New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Killthestory]

checking to see whos townreading me

[Ircher]

I havent isod you Kill, but I'd prob. lean town rn.

[zakk]

the TBG wagon is stupid because TBG seems very town. i like that he townreads me and agrees with me, and though that's confirmation bias on my part, it's clearly correct to me. and therefore, i have no small amount of disdain for the wagon.

i highly doubt he'd suck up to me for no reason.

[zakk]

checking to see whos townreading me

my read on you is "less flatbread than previously"

[Titus]

the TBG wagon is stupid because TBG seems very town. i like that he townreads me and agrees with me, and though that's confirmation bias on my part, it's clearly correct to me. and therefore, i have no small amount of disdain for the wagon.

i highly doubt he'd suck up to me for no reason.

And if your reads are wrong?

Scum love sucking up to townies with the wrong reads or are in danger (the latter does not apply to you). I call the players sucked up to townbeards.

[zakk]

see who jumps on, see how cy acts, see how much steam it gets, see what happens

currently dissatisfied with that prospect, and pushing another direction

what are your thoughts about that?

I think you are jumpier than a jackrabbit on meth. I'd have to ISO you but I'd guess you've had your vote on at least 5 different people. Which is at this stage a big fat null.

Now once we get some alignment flips and I can parse how you jumped regarding Town and scum ... a different bag of donuts.

Hey since you missed it - have you ever been exposed to someone fake-daykilling before?

okay

and i have no idea. maybe.

why are you asking me useless questions? what do you hope to discover?

you demand i answer your questions but you neglect to answer mine

so answer those and here are some more.

why are you talking to me about how you are going to be able to read me later? does it look like i care? you should be happy that you'll have more to read, but it looks like you're trying to make me feel guilty for being a "jackrabbit on meth"

you think me pushing the ircher wagon even though he thought i was town is a null tell? really?
what did you learn from that, about him, and about me? anything?

what is your opinion on pursival? on titus? on ETL? what do you think about the relationships between them?

do you think copper or ircher is scum? if so, why? if not, why not?

[Killthestory]

very good, well whoevers townreading me, feel free to ask questions or content

[zakk]

the TBG wagon is stupid because TBG seems very town. i like that he townreads me and agrees with me, and though that's confirmation bias on my part, it's clearly correct to me. and therefore, i have no small amount of disdain for the wagon.

i highly doubt he'd suck up to me for no reason.

And if your reads are wrong?

Scum love sucking up to townies with the wrong reads or are in danger (the latter does not apply to you). I call the players sucked up to townbeards.

i'm fine if he's scum sucking up to me

i don't think he's scummy though, i agree with much of what he says, even whta's not about me. very much of it, actually.

[zakk]

killthestory, what do you think of ircher?

would you push an ETL wagon with me?

[Titus]

Zakk, what specifically do you agree with TBG on? Your last posts don't seem to indicate agreement with him, so I am confused.

[Killthestory]

killthestory, what do you think of ircher?

would you push an ETL wagon with me?

id totally push an ETL wagon

ircher is town in my b o o k o f g o d s

[zakk]

Zakk, what specifically do you agree with TBG on? Your last posts don't seem to indicate agreement with him, so I am confused.

i find myself nodding at all of his posts, so that means i agree with him

i'm not keeping track of whether or not i'm aligned with him on all issues but he makes sense and it seems real.

id totally push an ETL wagon

do it then.

[Killthestory]

VOTE: etl

[Titus]

Zakk, what specifically do you agree with TBG on? Your last posts don't seem to indicate agreement with him, so I am confused.

i find myself nodding at all of his posts, so that means i agree with him

i'm not keeping track of whether or not i'm aligned with him on all issues but he makes sense and it seems real.

id totally push an ETL wagon

do it then.

You find yourself nodding in agreement with him when he's taking stances directly opposed to what you state?

[Titus]

• drmyshottyizsik - scum. The fervor between him and titus reminds me very much of when I'm scum and want to hard distance a buddy on d1. He claims to have attacked copper, but he really never has, throwing a little bit at him in RVS and then listing him as a scum read. He talked about his incredible confidence in IrcherScum while his vote was on Titus, and he hasn't really done much other than spar with Titus and Ircher despite having 80+ posts.
  
  projectmatt - slight town. I like pretty much all of his points, and I think calling me out on what he did makes the most sense as Town; I don't see a scum motive for it.
  
  zakk - lean town. thought processes match my own and seem internally consistent
  
  Ircher - scum. Don't like his interactions with Shotty or Titus, don't like his 116, or his "remember when I flip town that Shotty and Egg were the two huge activists for the lynch." in 123 His ISO analysis is "trying to look Town by posting lots of things" imo.
  
  copper223
  Egg - town. lots of good insight, clear townie line of logic
  
  SethYazura - lean scum. awful content of nonsense poetry, doesn't really comment on anything important
  
  Killthestory slight town - gut read on tone
  
  cytheflyguy - Scum. I absolutely hate the initial votes on him. They're the most textbook easy unexplained votes I've seen in a while. I was thinking it was a Scum push on a soft target, but his recent posts are really bad for reasons previously stated, and now I'm thinking some of those initial votes were Scum overreactions to his bad entrance.
  
  Aneninen- lean town. thought processes match my own and seem internally consistent
  
  Titus - slight scum. I dislike his interactions with shotty/ircher as mentioned. Only a slight read, though, as his solo content is fine with the exception of 233
  
  EspeciallyTheLies - lean town. I don't recall what they are now, but he had some posts that I read town. I also read his tone town.

Last readwall from TBG.

ETL is town. You want to wagon ETL.
Ircher is scum. You don't like that wagon.
He said his thought processes match yours in this post, but that clearly isn't true now.
He has a scumread on me. You're hard townreading me.

So, where specifically are you agreeing with TBG lately?

Why ETL over TBG? I know ETL is a nonsensical poster, but I am much less certain on her bring scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: etl

I want to wait before switching to ETL if at all. As much as I would feel ETL's behavior is justified as scum, I am much more confident in TBG scum. Go back there please.

[Killthestory]

VOTE: etl

I want to wait before switching to ETL if at all. As much as I would feel ETL's behavior is justified as scum, I am much more confident in TBG scum. Go back there please.

k

VOTE: TBG

[Persivul]

Pers hard defends ETL, saying she could have been following me, despite both of us knowing that is likely bullshit.

Calling you out on a bad charge against ETL is not a defense of ETL. I'm suspicious of ETL as well. See 750 and 766. I haven't done more with it because she's been gone today, but you're here.

[Ircher]

I agree with Percival

[Titus]

Pers hard defends ETL, saying she could have been following me, despite both of us knowing that is likely bullshit.

Calling you out on a bad charge against ETL is not a defense of ETL. I'm suspicious of ETL as well. See 750 and 766. I haven't done more with it because she's been gone today, but you're here.

For someone who is suspicious of ETL, why did you interrupt my questioning of them?

[heuristically_alone]

I have read nothing and everything at the same time. Ircher seems most scum atm so I'll go with him for now

VOTE: Ircher

Your laziness has earned you scum points according to my scum points book

Read his two posts.

how is cy the top wagon with only 2 posts?

have you read the posts?

Both Titus and Zakk replied the same thing. I know this should be a null read, but I'm gut reading both Titus and Zakk as town for the moment.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cytheflyguy

and VOTE: cytheflyguy

1. you have your own reasons for voting him, but you try to make it funny too
2. you base your actual vote on the fact that titus and i agree about him
3. you forget you voted him, and vote him again? apparently you didn't really believe in your vote when you did it.

bonus: you made some comment to me about that you like being hard to read, which seemed jokey-scummy in sort of a "ha ha let's laugh at this together even though i'm giving the obvious scum answer ha ha ha look how funny everyone"

vote: heuristically_alone

the cy wagon has gotten stale of late, it's a bunch of me-toos, and a cy flip will tell us too little

the ircher wagon is the definition of a lazy wagon on probtown, buuuut it will tell us a lot based on flip, so i will abide it, HOWEVER

hey other people:

come join me on heur, we have cookies. this is the real juiciness of the day right hurr

Agree with this post/10.
Look at heur iso.

It's the definition of coasting. Most of his posts are one liners, and his only stated reads are on me (circa forever ago) and Cy, the easiest wagon in the game. It's a Large, and he has one current read, but he's here enough to answer a question directed at cy in 776 for some reason?

vote heur

I tend to only comment on things that jump out, and cy at that point was one of those things that jumped out. Also, this game started at an awkward time for me, so I haven't been able to be as invested as I'd normally like, but hopefully now I should be able to be more involved.

As for reads, I liked the motivation for your vote on me. I am now leaning more town on TBG. This doesn't feel completely like a scum trying to find another wagon to start, but rather a town that noticed some odd activity (and lack of total activity) from one player and wants to call it out to the town.

[heuristically_alone]

In post 659, SethYazura wrote:
You can easily single out newbies from an experienced and everyone can do it.
An experienced knows the concequences of posting in the same way as cytheflyguy, cy posted like that because he doesn't.

And. That. Is. Not. An. Alignment. Tell.

I've noticed that town are more likely to point out things that are not really alignment tells. Scum would want other player coming up with tells and voting others.

Town points for Aneninen

[heuristically_alone]

Heuristic Alone – Were he alone, this'd be the game with the least pages ever.

Haha, then maybe I'd finally win a game

[Ircher]

In post 659, SethYazura wrote:
You can easily single out newbies from an experienced and everyone can do it.
An experienced knows the concequences of posting in the same way as cytheflyguy, cy posted like that because he doesn't.

And. That. Is. Not. An. Alignment. Tell.

I've noticed that town are more likely to point out things that are not really alignment tells. Scum would want other player coming up with tells and voting others.

Town points for Aneninen

Dont be fooled by content. Anen really knows how to fluff like in Newbie 1682.

Anen can also let Anen get super lost like in Micro 600: Mechanics Upick

[heuristically_alone]

Lowell - Borrowed this from the readwallI started earlier.
heuristically_alone - Lean town. His 76 highlights a logical fallacy and he does this consistently throughout when he thinks he sees them. 400 is good posting as well. 401 Disagree that Shotty is town but I like the attempts to town clear based on play. This becomes much weaker if Shotty is scum though. 402 Slotting someone in as town because agreement = likely noob town.406 is where I have concerns. He's townreading ETL for agreeing yet Zakk and I should be null reads when we agree with him? What? Where'd his position suddenly change

HA, when you read this, I would like your reads until this point.

Conclusion: Lean town, with reservations

By tomorrow I'll have your read list hot and fresh out of the oven. If I see anything that jumps out in the next couple pages, I'll state it right away.

@Ircher point taken, though for now I'll stick with that town lean. I know that anything pro town a mafia could easily fabricate.