Mini 1793: Freedom's Call (uPick Anything): Finale

[Ircher]

Well for a start...this is more in line with beeboy's scumplay. It's a little bit of a small sample size thanks to the quicklynch, but the content matches more with scum than town.

Suzune also isn't putting that much in.

Plus, White Light had five votes at the peak of their wagon, three which're conftown (Anti, UT, Postie), one who is my townread (Gammagooey), and a fifth in The Limit Does Not Exist.

Then, Titus drives the Postie lynch through. Demonic Angel, Yume, you, Titus, then The Limit Does Not Exist (with a UT hammer).

Seems pretty likely White Light's scum after that.

While I can agree with a lot of these points, I just don't think its enough to lynch on. I'd be more with a Demonic lynch; their iso looks bad. Yume is also on my radar being completely useless.

[Demonic Angel]

Intended to out this yesterday: We're an informed townie. At least one member of the Intellectuals Neighborhood is scum.

[Ircher]

Intended to out this yesterday: We're an informed townie. At least one member of the Intellectuals Neighborhood is scum.

Wel, there's 4 of us:

Anti, me, Arabella, and Yume.

[WhiteLight]

Suzune also isn't putting that much in.

I joined the game at the earliest possible moment I could. I feel like I contribute quite a bit to this team, so I would appreciate if you did not act as though I was invisible.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Titus probably saw that the Postie wagon was incredibly likely and as a result of them being a "counter wagon" to us we would be an easy lynch to follow up on. Considering the position we were in yesterday do you really think Titus would essentially kill herself by driving a counter wagon on a buddy that would probably be lynched in the following day phase? We aren't a counter wagon we are being setup. (The limit does not exist case incoming)
I was also incredibly apethetic yesterday because Antihero has lynched me before as a claimed Gunsmith day 1 so I just was going to assume he would be incredibly stubborn again.

~Bee

[Ranger]

Anti, me, Arabella, and Yume.

Mkay.

VOTE: Ircher.

You will also paraphrase everything said in that neighborhood.

[Gammagooey]

So, someone remind of the White case; I didnt see it.

Titus tends to defend her scumpartners really hard, you can take a look at the end of Titus's iso in team mafia to see her defending 4nxiety like crazy (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=61169)

Aside from that I just think the sort of 'proper' posting white is doing is more likely to be scum than town in a vacuum - personality matters a lot for things like that but scum tend to put more effort into making sure everything they're doing is 'correct' and harder to argue with and call out than town will.

@ranger- for the most part i think saying a wagon on scum because the people voting them look town is balls. there are plenty of situations where a town wagon will be driven primarily by other town players, especially in situations like yesterday when there were several people who didn't do much throughout the day and the wagons moved fairly quickly.

also, townreading me for being right about postie is pretty meh too. i tend to try to mimic a lot of what I think i'd be thinking about specific players as town whenever I play as scum and I think a lot of other players do as well. like usually i'm just pretty obvtown by sometime d2 because i'm pretty obviously pushing on things I believe in REAL HARD and trying to lynch scum and I haven't really done that yet this game.

@white- why do you think you would have been lynched today and why would titus assume that?

[WhiteLight]

So the Limit slot I thought would be incredibly easy to town read.
Lilith has an incredibly unconventional way of thinking and tends to point out unique things from a town mindset.
Something_Smart the last time I saw him play as town was trying to interact with people every moment he could so he could get his reads.

When you add these 2 players together what do you get? Certainly hydra we are seeing this game. This reminds me a lot of one of the hydras I had where we rolled scum and where both so paranoid of screwing up for the other player we just never really posted at all.

I also want to assume that Titus isn't the only scum on the Postie wagon considering how fast it went and I am willing to bet they were trying to setup a hammer.

Ranger I am down to lynch Ircher if you want but if you put any effort into following pokemon mafia after you died or remember SS' scum play from Fire and Ice mafia you would see how off this slot is this game.

~Bee

VOTE: Limit

[WhiteLight]

So the Limit slot I thought would be incredibly easy to town read.
Lilith has an incredibly unconventional way of thinking and tends to point out unique things from a town mindset.
Something_Smart the last time I saw him play as town was trying to interact with people every moment he could so he could get his reads.

When you add these 2 players together what do you get? Certainly hydra we are seeing this game. This reminds me a lot of one of the hydras I had where we rolled scum and where both so paranoid of screwing up for the other player we just never really posted at all.

I also want to assume that Titus isn't the only scum on the Postie wagon considering how fast it went and I am willing to bet they were trying to setup a hammer.

Ranger I am down to lynch Ircher if you want but if you put any effort into following pokemon mafia after you died or remember SS' scum play from Fire and Ice mafia you would see how off this slot is this game.

~Bee

VOTE: Limit

[WhiteLight]

@white- why do you think you would have been lynched today and why would titus assume that?

Antihero was obv town and is an incredibly stubborn player that definitely would have kept pushing us. We where also at L-2 with 0 people opposed to our lynch.

~Bee

[Demonic Angel]

I'm seeing Ircher and WL as scum

Glad to see Gamma is town

Vote: Ircher

going with this first due to our information.

Ranger I am down to lynch Ircher if you want but if you put any effort into following pokemon mafia after you died or remember SS' scum play from Fire and Ice mafia you would see how off this slot is this game.

Gamma read this as "I am down to lynch my scumbuddy but first lets mislynch some townies"

I've liked Limit's play so far for town.

[WhiteLight]

I've liked Limit's play so far for town.

Clearly you have never played with either head.

I also like the idea of lynching outside the neighborhood since it forces the scum to kill outside of it to give them more mislynch options.

[Ranger]

also, townreading me for being right about postie is pretty meh too.

I did say weak.

Ranger I am down to lynch Ircher if you want but if you put any effort into following pokemon mafia after you died or remember SS' scum play from Fire and Ice mafia you would see how off this slot is this game.

Quite aware. I think lynching within the neighborhood is better.

I also like the idea of lynching outside the neighborhood since it forces the scum to kill outside of it to give them more mislynch options.

Keep in mind we have a cop.
Potentially even a cop within the neighborhood, I wouldn't know.
Between a single lynch, scum maybe needing to kill within the neighborhood to hit the cop, and a cop investigation which has a chance of already having been in the neighborhood, and we've got a guaranteed scum by tomorrow.

Ergo, lynch within the neighborhood.

[Yume]

Well, by process of elimination, either Ircher or Arabella is scum. Antihero flipped town and I am town as well. Therefore, I think it's prudent to add some pressure.

VOTE: Ircher

[Arabella]

Hi,

I missed the first day bc I lost our hydra password. RC prolly can't confirm this for me, but he knows. I had caught up and had discussed in the neighbourhood: the hammer came while I was posting.

Neighbourhood stuff: anti was townreading me for my confusion over the flip (yume/ircher can confirm). Anti's read ut as town, which we were in agreement with. Ircher and Yume shared a lot less, with anti being suspiscious of some of yume's questions, which looked role-fishy, which made yume not wanna engage in the neighbourhood. Irhcer's posts were mainly setup spec. I could see either being scum, tbh. Anti scum-read WL (although this was wavering a little), were town reading limit (which....meeeeeeh I'm kinda not) and would've bet Demonic angels was scum.

Oh, and as scum now know, we're hated.

-b

[Postie]

That's what happens when you pick a fight with approximately six hundred fucking otters.

Titus is super anti-bus so I'm pretty sure the reason her push on us felt so obviously like contrived bullshit was because it was an attempt to derail the wagon off her partner.

VOTE: WhiteLight

This dies today.

Oh yeah, and I'm Tyler the irate Congo Clawless Otter. I'm abrasive and swear a lot (new post restriction). Apparently this town wasn't a fan of otters that are happy all the time, so now you get

me

.

[Postie]

Wel, there's 4 of us:

Anti, me, Arabella, and Yume.

Last scum is in Arabella/Ircher then. Arabella/Ircher was also my prediction for last scum whilst I was rereading at the start of night 1, so that's reassuring. We got this shit. GG.

[Arabella]

Hi Postie,

Why us other yume? We didn't engage much last day phase, so do you wanna chat to me while I'm around?

[Postie]

It's hard to explain but 133 and 138 ping me as super town.

[Postie]

Oh shit I forgot my post restriction already.

[Gammagooey]

@White - why do you think anti was obvtown? he was townier than most d1 but I didn't see anything in particular that he couldn't fake as scum, his read details on you is probably the towniest thing he did imo and I don't think you would see that the same way I did.

@Demonic- i don't want to lynch Ircher over White for something White's doing. I wouldn't be shocked if Ircher was scum with White, but White looks way way worse, and I can really easily see White noticing that Ircher is town reading him without much substance behind it and trying to use it to grab a lynch on town for his last scumbuddy once he's gone. Also, this is much dumber, but a WhiteLight/Ircher team is reeeeally easy and I'd be pretty surprised if they both started half-assed defending each other as scum when one's very likely to be lynched soon and there's this many mislynches left.

also also

Arabella has no content; Yume's content doesn't give me a read.

We really cannot afford this kind of play anymore. In order to assess the game, everyone is going to need to have a voice and speak up.

~Suz

^ is REALLY bad. starting to call everyone's play bad and saying that everyone needs to be playing better while they're being scumread is EXACTLY what scum will try when they don't think they can get away with pushing on people they think look town but still need a way to try to discredit people scum reading them.

[Ircher]

Ok, so Angel is also town cuz their role is confirmed when a scum flips.

That leaves {Gamma, Ircher, Whitelight, Ranger, Yume, Arabella, Limit).

Put of those, I feel Limit --> Yume --> Arabella are scum, in that order.

[WhiteLight]

^ is REALLY bad. starting to call everyone's play bad and saying that everyone needs to be playing better while they're being scumread is EXACTLY what scum will try when they don't think they can get away with pushing on people they think look town but still need a way to try to discredit people scum reading them.

I would personally like to hear more from Yume. It is something I am interesting at looking into. I think you need to watch your excitement there, I did not call anyone's play bad. Just that the two people without in game opinions and voices I would like to hear more from going into today.

As far as anti goes, his playstyle looked at angles and searches out points that made sense. I felt very townie to me. They were also resolute in their opinion and chased it hard which is not a scum quality for day one.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

That leaves {Gamma, Ircher, Whitelight, Ranger, Yume, Arabella, Limit).

Put of those, I feel Limit --> Yume --> Arabella are scum, in that order.

Four scum seems like a lot of people Ircher. Are you suggesting you know something?

[WhiteLight]

That was also Suz