I think both moves were fake? ^_^

Pedit: And how often you draw scum?

Bad question. Gamblers' Fallacy, you know.

You are pretty crappy then.

I'm crappy for being good at being scum?

Whut?

Whatever, theoretical != practical probability. Some people are lucky, others arent.

Whut? What do you call lucky? Drawing town or drawing scum?

Your score, 27.6% is quite a bit on the high end. So, yes, experimentally, you are more often scum than normal.

NoNOnoNOnoNO, stop that, Ircher!
According to this logic, you must think I'm scum because I was so in both games we met in. ^_^

Only 5/21 players have posted so far and we're already on page 3, almost page 4...

Unvote

I'll be back when there's something worth reading...

Why announce this? This seems off.

Actually he was right.
By catching up I thought the same. So far those "noisies" can go either way. Townreading Copper, see above.

[SethYazura]

@Seth
If you are hard claiming SK we can use you as a vig and give you brownie points when we win, how about it?

Unfortunately I am not hard claiming SK.

I have read nothing and everything at the same time. Ircher seems most scum atm so I'll go with him for now

VOTE: Ircher

Can you please elaborate on this? You have only made 2 posts so far and you are sheeping, why can't you tell us a good reason that Ircher seems most scum?
VOTE: cytheflyguy
I will retract my vote if you give me a sufficient explaination

Scum reads:
Seth

Why do you think I am scum? What are your problems with me so far?

[projectmatt]

@Egg, thank you. Would you please tell me why you have a light-scumread on Lowell, and a light townread on Titus?

[Killthestory]

I'm gonna go kms this game is giving me a migraine

[Aneninen]

If you caught Ircher scum on page 1 I'll be happy to go next.

VOTE: Cooper

No, Titus.
Or at least, I can tell this: I often use the same logic as town.

Cooper RVSes Ircher.
If Cooper thinks Ircher is scum, why would cooper be ok with being lynched for being correct? If cooper thinks Ircher is town, why is Cooper still voting him?

Okay, I might be biased because of my own gameplay, but I often keep my RVS despite my reads for a while, before I find a real scumread.

Well at least RVS is over

Didn't you post it before that most of the players hadn't posted anything at all?
Therefore,
Announcing that is bad and you should feel bad.

Egg's 103 <--- Townpost, based upon on recent direct meta.

Killthestory, then why didn't you answer directly? And why didn't you say you were town the first time you brought it up? How often would you say you lie as scum?

Ircher, "1" is correct and obviously wasn't my point. And I disagree with your "2" or I wouldn't be voting you.

this is honestly one of the stupidest posts ive ever seen

Not worse than most things happening on early-Day-1.
Btw, townvibes; because of posts like this. (A kind of "I'm town and I can't trust anything or anyone" game-start.)

Defending yourself is stupid. It's something I found out a long time ago. Find the

actual scum

focus the fuck on them. That's why when someone accuses me of tunnelling the first thing I ask my suspect is who the hell is actually scum. Talk about that. Which do you think are scum diverting from Copper?

I seriously doubt Titus would be coaching Ircher in such a blatant way. It's more likely that she wanted to remove some noise. And it's very likely that they're not scums together.

THATS THE STUPIDEST THING IVE EVER HEARD HOW CAN ME TELLING YOU IM TOWN SWAY YOU IN ANY WAY AT ALL
AT ALL
WHAT

Is it something personal between you and Egg? If not, I don't get it.

not buying titus' copper stuff btw

but I do
VOTE: Copper

You took the effort to make a quote-wall out of Irchers' with a conclusion of "null". Then you posted a sheep-vote for Copper.

The whole statistics discussion is stupid and doesn't read natural. Feels like a poor attempt at distancing to me, as does Ircher's "go vote shotty". VOTE: Ircher
Copper case has no real merit imo. Copper had no reason to unvote/vote anyone else, but also no reason to actually believe Ircher was more likely to be scum than anyone else at the time.

Primarily because in this post, he is setting himself up to vote for both Shotty/Ircher as opposed to taking one side. It looks like he's trying really hard to agree with both players at the same time.
Also, I want to see him under pressure.

He may be right. I should pay attention to TehBrawlGuy on the forthcoming pages. (I found his 171, which was "reactive".)

I am interacting w Copper but as of now, his trajectory is crap.

Show me that trajectory.

VOTE: Nosferatu

???

If I am scum that would be a serious problem, accidentaly lynching your own teammates

or the sk

, effectively reducing the kills per night in a large game will lead to your demise

Where DID that highlighted part come from???!

UNVOTE: Copper223
Don't take it seriously Copper, I'm not like those idiots that chase at you with ropes for hanging just because you're Copper.
This is getting too stupid, why can't we just get along, the adventure haven't started yet and we are already quarreling and sending death threats just because, all that preparations for nothing.

Whut?!

For real though, explain 174, because I actually can't parse that into anything I understand.

Copper said I will laugh hard as scum if I flip scum in my lynch, which is a contradiction,

since lynching sk as a mafia goon

early in this game is serious trouble as there will be less kills per night, giving the Town more time to correctly lynch the mafia.

???!!!!!!!!!

Also quick thoughts,

Scum team: Titus, Ircher, Copper
3rd party: Zakk

That makes very little sense. Those players are very unlikely scums together. And yet again, where are those posts about having a third party from?!

________

8 pages so far and I don't think I'll have time for more today.
Thoughts right now.

Could be town:
Titus (something I can't put my finger on is there in her posts which is there when she's town)
Egg (mostly recent direct meta)
Killthestory (see above)
Copper (although his 167 is not good)

Could be scum:
Ircher (those statistics + his townplay I know was very different)
Zakk (too much early noise and 85)
Shotty (too much early noise and I don't know whether it's relevant or not but that 185 bothers me)
Seth (basically everything so far)

No real opinion on the others yet.

[Killthestory]

i have nothing against egg, but i simply cannot understand why hes scumreading me for saying that im obviously going to pick the right choice, which is town. asking me my alignment is so fucking dumb

[SethYazura]

It's not wrong to assume there is an sk in a large game, saying there is an sk in a large game does not make me scum. If there isn't one then this game is heavily in favor of us.

[copper223]

@Aneninen
In regards to Nosferatu:

You took the effort to make a quote-wall out of Irchers' with a conclusion of "null". Then you posted a sheep-vote for Copper.

In regards to me voting Nosferatu:

???

Explain.

[copper223]

It's not wrong to assume there is an sk in a large game, saying there is an sk in a large game does not make me scum. If there isn't one then this game is heavily in favor of us.

It is an oddly specific assumption to make.

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.5

The Pyramids in Egypt!

cytheflyguy (4) - zakk, Titus, projectmatt, SethYazura
Ircher (3) - TehBrawlGuy, Egg, cytheflyguy
MagnaOfIllusion (3) - heuristically_alone, Persivul, Lowell
Copper223 (2) - Killthestory, Nosferatu
drmyshottyiszik (2) - EspeciallyTheLies, Ircher
SethYazura (1) - copper223
TehBrawlGuy (1) - MagnaOfIllusion
Killthestory (1) - I Am Innocent
Titus (1) - drmyshottyiszik

Not voting (3) - alban, Aneninen, Desmond_13

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until May 23.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

how is cy the top wagon with only 2 posts?

[Titus]

Read his two posts.

[zakk]

how is cy the top wagon with only 2 posts?

have you read the posts?

[zakk]

Dammit Titus !!

[drmyshottyizsik]

I dont see how cy is scummy, just lazy?

[Titus]

*hmmph* How do you get lazy from that Shotty?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I got to page 11 and I got busy lol. I'll try to finish everything in a bit

I have read nothing and everything at the same time. Ircher seems most scum atm so I'll go with him for now

VOTE: Ircher

I dunno what this is. I think votes on him are lazier than these posts though.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

zakk looks like scum too tbh

[EspeciallyTheLies]

tbg is scum. lotta words with zero actual content. he never explains why he thinks what he thinks beyond "it didn't sit right with me".

VOTE: tbg

[Titus]

@anen, so you'd deliberately have your vote on a townread?

[Desmond_13]

I am here. Wow.. 16 pages is a lot to catch up on. Give me some time.

[Egg]

Seth, see post 315. I didn't like your RVS vote on a wagon with momentum on Page 7. If Copper flips scum, as I acknowledged, this would be null. I also pointed out your reaction to being voted and something you said that sounded like you expect everyone else to scumhunt for you.

Projectmatt, my concerns with Lowell are still the same as I said in post 316. I can usually follow his thought process better than most people and a lot of the time even agree with his reads. Here, it's just different. Specifically, I don't know where he's coming from on Titus, Persivul, Thebrawl, and Seth. I asked him to go into more detail, but he hasn't posted yet since I asked. And as for my weak town read on Titus, see post 144 where I said I believe that she believes in her case. That seems like town Titus, assuming there isn't a second scum team she's hunting. The way she's going after drmy about ETL reads as town Titus too even though the whole arguement seems a bit ridiculous to me.

Anen, I'm curious what meta point you think you have on me. My 103 is null at best. It's just me catching up. I hope you're not scum just looking for a reason for an easy town read on me. You've seen me play well as scum so you not being paranoid of me has me worried that your town read might not be genuine. Although I think you did it last game too and I didn't question it because you were already obvtown when I replaced in. So maybe I'm overthinking it. Also, on drmy and zakk, is early noise really a scumtell?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I got to page 11 and I got busy lol. I'll try to finish everything in a bit

I have read nothing and everything at the same time. Ircher seems most scum atm so I'll go with him for now

VOTE: Ircher

I dunno what this is. I think votes on him are lazier than these posts though.

agreed

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