New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[EspeciallyTheLies]

like, its my opinion. i don't feel his two posts are alignment indicative, thus making the wagon on him dumb in my eyes. the very fact of my own alignment makes your assessment incorrect, point of fact. but what i'm saying is that no just because i see the same dumbass things happen time and time again doesn't mean i suddenly understand why people do dumbass things.

[Nosferatu]

So, I know that I haven't had much of a presence, but did we not see seth literally claim mafia goon?

For real though, explain 174, because I actually can't parse that into anything I understand.

Copper said I will laugh hard as scum if I flip scum in my lynch, which is a contradiction, since lynching sk

as a mafia goon

early in this game is serious trouble as there will be less kills per night, giving the Town more time to correctly lynch the mafia.

upon being asked to explain "If I am scum that would be a serious problem, accidentaly lynching your own teammates or the sk, effectively reducing the kills per night in a large game will lead to your demise" he literally said he was a goon without being prompted as to his role whatsoever. Does anyone disagree with my reasoning here?

[Egg]

ETL and Titus, you should both be able to see that neither of your reads on cythefly is necessarily scummy. We all know Titus sees meaning in EVERYTHING and her seeing scum intent in cythefly's posting isn't scummy or even necessarily wrong. ETL's arguement that he hasn't said enough to warrant a read isn't necessarily a rare stance either. I tend to agree more with Titus here, but that doesn't in any way make ETL scum.

Ircher, that was the first post where I mentioned you, yes. Then we went back and forth and I gave some more points and you shrugged it off as "nope, not good enough".

[Ircher]

Well, can you reiterate them pls.

[Egg]

Well, there's the one you quoted.

There's the way you answered drmy's question about you even though it was clearly meant for copper

There's your misrep of drmy's comments about his 80% scum win rate.

There's your stressed out reaction to the wagon as well as demanding six cases to defend against instead of scumthunting. Then when you get those cases (or at least mine) you dismiss it as bullshit and go on to act like a case was never made.

There's the way you went out of your way to mention you'd only been scum twice after you implied that drmy draws scum a lot and that makes him somehow more likely to be scum.

There's the way you tried to attack me for focusing on the player I'm voting (seriously, what?)

There's your "Seth is SK" push (which I forgot about so maybe an Ircher/Seth team doesn't make as much sense as I'd thought) and the fact that you voted himfor it rather than anyone you thought was mafia.

Your point that drmy was scum for confirmation bias was pretty bad.

You OMGUS pretty badly

Your ISO thing looks like busywork.

I think that's all the points I've brought up so far. Probably would have more if I ISO'd you.

[Ircher]

1) Fair, but I wouldn't say AI
2) Not a misrep. Stubborn, yes, but not misrepping, as what was stated was factual even if analysis was wrong
3) I did not dismiss it, I did not see anyone really bring up new reasons.
4) The statistics was silly but not scummy. The other I have done similarly in previous ones of my latest games.
5) Cuz I didn't feel your reasons were being fair (and currently still don't)
6) SK push? That's a misrep. Yes, I commented and voted, but not really a push imo. Otherwise, this is a fairly valid point.
7) It's the way he (and you) are being nitpickey about stuff.
8) That's your opinion and rather weak when you can't support the busywork comment

I'll stop pushing this angle cuz we're getting no where, but all save 1 to 3 points are valid and strong enough to be considered in such a strong scumread. The rest seems to be the result of confirmation bias.

[TehBrawlGuy]

tbh i agree with all of egg's points

[EspeciallyTheLies]

So, I know that I haven't had much of a presence, but did we not see seth literally claim mafia goon?

For real though, explain 174, because I actually can't parse that into anything I understand.

Copper said I will laugh hard as scum if I flip scum in my lynch, which is a contradiction, since lynching sk

as a mafia goon

early in this game is serious trouble as there will be less kills per night, giving the Town more time to correctly lynch the mafia.

upon being asked to explain "If I am scum that would be a serious problem, accidentaly lynching your own teammates or the sk, effectively reducing the kills per night in a large game will lead to your demise" he literally said he was a goon without being prompted as to his role whatsoever. Does anyone disagree with my reasoning here?

......

Is this a real thing... where did copper say that..?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Also, Egg - I don't particularly find the peacemaker routine a town-thing generally.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

@Seth
I see, no I meant that as mafia you would be happy to see

my flip

so it would be doubly funny if town bought your argument that copper should be lynched for being an arrogant prick, cause you get one up over me

and

over town.

This said your statement still doesn't make sense because you can't be an SK and a mafia goon at the same time.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

fuckin A man... i just read Seth's ISO and it just sounds like newbiespeak but it really also sounds like newbiescumslippingspeak too.

all of you are scum i swear to god

[EspeciallyTheLies]

VOTE: ircher

[Lowell]

Don't replace me. Unexpectedly without internet until tuesday.

[Egg]

Also, Egg - I don't particularly find the peacemaker routine a town-thing generally.

Don't care. Just making my points.

Ircher, I see you responded but I don't have time. Will respond back tomorrow.

[Egg]

Also, I just played Killer Instinct mafia where we got wrecked after I was NK'd because the towniest players in the game couldn't get along.

[Titus]

Also, Egg - I don't particularly find the peacemaker routine a town-thing generally.

I agree with this. Egg's playing peacemaker is making it difficult to shore up reads.

I also don't like Egg agreeing with me a lot but then saying that a townread on me cannot be trusted. Egg is appealing to everyone but Ircher here.

[Aneninen]

I get the part where you say me against the world is a town-tell but which posts do you find indicative of scumhunting for killthestory?

96 – it's a valid reason for a vote that early. Something stood out for him, I guess.
109, 114, 117. – That's what I called "sheer paranoia".
131 – In my mind it sounded: "I f-cking don't care, even if I got lynched town shall win". That's an attitude I follow as town many times.
Okay, 134 is indeed WTF, you know I'm checking his ISO now.
371 – As far as I remember, I already had a dislike on Zakk too at that time.
382 – He answered my question quickly.

I know there might be other players I could find just as many reasons for townreading them, but I also know that the more pages I need to catch up the more things I miss. And at least I

did

find something. Get it?

As for Seth: not only the fact that he's not scumhunting.

At this point Copper is moving back to my town list and here's the reason, why. He's one of the players who's relatively a "hot topic" – yet he's one of those who engaged me right after I started producing real content. According to my experience scums tend to avoid opening "new interaction fronts" if there's already some pressure on them.

[projectmatt]

fuckin A man... i just read Seth's ISO and it just sounds like newbiespeak but it really also sounds like newbiescumslippingspeak too.

all of you are scum i swear to god

Would you care to point me to a few specific posts? I get a strong newbie town vibe from him, but not any scum vibe.

I'm going to figure out my reads tomorrow, because I've let myself become incredibly disorganized and unsure of my own thoughts.

Unvote

[Expedience]

Pray tell where am I trying to "push it so hard"?

I was asked about that read by Magma and I explained where it came from

once

.

You're technically right, whatever, this isn't important anyway.

[Aneninen]

On an unrelated note, I was concerned with the way ETL and Titus fell into an easy early alliance. Good to see that breaking up.

What if they are both town, wouldn't that be bad?

If

.
I too found that post from Persivul disturbing.
But...

No. You don't need a buddy to scum hunt. You can vote the same as another player while still being cautious of them.

That's okay for now. Recently I learnt a lot about town-Persivul and this matches the mindset I know.

Only scum would do this. This is so fake and lazy.

Your vote is just as lazy.

You're shutting up because you want some other player not to copy you? What are you, FOUR?
This looks like an excuse to lurk tbh

Whut?
Calling Titus a lurker?

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

I am just going to be on the biggest of TBG Copper and Shotty. I like all three wagons. Normally that doesn't happen.

I dislike this a lot. Reads as Scum who wants to avoid spearheading one particular lynch to me. The townie version of this post is like "I'll support XXX, YYY, and ZZZ wagons. I think YYY wagon is the best right now though".

Are you hoping that a Titus-wagon will suddenly gain momentum?

I think she was showing a bit of anxiety at whatever he was saying because she may feel it links back to her and she sees him heading for a lynch. If they don't have daytalk, she can't coach him in the PT, she has to find a way to make him shut up in-game. She's not conspicuously "sticking her neck out" to save him, but based on her voting patterns thus far and her arguments against those voting for him, it definitely leads me to think she wants to prevent his lynch.

Also... Titus tends to protect her buddies as long as she can without giving herself away, not bus them. I've seen it time and time again, it's an innate urge for her, as much as she tries to subvert it, I still see glimpses of it, especially early in the game when no one is particularly looking.

IF there's no DayTalk.

Mod

, is there DayTalk for scum team(s)?

[Expedience]

Titus I suspect you and Ircher are both scum together, and of the two, you are the more dangerous. I'm happy to vote Ircher as well if it comes to that - he certainly seems like someone you've been trying to keep alive.

ircher's newbietown AF imo.

First of all, what changed your read.

Do you actually think Titus would coach her partner in broad daylight, and why can it not be that Titus is scum and Ircher is town?

I also really don't like the way 464 sounds.

[Expedience]

Ircher's list posts are just null, don't vote him for that. He did the same thing in the game I played with him, they were equally if not more useless and irrelevant (he made a case on confirmed scum lol).

[Expedience]

Expedience, 442. Can you explain your Shotty, Lowell and KillTheStory reads?

Shotty seems very town to me, like his posts are completely unfiltered. Especially in RVS he seemed genuine.

269 mostly.

Killthestory is such scum, holy shit. I actually thought about this and I want to vote him over copper. Copper is still scum but some of his posts make me slightly uneasy.

VOTE: Killthestory

96 / 98 show that he's lying about not having read his role card, although that's not necessarily alignment indicative. It does show that the careless attitude could be being faked, and I strongly believe it is.

It's easy to take someone who plays like this, posts without capital letters, at surface level and read them as town.

Drmy, what were you referncing with your first post?

Vote Ircher

For posts 11 and 12. I've never liked it when people stress that votes on them are RVS. And the post before it feels nervous about being voted while trying not to convey that.

Copper, which of Ircher's posts on Page 1 gave you the "sure of himself" vibe?

Ircher's OMGUS crusade against drmy is pretty bad.

I lost brain cells reading the probability discussion on Page 3.

I've got at least some level of a town read on drmy, copper, zakk, and Magna (in that order). That's as of the end of Page 3. Will say so if that changes.

Killthestory, you said you know your alignment now. What is it?

Acknowledging that an Ircher wagon exists. I'm gonna keep my vote there.

dont be dumb. any person with half a brain would say town. stupid fucking filler question

This post is absolutely filthy, I absolutely cannot see town saying this.

The implication is that "any

scum

with half a brain would say town". Any town would say town, with or without a brain. This might seem trivial and nitpicky, but just try to read the post again and see if it sounds right. It doesn't, at all.

The response of anger towards Egg is something which I interpret as a fake attempt to channel emotion into the game, trying to look town by just yelling at something. He keeps repeating the same argument "wtf egg what does it matter how i answer the question its null????" despite Egg's attempts at an explanation (probably exists), because he is scum.

[Expedience]

Spoiler:

@Titus
So far, Ive liked your thought process plus Ive been lazy & not been doing isos.

I'm shutting up. You're standing on your own two feet.

This is scum trying to write off their read as "j-just rvs".

Like, you went into quite a lot of detail about how it made him scum earlier. I have a hard time believing it was not a serious push.

Are you scum yourself or did you just decide to tunnel me this game? Cause I never said nor implied that my read on Nos was RVS or not serious in any way and I'd like to see what made you think that's what I said.

What I did say is that with the amount of data available any read you give me at this point in the game I can show to be complete crap by changing the assumptions (and there will be quite a few) on which it is built, my read on Nos relied on IIOA being a scumtell for her when she posted what she posted.

In other news I am liking Titus less and less, Mollie told me she is a tunneler so going off on me didn't raise any serious bells, but dropping me like a stone while still keeping a scumread

and

openly discussing her town meta about being a tunneler feels unnatural for the former and makes me wonder how calculated her initial tunnel was for the latter.

I am a tunneller. You're still scum. I'll openly discuss who I am any day this week and twice on Sunday. Nice try there though scum.

This response feels fabricated

Ircher, kindly shut the fuck up. The more your case gets talked about, the more credence it appears to have although it's total garbage RVS. You know it. I know it. If you actually did the slightest thing scummy, I'd be all over it. You just haven't.

You realize how Copper has displayed

actual inconsistencies

and people are pushing awkard things you are saying because they don't like math. Get real.

Ok, Cythe, was gonna give benefit of the doubt, but your last posts changed my mind.

VOTE: Cythe

How come every time I change my vote, you follow me? I don't wanna be a double voter? Stahp it.

@Titus
So far, Ive liked your thought process plus Ive been lazy & not been doing isos.

I'm shutting up. You're standing on your own two feet.

This reeks of coaching. I take it scum don't have daytalk, eh?

VOTE: Titus

Sorry, friend. You gots ta go.

I like this post.

Highly doubt it says anything about ircher, but it is a real big tell on Titus

Also didn't like how fast she abandoned copper (who she calls scum, to his face) to jump on my cytheflyguy wagon

And now I have more meta on Titus

This is like the direct opposite of what I think.

Also I think zakk is slight scum (not from what I am saying here, before) and Egg is town, I changed my mind from the read list.

[Expedience]

Spoiler: NY 195 - D1 Cythefly ISO MAY 22

1. 323 - At page 11, and says will finish up -

You are to page 11 and have zero thoughts? Seriously? Lazy and scum-motivated. -

-3 Points

2. 366 - 4 hours later; "I have read nothing and everything at the same time. Ircher seems most scum atm so I'll go with him for now" -

This is just plain awful! At least everyone else gave AT LEAST ONE reason (even if not good imo) to vote me. Also, how do you read everything & nothing at the same time? If you're town, stop being super lazy. If you are scum, stop being lazy. That was like the most lazy, scum-motivated thing you could at the time. -

-5 Points

3. 422 - Another post; literally says that this is his first macro game and so he'll just be a potato and watch the votes. Also, the AtE of lynch me, I'll be useful later -

Why not be useful right now. Like, explain your read on me (and the rest of the game) rather than just prod-dodge and take a super lazy, inactive role. This is also scum-motivated. -

-5 Points

4. 425 -

This is as bad as the previous ones..... Ugh...... -

-4 Points

Zero town motivation in those posts and like 95% scum motivation to make such posts.

Total Score: -17 points
Average Score: -4.25 (17 / 4)
Final Score: -5.25 (In range of -6 to 6; includes bias score of -1)

Pedit: Doing absolutely nothing & making "Ill help tomorrow" posts is scum-motivated cuz scum dont want to scumhunt cuz they cant.

lol

Actually I don't fucking know. Just abstain on zakk / ETL for now.