New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Nahdia]

page 30

SCUM
Copper, projectmatt, MagnaOfIllusion, Ircher

MIXED VIBES
Egg, zakk

IDK LOL
Killthestory

TOWN
TehBrawlGuy, Titus, Shotty, Lowell, cytheflyguy, Aneninen, Expedience, ETL, SethYazura

[Nahdia]

ok i made it to page 33 and now im lazy

VOTE: Ircher

[Persivul]

33 pages and I didn't make an impression...

[Nahdia]

who are you again?

[Nahdia]

ok i glanced over ur ISO u can be town

[zakk]

-quote snip-

Last readwall from TBG.

sure lets go over that, this should be interesting

ETL is town. You want to wagon ETL.

i don't really want to wagon ETL. i don't have either the conviction nor the weight to make anything useful happen there. i wanted to see what killthestory would say, and how he'd act with regards to follow up questioning, and i have not been impressed with his complete lack of conviction and complete unwillingness to play the game. that's scummy to me, but he kind of did the same thing in Mafia Z where he was town so maybe factor that in. personally, i have no read on him, and i don't foresee that changing much one way or the other, despite my efforts, so in all honesty, i wouldn't at all mind seeing him lynched in the first couple of days. with that said i think we can do better.

Ircher is scum. You don't like that wagon.

true. but i can see why he thinks that.

He said his thought processes match yours in this post, but that clearly isn't true now.

thought processes ≠ conclusions. i can see why he thinks what he thinks, and apparently that matches me. and apparently neither of us feel like it's faked on the other's part. there's something oddly self-reinforcing about it, which i'm keeping an eye on, but i don't think it's a big deal at the moment. it doesn't feel like weasely early-game rapport-building, it feels like genuine recognition.

He has a scumread on me. You're hard townreading me.

i am actually not hard townreading you. i am slightly scum reading you. but that is influenced by factors outside of your immediate control (i.e. i haven't seen you play much as town, and you've tricked the pants off me when you were scum before – you and toolenduso, that one game. ugh)

So, where specifically are you agreeing with TBG lately?

it's more of a good early feeling i got from him, and i felt really iffy at everyone who jumped on his wagon.

Why ETL over TBG? I know ETL is a nonsensical poster, but I am much less certain on her bring scum.

ETL isn't really nonsensical to me. i don't particularly like her posting though. she seems to be playing up the "look how scary and obstinate and bitchy i am/can be" angle quite a bit, kind of like she's faking the self-destructive social interaction patterns of sociopaths like fate and drmyshotty, where they realize people are reading them a certain way, and they can't stop being that way because on some level it's compulsive (you may have seen a bit of this from me in sac last weekend, when i was nailed as scum). it's just something you get used to doing, it's your comfort spot. but it's kind of easy to tell when it's exaggerated. but whether it's exaggerated due to her trying to appear town, or not appear scum, is the question.

let me know if that doesn't make sense.


so yes revisiting this:

zakk - lean town. thought processes match my own and seem internally consistent

our conclusions may have been more in line before, but i generally have a town read on him for the way he posts his posts, how i see him reaching his conclusions even if i don't agree with him, and i don't like his wagon, so that's 3 things.

[zakk]

Massive post coming tomorrow. I promise!

if this hasn't happened already: please don't.

[Persivul]

33 pages and I didn't make an impression...

who are you again?

Nice...

[copper223]

@Nahdia
What has Seth done between page 20 and page 33 to go from IDK LOL to top townread?

[Persivul]

Oh yuk zakk, I start town reading you for being your own person and you get all conciliatory with Titus.

[zakk]

Could see Copper as scum, tries not to combat anyone, instead chooses to want to gain their support and is running for towncred really hard. Buddies up a lot with TBG a lot too

Brawl defends Copper as well, very notable, pushes BOTH Ircher and Shotty when their whole argument thing read like TvT, not SvS. Reads Titus as scum, wrong, reads Cy as scum, got newbtown vibes from them, otherwise reads are pretty ass. Could see as scum, too

This sounds like something scum would say.

I can see that.

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ME SAYING I DONT CARE IF SETTING A TONE FOR MYSELF, A META, FOLLOWING IT, IT'S A GAME, OF COURSE I CARE, BUT I'M PLAYING THE WAY IM SUPPOSED TO WITH DECEPTION.

Projecting insecurity "but my meta is supposed to be unreadable!!" when ETL isn't even calling him scum.

ETL's insistence of arguing with me over the fundamentals of a game instead of just pushing my lynch indicates town mindset instead of scum

More WIFOM townreads,

titus is the only one announcing me as a townread so i have to blindly follow her to victory unless someone else townreads me

Pushing the joke too far, this wasn't even the original thing. Hiding behind what he thinks is his unreadability.

This feels town.

I think TehBrawlGuy is town, and I don't want him lynched.

I agree with this.

Expedience town points

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Magna, When I look for town, I look for unlikely to be scum. Townie behaviors can be faked. Having less scum motivation cannot. Sometimes, there's a rare flash that screams "this is town" but that's few and far between.

Agreed … I just have a hard time seeing lack of possible scum motivation in that Iso. Meh, not really worth debating I guess since Nos is way down the ladder on my suspects list as it stands now.

In a game in which we were both scum, she took pressure D1 and played poorly, just going after someone for suggesting a PL, and she got lynched.

I’ve also (sorta, she was in a Hydra) played with Titus as scum and she has not handled this game nearly like she did that game. The interaction with ETL have been charged enough that I feel comfortable with her as Town.

My point is people are saying the same scum on Ircher's wagon jump over to titus. I think it is much more likely that this is town jump from scum to another scum. If it were scum jumping around the wagons would have waited for town and pushed really hard. It's not that the wagons weren't fueled strongly, it's that enough of the town had other reads and scum wasn't going to start bussing yet.

I see this as perhaps an oversimplification of the realities of how a game this large plays – there is always a possibility under your circumstances Town never reads Ircher as scum and thus doesn’t show up. Also you gloss over the competing Ircher / Cy wagons. Here’s a quick refresher –

cytheflyguy (6) - zakk, Titus, projectmatt, SethYazura, heuristically_alone, Ircher
Ircher (5) - TehBrawlGuy, Egg, cytheflyguy, Persivul, drmyshottyiszik

Ircher (6) - TehBrawlGuy, Egg, cytheflyguy, Persivul, drmyshottyiszik, EspeciallyTheLies
cytheflyguy (5) - zakk, Titus, SethYazura, heuristically_alone, Ircher

For at least some period of the day both wagons got to more or less halfway home. Don’t you think if Ircher is scum as you think (which I disagree with) that a push would likely take place there?

[zakk]

Oh yuk zakk, I start town reading you for being your own person and you get all conciliatory with Titus.

nah. i'm just bored at work and in the mood to explain shit i think, because i'm having a better day than i have had in a while due to some hard RL shit being cleared up.

stay tuned for more sexiness.

[Nahdia]

@Nahdia
What has Seth done between page 20 and page 33 to go from IDK LOL to top townread?

there is no "top". within a category there is no particular order.

his defense of cytheflyguy is what gave him townpoints tho.

[copper223]

Why is him saying that cyto is a newbie that is getting scumread because of it (and hence town because only newbie town is superficially scummy, newbie scum somehow is not) townie?

[Nahdia]

because i said so.

[copper223]

-_-

[Nahdia]

also cytheflyguy was never really that scummy i was cringing super hard when everyone started wagoning him

[zakk]

actually, reading this again:

killthestory, -snip-
would you push an ETL wagon with me?

id totally push an ETL wagon

do it then.

VOTE: etl

I want to wait before switching to ETL if at all. As much as I would feel ETL's behavior is justified as scum, I am much more confident in TBG scum. Go back there please.

k

VOTE: TBG

this is pretty bad.

and why is titus buttering up killthestory, who clearly is playing the tantrum-y child?

this feels wrong.

what complicates it is that titus and etl are rocky relationally, and then add this in.

makes me feel like possible titus/ETL scum, and kts just a VI

[zakk]

also cytheflyguy was never really that scummy i was cringing super hard when everyone started wagoning him

who were you cringing at specifically?

for science.

[Nahdia]

also cytheflyguy was never really that scummy i was cringing super hard when everyone started wagoning him

who were you cringing at specifically?

for science.

the part where people voted him and said his posts were scummy

[zakk]

In post 659, SethYazura wrote:
You can easily single out newbies from an experienced and everyone can do it.
An experienced knows the concequences of posting in the same way as cytheflyguy, cy posted like that because he doesn't.

And. That. Is. Not. An. Alignment. Tell.

I've noticed that town are more likely to point out things that are not really alignment tells. Scum would want other player coming up with tells and voting others.

Town points for Aneninen

Dont be fooled by content. Anen really knows how to fluff like in Newbie 1682.

Anen can also let Anen get super lost like in Micro 600: Mechanics Upick

more towniness from ircher: this doesn't feel like a smear attempt, just a cautioning from people thinking the wrong thing, with useful examples. this is especially useful to people like me who haven't played with anen-scum before.

[zakk]

also cytheflyguy was never really that scummy i was cringing super hard when everyone started wagoning him

who were you cringing at specifically?

for science.

the part where people voted him and said his posts were scummy

not what,

who.

[zakk]

Make it for me? *bats eyelashes* Mine will be done in a few and we can post at the same time ish.

this post also feels really icky w.r.t. the Kts thing i mentioned a few posts ago.

anyone with meta on titus, is this normal behavior from her?

[Nahdia]

also cytheflyguy was never really that scummy i was cringing super hard when everyone started wagoning him

who were you cringing at specifically?

for science.

the part where people voted him and said his posts were scummy

not what,

who.

the people who voted him and said his posts were scummy